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Post by David Brent on Jul 30, 2022 15:55:18 GMT
You’ve slept walked into this with your naivety You’ve backed a manager who clearly has no idea what he’s doing You’ve wasted crucial summer months that could have been spent with a new manager
This club is on a poor downwards spiral and posters who will say “it’s only one game” need to wake up, this was obvious at the back end of last season, if things don’t change it will only get worse
I beg you don’t waste anymore time and sack this manager. This is close to a Mark Hughes MK2.
ACT NOW
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2022 15:56:10 GMT
Totally agree
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 30, 2022 15:57:27 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is.
About bloody time.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 30, 2022 15:58:38 GMT
All those who said 'its just preseason' look foolish now.
We are going down if we don't get rid now.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 30, 2022 15:58:49 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Tell me what the alternative is? Regardless we will be fucked by FFP. Manager change has to happen
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 30, 2022 15:59:23 GMT
Stubbornly playing a system with players who are not capable for the required positions
A manger who sadly is not a Championship manager by a long shot & time after time is being found out by the opposition
A team looking even worse than last season except for a couple of players
Its worrying
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 30, 2022 16:00:34 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Tell me what the alternative is? Regardless we will be fucked by FFP. Manager change has to happen Not that I’d particularly want him. (I’m also not paid to scour for new managers) But surely it has to be dyche?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 30, 2022 16:01:31 GMT
Be brave young John. You'll look daft but not half as daft as you'll look in November.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 30, 2022 16:01:57 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Tell me what the alternative is? Regardless we will be fucked by FFP. Manager change has to happen Of course it has to happen if this carries on. What are the odds of this idiot changing the habit of a lifetime, getting off his lazy arse and running this club properly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 16:06:19 GMT
The board should've replaced him at the end of last season. They made the same mistake with Hughes. I'm not quite fearing a long relegation battle (yet) I think this league is so full of worthless dogshit that maybe we'll be slightly less worthless dogshit, but we've probably lost another season of potentially arresting our malaise. I don't get it given Peter Coates is 84 (85 in January) maybe he thinks he is going to live forever. Personally I'm not sure I can tolerate another season of this abject fucking dogshit. And the buck for how we're setting up lies firmly at the manager's door. Look at Forest when we beat them 1-0 early last season - they were beyond worthless. They switched from a dinosaur to a progressive manager and ended up getting promoted from a terrible position. People go on about our hands being tied by FFP but I don't buy it, I think our hands are tied by the man in charge of the team.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Jul 30, 2022 16:20:15 GMT
Having watched the full video from Thursday night's meeting, my worst fears about JC were unfortunately confirmed. He might feel uncomfortable speaking to groups of people (which is fair enough) but when asked what our plan is, the guy didn't have a fucking clue. Even the shyest of business leaders would still have been able to give some substance to their answer. Not just "we want to get promoted". This confirms we don't any kind of strategic plan football wise and haven't had for years.
I was privy to some info about 6 years ago from someone very close to SCFC who said that Jon Coates was now running the club and that it would be a disaster. No coincidence our considerable dip in fortunes has been since then.
This isn't having a personal go at Jon Coates. I don't know the bloke. This isn't also one of those "get the Coates' out" posts either. However, if he/the family weren't local billionaires, they would be struggling for many people sticking up for them.
He won't sack O Neil. They can't afford to and certainly couldn't go and head hunt a promising manager and pay compo. MON can leave for free in the summer next year. This is the unfortunate reality.
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2022 16:45:01 GMT
Oh it’s seriously down to this idiot but he doesn’t make ON play the way he does.
Both need to go
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2022 16:47:45 GMT
Having watched the full video from Thursday night's meeting, my worst fears about JC were unfortunately confirmed. He might feel uncomfortable speaking to groups of people (which is fair enough) but when asked what our plan is, the guy didn't have a fucking clue. Even the shyest of business leaders would still have been able to give some substance to their answer. Not just "we want to get promoted". This confirms we don't any kind of strategic plan football wise and haven't had for years. I was privy to some info about 6 years ago from someone very close to SCFC who said that Jon Coates was now running the club and that it would be a disaster. No coincidence our considerable dip in fortunes has been since then. This isn't having a personal go at Jon Coates. I don't know the bloke. This isn't also one of those "get the Coates' out" posts either. However, if he/the family weren't local billionaires, they would be struggling for many people sticking up for them. He won't sack O Neil. They can't afford to and certainly couldn't go and head hunt a promising manager and pay compo. MON can leave for free in the summer next year. This is the unfortunate reality. The reigns were handed over as you say, very much doubt you’ll see Senior in public again.
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Post by tomdickorharry on Jul 30, 2022 16:48:29 GMT
It’s commonly referred to as the blind leading the blind
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 30, 2022 16:51:27 GMT
We've missed so many boats plugging on with Safe Mick.
The time to act was when Steve Cooper unexpectedly left Swansea. Then Wilder at Sheffield Utd, then Farke at Norwich etc.
Get Gravel Gob Dyche in now. Our squad is capable of competing up there under a decent manager in a system that allows for chance creation.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 30, 2022 16:59:02 GMT
We've missed so many boats plugging on with Safe Mick. The time to act was when Steve Cooper unexpectedly left Swansea. Then Wilder at Sheffield Utd, then Farke at Norwich etc. Get Gravel Gob Dyche in now. Our squad is capable of competing up there under a decent manager in a system that allows for chance creation. We will go from Safe Mick to Mad Mick more likely
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Post by Amo on Jul 30, 2022 17:00:59 GMT
Sadly I don’t think he is up to the job!
As someone else has said blind leading the blind
Has been put out to pasture at Stoke because is he not ruthless enough?
Who knows but very worrying to say the least.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 30, 2022 17:01:29 GMT
I did call the other day that this has the potential too get nasty. Like the Birmingham home game in 97-98 nasty
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 30, 2022 17:18:39 GMT
The worst thing about Jonathan is how vicious this is going to be for O'Neil. Should have departed with a massive payout and well wishes in May.
This isn't going to get better it's going to get nasty and toxic. So sad.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jul 30, 2022 17:21:42 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in
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Post by loosestools on Jul 30, 2022 17:25:00 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in Best go and bury our heads in the sand then.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 30, 2022 17:27:51 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in It's not knicker wetting at all
We are fucking dogshit in near enough every way imaginable
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 17:28:01 GMT
The worst thing about Jonathan is how vicious this is going to be for O'Neil. Should have departed with a massive payout and well wishes in May. This isn't going to get better it's going to get nasty and toxic. So sad. Would have been better for everyone MON clearly seemed like he'd run out of ideas in the second half of last season and looked and sounded like he needed putting out of his misery. Think he knows it's only a matter of when now not if.
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Post by stokie1 on Jul 30, 2022 17:29:16 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Tell me what the alternative is? Regardless we will be fucked by FFP. Manager change has to happen Bring back the messiah!
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 30, 2022 17:29:59 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in You might have a point if this season was a clean slate but it isn't, in a number of levels.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 30, 2022 17:33:04 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Has John Coates signed a right back that's not very good? Signed a couple of centre backs that are too old? Signed a bucket load of midfielders which are all the same type? Got 4 centre forwards that are all the same type? Pinned his hopes of a 3 year plan on a 33 year old and an 18 year old loan? He's not faultless, but once again he's backed his man as much as physically possible and been horribly let down. You'd think he'd learn losing all this money to set up a proper structure but this manager has let him down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 17:40:01 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in 138 games in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 17:55:04 GMT
The worst thing about Jonathan is how vicious this is going to be for O'Neil. Should have departed with a massive payout and well wishes in May. This isn't going to get better it's going to get nasty and toxic. So sad. Would have been better for everyone MON clearly seemed like he'd run out of ideas in the second half of last season and looked and sounded like he needed putting out of his misery. Think he knows it's only a matter of when now not if. Why then doesn't he go out swinging, he has nothing to lose. I really don't get it. I know he's a pragmatist and cautious by nature but in that first season we played some good attacking football. Is he just that stubborn he would rather be sacked than admit he got it wrong?
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Post by David Brent on Jul 30, 2022 17:57:18 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in If this was only due to pre season and this result. I would 100% agree with you but this is off the back end of last season
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 30, 2022 18:02:24 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Has John Coates signed a right back that's not very good? Signed a couple of centre backs that are too old? Signed a bucket load of midfielders which are all the same type? Got 4 centre forwards that are all the same type? Pinned his hopes of a 3 year plan on a 33 year old and an 18 year old loan? He's not faultless, but once again he's backed his man as much as physically possible and been horribly let down. You'd think he'd learn losing all this money to set up a proper structure but this manager has let him down. With respect you need to look a bit further than the obvious with this. I get it, manager is appointed, manager does badly, manager is a wanker and he gets the sack - we move on. It's more nuanced than that. Yes, managers make good and bad signings but the issues are becoming more deep rooted than that. If this manager is sacked that's now 4 bad appointments in a row. Not just the odd poor appointment that you can say 'fair enough, didn't work - hard luck and move on'. It's part of a systematic failure stemming nearly half a decade or more now. This isn't just idle mistakes that you can pin totally on the manager. People are now comparing this to 'Mark Hughes MkII'. Dare we forget how long Nathan was here before he was moved on? What was it 7 or 8 points adrift of safety? It's clear this owner not only has issues recruiting managers - he is exceptionally dangerous in failing to admit his mistakes - some call it blind loyalty. I call it a dereliction of duty. It's simply not good enough and no amount of free bus rides can hide it for me.
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