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Post by xchpotter on Jul 30, 2022 16:59:50 GMT
Whoever comes in now is going to have a hell of a job. He should have gone in March/April. It was so obvious Of course he should, but whoever comes in will be hamstrung by the dross MON has brought in... just repeating the same mistakes, over and over.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 16:59:52 GMT
The same board that brought O'Neill in, who is now deemed not good enough by the same people you say aren't paid to research alternative managers? The same board that have given us Lambert, Rowett and Jones in the same amount of calendar years as we've been in the Championship? Let's pull no punches here. The owners are useless and I could pull 4 or 5 people off here who would make better footballing decisions than this lot have. The day they appointed Paul Lambert to save us in the PL is the day they should have held their hands up and put the club up for sale. Everything else after has been nothing short of a laughable shit show. I know they're useless but it's still their job to source replacements unfortunately. The only hope is that at least JC was prepared to go for Flores and even Jones looked an interesting appointment at the time, so at least he's not restricted to Dad's roladex of Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock. But I do worry about who's advising him (or not, as the case may be). Jones was probably the ballsiest appointment I can ever recall us making and now it will be a reason they'll be scared to do anything remotely enterprising ever again. When backing MON becomes untenable they'll go out and recruit another bland, dour, defensive, uninspiring dinosaur and even that might be an improvement on what we've got. BTW the only thing sexy about Flores is his name, he produces dull low scoring football.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 17:01:47 GMT
I know they're useless but it's still their job to source replacements unfortunately. The only hope is that at least JC was prepared to go for Flores and even Jones looked an interesting appointment at the time, so at least he's not restricted to Dad's roladex of Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock. But I do worry about who's advising him (or not, as the case may be). That's like saying Tony Pulis used to scout footballers but never signed them. It's all well and good looking at the likes of Flores and Jokanovic but not ending up with them at your club speaks more about us and the way we're run than them. I bet your arse to a dollar they took one look at the club, the setup or lack of, the amount of work our manager's have to do and run an absolute mile. Even then...Flores to Lambert. Seriously? Why's that because he's got an exotic name. He produces dull defensive low scoring football, sounds a lot like Lambert to me.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 30, 2022 17:02:52 GMT
Trouble is that with every poor result or performance the pressure ramps up, there is no margin or time for him, the fans were restless pre season, this will only make things worse.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 17:03:14 GMT
Whoever comes in now is going to have a hell of a job. He should have gone in March/April. It was so obvious Of course he should, but whoever comes in will be hamstrung by the dross MON has brought in... just repeating the same mistakes, over and over. That squad is ten times better than today's performance.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jul 30, 2022 17:03:35 GMT
Here we go !!! Yeah , lets got rid and replace him with ??????? A Banana.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 30, 2022 17:04:28 GMT
Joey Barton
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Post by greenhuff on Jul 30, 2022 17:05:58 GMT
Today was about as worse as it gets for an opening day performance. At this level you need someone up front to hold the ball up and win an aerial duel.We had no one capable of doing that.We had no pace or tricky wide players and a defence which looked like it would concede from every ball flung into the box I really can't see O'Neill lasting through till October, nevermind the mid season break if this is going to be the level of performance.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 30, 2022 17:06:17 GMT
We could do a whole lot worse than Barton
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 30, 2022 17:06:51 GMT
All day long and I don't give a toss about his past either. The club is at a crossroads and the wrong choice again can't be sustained.
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Post by houstonsteve on Jul 30, 2022 17:08:07 GMT
too much baggage for the brains trust.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jul 30, 2022 17:09:03 GMT
He should have gone at the end of the season. 99% knew it. Pre season was a real reflection on the first game of the season. I don’t want him gone, we’re 1 game into the season. Shit performance no doubt but there are / were some positives. On paper we have a good squad (need a couple more) so I wouldn’t be pulling the trigger just yet.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 17:09:15 GMT
We could do a whole lot worse than Barton No chance they'd go for him they want a nice man who doesn't cause any controversy.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jul 30, 2022 17:11:34 GMT
Can he also take our idiotic supporters with their idiotic comments?
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Post by loosestools on Jul 30, 2022 17:11:49 GMT
We could do a whole lot worse than Barton No chance they'd go for him they want a nice man who doesn't cause any controversy. He would probably be available at the right money.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 30, 2022 17:14:02 GMT
I don’t want him gone, we’re 1 game into the season. Shit performance no doubt but there are / were some positives. On paper we have a good squad (need a couple more) so I wouldn’t be pulling the trigger just yet. And here’s the age old problem, it’s not one game it’s three seasons. I’m stunned that as a team and a city throughout we put up with any shit. ON out Conservatives out It’s not just one game though and it’s looks like we’ve reverted to hoofball without the personnel to do it effectively It’s a shambles, he should go now
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 30, 2022 17:14:10 GMT
Whoever comes in now is going to have a hell of a job. He should have gone in March/April. It was so obvious Of course he should, but whoever comes in will be hamstrung by the dross MON has brought in... just repeating the same mistakes, over and over. I think someone could put a decent side out with the squad we have. Play a more high tempo set up that looks to create chances and we'd be much better, its really simple stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 17:14:42 GMT
I think he's alright but he's a PR disaster and a total loose cannon. Dyche makes sense.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 17:15:23 GMT
No chance they'd go for him they want a nice man who doesn't cause any controversy. He would probably be available at the right money. I'd take him yesterday. He's already done more than MON to improve our players.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jul 30, 2022 17:15:45 GMT
He should have gone at the end of the season. 99% knew it. Pre season was a real reflection on the first game of the season. I don’t want him gone, we’re 1 game into the season. Shit performance no doubt but there are / were some positives. On paper we have a good squad (need a couple more) so I wouldn’t be pulling the trigger just yet.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jul 30, 2022 17:16:39 GMT
He should have gone at the end of the season. 99% knew it. Pre season was a real reflection on the first game of the season. I don’t want him gone, we’re 1 game into the season. Shit performance no doubt but there are / were some positives. On paper we have a good squad (need a couple more) so I wouldn’t be pulling the trigger just yet.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 30, 2022 17:18:04 GMT
And here’s the age old problem, it’s not one game it’s three seasons. I’m stunned that as a team and a city throughout we put up with any shit. ON out Conservatives out It’s not just one game though and it’s looks like we’ve reverted to hoofball without the personnel to do it effectively It’s a shambles, he should go now When hoofball is played its like the last throws of life when nothing else can be done - like death rattle.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jul 30, 2022 17:18:30 GMT
I think he's alright but he's a PR disaster and a total loose cannon. Dyche makes sense. Wouldn't touch this club with a barge pole, one look on this cesspit would be enough to put anyone off!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2022 17:20:09 GMT
I think he's alright but he's a PR disaster and a total loose cannon. Dyche makes sense. Wouldn't touch this club with a barge pole, one look on this cesspit would be enough to put anyone off! 😂😂😂 Yes not the abject manager. And the neglectful ownership.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 30, 2022 17:21:55 GMT
I think he's alright but he's a PR disaster and a total loose cannon. Dyche makes sense. Dyche is dull - I want to move away from dull. Not in a Jones way - he wasn't ready for the ego battles.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 30, 2022 17:25:41 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 30, 2022 17:30:44 GMT
It’s not just one game though and it’s looks like we’ve reverted to hoofball without the personnel to do it effectively It’s a shambles, he should go now When hoofball is played its like the last throws of life when nothing else can be done - like death rattle. From trying to play it out from the back at every opportunity to hoofing without the resources. Crazy crazy illogical stuff. I liked him but he needs to go now
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 30, 2022 17:31:33 GMT
Here we go !!! Yeah , lets got rid and replace him with ??????? Problem with Stoke board is they're reactive. Could have had Moyes when it was clear Hughes had lost the plot. We didn't. Moyes took West Ham into Europe, we got Lambert. Could possibly have had Steve Cooper last season - but continued to put faith in the 'rebuild'. Stoke will wait until it's completely untenable and then make a 'backs to the wall' appointment to try and stave off relegation - which if they do will hail the season as a 'success'. Not ruthless enough in an extremely ruthless industry.
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Post by harryh157 on Jul 30, 2022 17:34:52 GMT
Not for me. I'd have been happy to change at the end of last season but once the decision has been made you need to give him a chance.
Sack him after 1 game? Naah, nit for me. Let's see where we are after 10
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 30, 2022 17:35:05 GMT
We could do a whole lot worse than Barton We already are!!!
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