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Post by boothenesque on Aug 1, 2022 14:02:46 GMT
We never seem to be in the market for one. I suppose they seem to be out of fashion. Maybe sometimes going against the grain is the way to go, to be different. We've had some good uns in the past, Conroy, Maguire, Beagrie, Chamberlin, Rooster. Maybe it's not part of the modern game but they do fire the crowd up when they gat the ball. The closet we have I suppose is Tymon and nothing against Josh but he's nothing like those names. We had Etherington and Pennant, but unless I'm mistaken no one since. Actually no, we had Shotton
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 14:03:56 GMT
Super James McClean.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 1, 2022 14:04:06 GMT
Doughty?
Fucked him off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 14:05:15 GMT
Brown left wing, Campbell right wing, Gayle/Delap in the centre.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 1, 2022 14:05:44 GMT
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 1, 2022 14:21:39 GMT
We have Tymon, Clarke, Sparrow and Fox.
Yes ur right
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Post by Caddick988 on Aug 1, 2022 14:24:09 GMT
What I would do to have either Etherington/Pennant or Arni/Shaqiri or our wings now!
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Post by Ron on Aug 1, 2022 14:25:45 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 14:30:32 GMT
Brown left wing, Campbell right wing, Gayle/Delap in the centre. MON would have had to have had a Brain Fart if he picked that combination. |
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Post by a on Aug 1, 2022 14:34:24 GMT
Clarke from Spurs on loan, Sima, Matondo, JPB were all wingers of a sort. Just misused or ‘injured’ for much of their time, or in Sima’s case preferred to play in the U23s…
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 1, 2022 14:41:05 GMT
Didn't say he wasn't. I was merely responding to the thread wingers . |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 1, 2022 15:07:39 GMT
The role of the classic winger was to get round the outside of the fullback and whip a ball into the centre forward. The problem is it's relatively easy to defend against (just shepherd the player to the byeline) and it's a low reward tactic (you need to put in a lot of crosses before it comes off). The modern game is all about ball retention - play short passes to feet and keep the ball rather than play long which is more likely to result in a turnover in possession. Most teams at the top level now play with inside forwards and have fullbacks and wing backs to provide the width. A lot of teams no longer have wingers and in teams of formation and style we are following that trend.
The youngsters coming through from the top clubs aren't learning to be wingers so the market is restricted to the lower leagues and when players from lower leagues get picked up often as not they are being asked to play as wing backs. McCarron is a case in point - he started out as a winger and Carlisle and Bielsa converted him to a wing back and if he plays for us he'll be in for Tymon. Doughty was an old fashioned winger who we failed to convert into a wingback and as a result never really had a place in the team. Unless we bring on our own wingers it's getting increasingly difficult to find any are that are any good.
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2022 15:13:17 GMT
McCarron can play wing or wing back, looks like he wants to take players ion so perhaps more winger than wingback
DWP is a good right winger
but that's it
I liked JPB, wish he was here now
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 1, 2022 15:49:28 GMT
Yes it's really paying off for us not having wingers,what we have is wing backs that can't defend,and can't put decent crosses in at the top end,let's get back to what works for us, back four,two good defensive fullbacks,we have to sort out the back first to stand a chance,these new formations are all very well for the likes of Man City and Liverpool,they can buy the best players to suit their system, even in that league it's a two horse race before the season starts ,we never will be good enough to play three at the back end of,even with Soutter back ,we would be better yes,but he was part of the back three that drew 3-3 with Cardiff,a nd it was a shambles,we have not moved on from that performance, even with all the different personnel that has come and gone,and there's only one person to blame for that !!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 15:56:16 GMT
Brown left wing, Campbell right wing, Gayle/Delap in the centre. You've named 3 strikers. Edit - sorry 4! |
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 1, 2022 16:07:32 GMT
Brown left wing, Campbell right wing, Gayle/Delap in the centre. You've named 3 strikers. Edit - sorry 4! Campbell played alright for us on the right didn’t he if I’m remembering right anyway (when we used that system at least). Granted he’s not a true winger though. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 16:08:58 GMT
You've named 3 strikers. Edit - sorry 4! Campbell played alright for us on the right didn’t he if I’m remembering right anyway (when we used that system at least). Granted he’s not a true winger though. Yeah I think him and Brown are both best on the right  but neither are wingers. And I wouldn't want either on the left. |
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 1, 2022 16:15:20 GMT
Campbell played alright for us on the right didn’t he if I’m remembering right anyway (when we used that system at least). Granted he’s not a true winger though. Yeah I think him and Brown are both best on the right  but neither are wingers. And I wouldn't want either on the left. It's a shame this conversation is all in vain because that stubborn fucker isn't going to drop this wing back nonsense anytime soon. |
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Post by Goonie on Aug 1, 2022 16:16:02 GMT
Eeeee when I were a lad we had this Austrian fella who could bring down a ball at head height with the tips of his toes, control it and sail past his man and deliver a pinpoint cross to our own player to create a scoring opportunity
Eee them were the days.
Did I say lad? I meant 5 years ago!
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Post by Goonie on Aug 1, 2022 16:16:39 GMT
Yeah I think him and Brown are both best on the right but neither are wingers. And I wouldn't want either on the left. It's a shame this conversation is all in vain because that stubborn fucker isn't going to drop this wing back nonsense anytime soon. He will be hoist by his own petard! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 16:39:42 GMT
Is there a single team in the top two divisions who play with traditional wingers on both sides (genuine question)?
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 1, 2022 16:58:17 GMT
Suprised no body has mentioned Sir Stan or Harry Burrows.
Showing my age I suppose.🤪
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 1, 2022 17:22:16 GMT
Well one winger who is two footed would be a big help,they don't put players on the posts on corners because it's not the done thing,but how many of us have said when watching a game,a man on the post would have cleared that.... playing from the back risks giving a goal away, even by some good sides,I really think some of the things that have come into the game are ridiculous,and being a defender not looking at the ball coming in from a corner is a joke,and ball retention being more important than anything else is killing the game as an entertainment for a lot of fans.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 1, 2022 18:06:46 GMT
Is there a single team in the top two divisions who play with traditional wingers on both sides (genuine question)? Two traditional wingers goes hand in hand with 442. I can't think of any teams at the top level who play 442. The game has moved on. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 1, 2022 18:22:29 GMT
How many teams employ out and out wingers anymore? You need a target man to make it work. If that target man is good on the ball, you are golden. The vast majority of teams can't afford a good all-rounder. That means that the only route forward would be down the wing and over to the target man. To do anything else would require a second striker to help play in central positions (go for knockdowns etc). 4-4-2 is dormant.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 1, 2022 18:29:36 GMT
McCarron can play wing or wing back, looks like he wants to take players ion so perhaps more winger than wingback DWP is a good right winger but that's it I liked JPB, wish he was here now Very confusing or confused. McCarron looks like he wants to take players on so is more winger than WB. Surely if he didn’t want to take players on he’d be a pretty shit WB like Tommy Smith. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2022 18:32:39 GMT
Remember when the country, the world had wingers?
I'm sure I remember Peter coates saying ages ago his favourite players were wingers or something like that.
Not just stoke wingers but remember back in the last 20 years until now, the premier League wingers there have been.
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Post by samuel32 on Aug 1, 2022 18:44:18 GMT
Campbell and Brown could play there in a 4-5-1. Either do that or stick someone behind the front two with his wing backs. Have a go
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2022 18:59:42 GMT
Is there a single team in the top two divisions who play with traditional wingers on both sides (genuine question)? Two traditional wingers goes hand in hand with 442. I can't think of any teams at the top level who play 442. The game has moved on. You could play 451 or even false 9 and have wingers 442 will come back in again at some point and not Dyche style 442 either |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 1, 2022 19:06:09 GMT
Suprised no body has mentioned Sir Stan or Harry Burrows. Showing my age I suppose.🤪 Don Ratcliffe? |
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but neither are wingers. 
but neither are wingers. 
