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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 1, 2022 19:06:19 GMT
Campbell and Brown could play there in a 4-5-1. Either do that or stick someone behind the front two with his wing backs. Have a go They aren’t traditional wingers though are they? Neither is known for their crossing, which is what a traditional, hug-the-line winger needs more than anything else.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 1, 2022 19:15:28 GMT
Campbell played alright for us on the right didn’t he if I’m remembering right anyway (when we used that system at least). Granted he’s not a true winger though. Yeah I think him and Brown are both best on the right but neither are wingers. And I wouldn't want either on the left. It’s crying out for 433 Maybe dwp on left or new signing That’s when Campbell was at his best
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Post by jokker on Aug 1, 2022 19:21:32 GMT
We never seem to be in the market for one. I suppose they seem to be out of fashion. Maybe sometimes going against the grain is the way to go, to be different. We've had some good uns in the past, Conroy, Maguire, Beagrie, Chamberlin, Rooster. Maybe it's not part of the modern game but they do fire the crowd up when they gat the ball. The closet we have I suppose is Tymon and nothing against Josh but he's nothing like those names. We had Etherington and Pennant, but unless I'm mistaken no one since. Actually no, we had Shotton I wouldn't say that it's not part of the modern game any more. Just one example: Vinicius Jr. at current Champions League holder, Madrid. Although he can switch inside, his performances on the left wing was the greatest spectacle last season. There's many more examples in the modern game.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 2, 2022 9:05:16 GMT
Two traditional wingers goes hand in hand with 442. I can't think of any teams at the top level who play 442. The game has moved on. You could play 451 or even false 9 and have wingers 442 will come back in again at some point and not Dyche style 442 either Both those formations are more defensive versions of 442, less adventurous than 532/352 and with all the disadvantages of 442 - reliant on hopeful balls into a centre forward. It's shoehorning in wingers for the sake of it. Rowett played a weird 433 with a central striker and McClean and Ince playing like wingers rather than inside forwards. It was terrible - the central striker was isolated and there was a disconnect between the midfield and the attack. 442 gets the best out of wingers but nobody at the top level plays it anymore and as a result young players aren't coming out of the top academies. 442 may come back but the problem at the moment is going to be getting hold of quality players who can play in that position. For the moment any call for bringing in wingers is nostalgia over the practical reality of where the game is at, On top of that we haven't got any wingers or a single target man in the squad and it's way too late to build a squad on that basis.
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Post by northstaffycher on Aug 2, 2022 11:52:48 GMT
When Mark Chamberlain threw his shin pads to the side we knew we were in for some excitement. Excitement at a footy game, remember that! Personally, I think, why not have wingers belting down the pitch. Crab football may be al la mode but sometimes going against the grain works too. Long throw-ins worked out pretty well!!
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Post by superpotter on Aug 2, 2022 11:56:35 GMT
Wingers for me . Better football never mind the modern game , teams don’t play wingers anymore why ? stop over complicating a very simple game unless you have top class very intelligent 100% super fit players . Which we don’t .
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Post by happylarry on Aug 2, 2022 12:00:14 GMT
He's made the pitch narrower this season - no room for wingers ;)
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Post by doitforever on Aug 2, 2022 12:03:08 GMT
With the addition of an 'h' in a suitable place in the thread title I might have read all the posts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 12:08:20 GMT
there is a fashionable view that 4-4-2 is outdated and its wrong
people tend to think of wingers beating their full back and whipping a cross in, for numbers rushing into the opposition box
they are not wrong to do so ...that is the point of 4 4 2 , and it is great to watch
but defensively it is sound too ...fit young men like giggs and beckham , can get back to help their full back block the route , round the outside of the full back and into space and work with their full back to force the opposition wide man inside and into traffic and congestion
fit young men like ethers and pennant can offer the likes of delap whelan shawcross huth , an out ball when under the cosh to ease the pressure
4 4 2 is out fashion but their is nothing wrong with trying to force opposition wide men inside and your own defence an out ball
4 4 2 done well beats a shambolic amateur attempt at 3 5 2 any day
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 12:22:52 GMT
Wingers for me . Better football never mind the modern game , teams don’t play wingers anymore why ? stop over complicating a very simple game unless you have top class very intelligent 100% super fit players . Which we don’t . Our midfield is rubbish with three in there and regularly gets over run. How is leaving only two in midfield against the vast majority of teams who play three going to work especially as we don't have an out and out DM?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 2, 2022 12:59:27 GMT
there is a fashionable view that 4-4-2 is outdated and its wrong people tend to think of wingers beating their full back and whipping a cross in, for numbers rushing into the opposition box they are not wrong to do so ...that is the point of 4 4 2 , and it is great to watch but defensively it is sound too ...fit young men like giggs and beckham , can get back to help their full back block the route , round the outside of the full back and into space and work with their full back to force the opposition wide man inside and into traffic and congestion fit young men like ethers and pennant can offer the likes of delap whelan shawcross huth , an out ball when under the cosh to ease the pressure 4 4 2 is out fashion but their is nothing wrong with trying to force opposition wide men inside and your own defence an out ball 4 4 2 done well beats a shambolic amateur attempt at 3 5 2 any day If 442 were an inherently better formation the top clubs would be playing it. It's not about fashion it's about what works - the successful teams play a short passing, possession based game where the attacking emphasis is on getting into the 18 yard box and not getting to the byeline and whipping in crosses. You can argue 442 can argue it's more exciting but it definitely isn't more successful. As an earlier poster said name one top team that plays with 2 out and out wingers - the examples you gave are from a different era.
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 2, 2022 13:17:28 GMT
there is a fashionable view that 4-4-2 is outdated and its wrong people tend to think of wingers beating their full back and whipping a cross in, for numbers rushing into the opposition box they are not wrong to do so ...that is the point of 4 4 2 , and it is great to watch but defensively it is sound too ...fit young men like giggs and beckham , can get back to help their full back block the route , round the outside of the full back and into space and work with their full back to force the opposition wide man inside and into traffic and congestion fit young men like ethers and pennant can offer the likes of delap whelan shawcross huth , an out ball when under the cosh to ease the pressure 4 4 2 is out fashion but their is nothing wrong with trying to force opposition wide men inside and your own defence an out ball 4 4 2 done well beats a shambolic amateur attempt at 3 5 2 any day Bang on the money. Nothing wrong with 442 and it’s a lot more defensively sound than 3 or 5 at the back (certainly how we play it). Who knows, if we tried it we may even create a few chances and shots on goal!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 2, 2022 17:11:15 GMT
I'd be happy with Peter Beagrie and Gary Hackett right now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2022 17:15:14 GMT
He's made the pitch narrower this season - no room for wingers We’ve done that to give Tymon a better chance of beating the first man
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Post by superpotter on Aug 2, 2022 17:23:57 GMT
Wingers for me . Better football never mind the modern game , teams don’t play wingers anymore why ? stop over complicating a very simple game unless you have top class very intelligent 100% super fit players . Which we don’t . Our midfield is rubbish with three in there and regularly gets over run. How is leaving only two in midfield against the vast majority of teams who play three going to work especially as we don't have an out and out DM? It’s rubbish because they have no one to pass to Turn around and play it back to a defender. Only needs two midfielders with the correct players
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 2, 2022 17:56:31 GMT
Chamberlain, Beagrie, Etherington, Pennant, Arnie, Shaqiri.
Back in the day when players used to take defenders on and not pass backwards.
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Post by superpotter on Aug 2, 2022 18:01:11 GMT
Chamberlain, Beagrie, Etherington, Pennant, Arnie, Shaqiri. Back in the day when players used to take defenders on and not pass backwards. Exactly we havnt got a player who has the skill pace or confidence to beat a man , Campbell has pace Tymon is quick but don’t see them beating a defender very often He not going to play wingers anyway but it’s a good point the original post
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Post by klingon on Aug 2, 2022 18:02:03 GMT
Suprised no body has mentioned Sir Stan or Harry Burrows. Showing my age I suppose.🤪 Jimmy Robertson?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2022 18:03:44 GMT
Ahhh chalk on ya boots, getting to the byline, whipping in a curving, away swinging cross straight on a strikers nut and the net bulging!! No, I’m afraid I’ve forgotten🤨
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 2, 2022 18:08:26 GMT
Bjarni?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Aug 3, 2022 0:45:45 GMT
Well one winger who is two footed would be a big help,they don't put players on the posts on corners because it's not the done thing,but how many of us have said when watching a game,a man on the post would have cleared that.... playing from the back risks giving a goal away, even by some good sides,I really think some of the things that have come into the game are ridiculous,and being a defender not looking at the ball coming in from a corner is a joke,and ball retention being more important than anything else is killing the game as an entertainment for a lot of fans. Dad always used to say they should have players on the posts at corners. The amount of goals we conceded from corners used to get him reht angry 😡
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Post by kustokie on Aug 3, 2022 1:14:32 GMT
We are all fishing in the same pond with a very small rod.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 3, 2022 5:13:40 GMT
Chalk on your boots wingers don't really exist any more. Even 'same sided' wide men these days are auxillary forwards that drift into the middle.
442 isn't dead nor out of fashion. Teams can and still do play variants of that system but the days of two pivots in the middle of two outside wingers supplying a big man and little man up front are long gone.
The game has moved on.
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