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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 30, 2022 20:55:18 GMT
It's not knicker wetting at all We are fucking dogshit in near enough every way imaginable
I’m not saying MON should stay as there are errors of concern (defence). But I felt prior to their 2nd we played better on the offensive at times, Campbell effort could of gone in? Some neat build up play & felt a draw (if we had scored) would of been justified. The big worry is the defence in this game and in pre season. Question is who can rally a team like this if MON goes? I gave him 5 games but tbh if the result and performance is dire against Blackpool then it must be time? Not just MON but the whole first team set up. We didn’t have a shot on target in the 2nd half. We were atrocious, second best to and at everything
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Post by 36dd on Jul 30, 2022 21:03:41 GMT
I’m not saying MON should stay as there are errors of concern (defence). But I felt prior to their 2nd we played better on the offensive at times, Campbell effort could of gone in? Some neat build up play & felt a draw (if we had scored) would of been justified. The big worry is the defence in this game and in pre season. Question is who can rally a team like this if MON goes? I gave him 5 games but tbh if the result and performance is dire against Blackpool then it must be time? Not just MON but the whole first team set up. We didn’t have a shot on target in the 2nd half. We were atrocious, second best to and at everything I must of been dozing then lol 😆
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Post by skip on Jul 30, 2022 21:18:17 GMT
Back to John Coates, judging by that Q&A the other night, for a millionaire, he's a scruffy sod.
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2022 21:21:36 GMT
Back to John Coates, judging by that Q&A the other night, for a millionaire, he's a scruffy sod. [b His sister is apparently
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 21:35:40 GMT
Back to John Coates, judging by that Q&A the other night, for a Billionaire, he's a scruffy sod.
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 30, 2022 21:39:19 GMT
Jon Coates is not an idiot and he is a real Stoke fanatic. He will be as alarmed as the rest of us. If he has a fault, it is his patience. It must soon run out. I dunno Attachments:
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 30, 2022 21:40:18 GMT
Having watched the full video from Thursday night's meeting, my worst fears about JC were unfortunately confirmed. He might feel uncomfortable speaking to groups of people (which is fair enough) but when asked what our plan is, the guy didn't have a fucking clue. Even the shyest of business leaders would still have been able to give some substance to their answer. Not just "we want to get promoted". This confirms we don't any kind of strategic plan football wise and haven't had for years. I was privy to some info about 6 years ago from someone very close to SCFC who said that Jon Coates was now running the club and that it would be a disaster. No coincidence our considerable dip in fortunes has been since then. This isn't having a personal go at Jon Coates. I don't know the bloke. This isn't also one of those "get the Coates' out" posts either. However, if he/the family weren't local billionaires, they would be struggling for many people sticking up for them. He won't sack O Neil. They can't afford to and certainly couldn't go and head hunt a promising manager and pay compo. MON can leave for free in the summer next year. This is the unfortunate reality. So the answer is?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2022 21:41:20 GMT
Having watched the full video from Thursday night's meeting, my worst fears about JC were unfortunately confirmed. He might feel uncomfortable speaking to groups of people (which is fair enough) but when asked what our plan is, the guy didn't have a fucking clue. Even the shyest of business leaders would still have been able to give some substance to their answer. Not just "we want to get promoted". This confirms we don't any kind of strategic plan football wise and haven't had for years. I was privy to some info about 6 years ago from someone very close to SCFC who said that Jon Coates was now running the club and that it would be a disaster. No coincidence our considerable dip in fortunes has been since then. This isn't having a personal go at Jon Coates. I don't know the bloke. This isn't also one of those "get the Coates' out" posts either. However, if he/the family weren't local billionaires, they would be struggling for many people sticking up for them. He won't sack O Neil. They can't afford to and certainly couldn't go and head hunt a promising manager and pay compo. MON can leave for free in the summer next year. This is the unfortunate reality. So the answer is? What would you do?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 30, 2022 21:45:24 GMT
The last two seasons have been mostly poor, and even with the extenuating circumstances, we should have done better last season. But the first game of the season generally isn't a good barometer for how the rest of the season will go.
Has anyone said we're missing Allen yet? Or that Allen is the problem?
I imagine O'Neill will be moved on if we don't improve soon.
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Post by Ron on Jul 30, 2022 21:56:11 GMT
I think the Coates main fault has been their immense sense of loyalty. They’re loyal to their staff at 365 and this carries through to the club. They clearly care. They’d throw as much cash as they could at it if they could. Them caring is not the issue. Loyalty to TP paid off. They were loyal to Hughes- tbf those hangers on elsewhere at the club were also as culpable in the mess as he was. More loyalty- to fuckwits like Cartwright.
Sadly - football is ruthless. They’re just too “ nice” I guess. In business such as 365- it’s no doubt served them very very well. MON is no doubt a 1st class decent human being. I have no doubt he cares deeply too. I have no doubt he wants to succeed. BUT if this malaise carries on - then they have to do the hard thing and get rid. It seems they become friends with them- the divide between employer/ employee becomes blurred by friendship.
Whilst loyalty is a quality in some circumstances- it can make the loyal blind to what is in from of them.
I’d very much like to think they’re aware of how bad it is. They must do as fans watching.
However- if come October the performances show no sign of improvement ( for me it’s about performances and development of style as much as results) then they have a decsion to make.
I genuinely think they’re scared to listen to fans after Rowett. As much I wanted him gone - I genuinely think we would have been challenging for the playoffs had he remained in post. That said he had to go at the point he turned on the fans post Bolton.
MON has steadied the ship as requested. If the ship is to move forward- it’s very clear to most of us he’s not the man to do it.
I hope things turn and we / he does well. But I just can’t see it.
However- we need to let him have the window now, see how things settle.
If we get delap in AND a wide player then I’m more optimistic.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Jul 30, 2022 22:00:15 GMT
Having watched the full video from Thursday night's meeting, my worst fears about JC were unfortunately confirmed. He might feel uncomfortable speaking to groups of people (which is fair enough) but when asked what our plan is, the guy didn't have a fucking clue. Even the shyest of business leaders would still have been able to give some substance to their answer. Not just "we want to get promoted". This confirms we don't any kind of strategic plan football wise and haven't had for years. I was privy to some info about 6 years ago from someone very close to SCFC who said that Jon Coates was now running the club and that it would be a disaster. No coincidence our considerable dip in fortunes has been since then. This isn't having a personal go at Jon Coates. I don't know the bloke. This isn't also one of those "get the Coates' out" posts either. However, if he/the family weren't local billionaires, they would be struggling for many people sticking up for them. He won't sack O Neil. They can't afford to and certainly couldn't go and head hunt a promising manager and pay compo. MON can leave for free in the summer next year. This is the unfortunate reality. So the answer is? The answer is that Jon needs to appoint someone (or more than one person) to the technical board that he talks about that a) isn't him and b) as a result of it not being him, someone who understands football and is able to come up with a strategic vision on how we as a club can move forward under the current restraints we have, whilst also understanding why we have got ourselves into this position under these restraints so that it doesn't happen again. Which is just as important. Didn't the club make a statement when we got relegated saying "we have learned our lessons", only for us to then show we hadn't by spunking record amounts of money on absolute shite. Before anyone says it was Rowett who did this, that's correct but who signed off on it?! It was quite ironic that he talked about how unfair it was for clubs that didn't have parachute payments competing against clubs that did have parachute payments. He must have forgotten how we absolutely shat all our para payments up the wall!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 23:08:01 GMT
from where i am standing , he knows nothing about football or business
(though his wife knows a lot about business and online gambling)
it's not really obvious to anyone , why a bloke who knows nothing about football or business, is what we need , to head up our club
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 30, 2022 23:13:50 GMT
A true fan but doesnt have a clue what a decent football manager looks like
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Post by thevoid on Jul 30, 2022 23:30:17 GMT
The worst thing about Jonathan is how vicious this is going to be for O'Neil. Should have departed with a massive payout and well wishes in May. This isn't going to get better it's going to get nasty and toxic. So sad. Would have been better for everyone MON clearly seemed like he'd run out of ideas in the second half of last season and looked and sounded like he needed putting out of his misery. Think he knows it's only a matter of when now not if. If that's the case, it's no wonder he couldn't motivate milk into a glass. If he knows he's on borrowed time he'll just be going through the motions.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 30, 2022 23:30:46 GMT
Tell me what the alternative is? Regardless we will be fucked by FFP. Manager change has to happen Bring back the messiah! Lou? Out of the game for too long and doing his charity works now
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Post by thevoid on Jul 30, 2022 23:34:01 GMT
Would have been better for everyone MON clearly seemed like he'd run out of ideas in the second half of last season and looked and sounded like he needed putting out of his misery. Think he knows it's only a matter of when now not if. Why then doesn't he go out swinging, he has nothing to lose. I really don't get it. I know he's a pragmatist and cautious by nature but in that first season we played some good attacking football. Is he just that stubborn he would rather be sacked than admit he got it wrong? In that first season he had to play attacking football as we needed points and wins. His hand was forced- yet after that opening game at Barnsley and Colin Murray's eulogising on Quest I really thought we'd struck gold.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2022 0:11:51 GMT
Oh finally we're waking up to what the real problem at this club is. About bloody time. Has John Coates signed a right back that's not very good? Signed a couple of centre backs that are too old? Signed a bucket load of midfielders which are all the same type? Got 4 centre forwards that are all the same type? Pinned his hopes of a 3 year plan on a 33 year old and an 18 year old loan? He's not faultless, but once again he's backed his man as much as physically possible and been horribly let down. You'd think he'd learn losing all this money to set up a proper structure but this manager has let him down. Since things went belly up, we’ve fired four managers, plus Cartwright and Scholes left. Yet things are as toxic as ever. Unless you count the tea-lady, John Scholes is the only common denominator.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2022 0:19:32 GMT
The last two seasons have been mostly poor, and even with the extenuating circumstances, we should have done better last season. But the first game of the season generally isn't a good barometer for how the rest of the season will go. Has anyone said we're missing Allen yet? Or that Allen is the problem? I imagine O'Neill will be moved on if we don't improve soon. We missed Allen today (sorry Bayern). Baker and Allen were a good combination, but Baker alone contributes nothing. Baker, Powell and Allen would have been as good as it gets in this league. Sadly we couldn’t afford Allen and Powell is made of balsa wood. The midfield was the biggest weakness last season and looks even worse so far this season. You know there’s a problem when Clucas is a starter. It’s early days, so I am not wiling to give up yet but it is not very encouraging if the pre-season and the first game are anything to go by.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2022 1:36:41 GMT
The last two seasons have been mostly poor, and even with the extenuating circumstances, we should have done better last season. But the first game of the season generally isn't a good barometer for how the rest of the season will go. Has anyone said we're missing Allen yet? Or that Allen is the problem? I imagine O'Neill will be moved on if we don't improve soon. We missed Allen today (sorry Bayern). Baker and Allen were a good combination, but Baker alone contributes nothing. Baker, Powell and Allen would have been as good as it gets in this league. Sadly we couldn’t afford Allen and Powell is made of balsa wood. The midfield was the biggest weakness last season and looks even worse so far this season. You know there’s a problem when Clucas is a starter. It’s early days, so I am not wiling to give up yet but it is not very encouraging if the pre-season and the first game are anything to go by. Spot in baker looks lost and has done all season we are significantly weaker this year without Allen and sawyers were we to sign both tomorrow it would be a huge improvement abject management misjudgement in replacing players with worse and it goes on and on
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2022 2:36:01 GMT
Roy Keane is looking to go back into management ??? Id take keane , Barton , Pulis , warnock , Dyche , or anyone else with an ounce of energy right now
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Post by s7oke on Jul 31, 2022 5:15:22 GMT
Has John Coates signed a right back that's not very good? Signed a couple of centre backs that are too old? Signed a bucket load of midfielders which are all the same type? Got 4 centre forwards that are all the same type? Pinned his hopes of a 3 year plan on a 33 year old and an 18 year old loan? He's not faultless, but once again he's backed his man as much as physically possible and been horribly let down. You'd think he'd learn losing all this money to set up a proper structure but this manager has let him down. Since things went belly up, we’ve fired four managers, plus Cartwright and Scholes left. Yet things are as toxic as ever. Unless you count the tea-lady, John Scholes is the only common denominator. Who’s John scholes ? 😁
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Post by s7oke on Jul 31, 2022 5:16:28 GMT
Roy Keane is looking to go back into management ??? Id take keane , Barton , Pulis , warnock , Dyche , or anyone else with an ounce of energy right now Carrick Or Ferguson do you think should be included
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2022 10:04:32 GMT
Id take keane , Barton , Pulis , warnock , Dyche , or anyone else with an ounce of energy right now Carrick Or Ferguson do you think should be included Anyone with a battery would likely be a start There’s a malaise righ through the club the dour demeanour of MOn , Delap and Holden just transmits in everything we do from preparation , through pre match , through warm up , through game to final whistle and post Mortem is truly depressing leadership
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 31, 2022 10:15:22 GMT
Roy Keane is looking to go back into management ??? Id take keane , Barton , Pulis , warnock , Dyche , or anyone else with an ounce of energy right now I’d take Dyche and Barton, but please keep Keane, Pulis or Warnock away from the club. I’m fed up of old dinosaurs constantly getting mentioned and I’m fed up with the club at the moment. It’s a fucking tragedy that 4 years after relegation and multiple seasons that we still think we need some ‘old-school’ sort who is about 7 years past their sell by date.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 31, 2022 10:16:11 GMT
Carlos Corberan, ex Huddersfield. Goalkeeper in his day as well, so perhaps could sort out our kepers
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Post by anchorman on Jul 31, 2022 10:29:02 GMT
I agree Benj. A team reflects it's manager and the lack of energy around the team and therefore the club is frighteningly concerning. If a Sunday league side had conceded those two goals from yesterday there would be an inquest. It's embarrassing. Nothing whatsoever has been learned from previous mistakes. I'm convinced that anyone with a bit of energy & nous could improve and inspire this group of players...meanwhile in the boardroom we have a Chairman who is totally out of his depth and hasn't got a plan. John Coates either needs to realise or be told that he needs to bring in professional's to run the club otherwise we are going to spiral out of control into oblivion. So to conclude, we need a new manager and a director of football (or whatever title is used nowadays), a rb/rwb, a centre half, a striker and a miracle!
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Post by kerouac on Jul 31, 2022 10:31:15 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in I’m sure there must be a way to change your username…..just ask admin.How about Stokerealist instead?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2022 10:33:29 GMT
Id take keane , Barton , Pulis , warnock , Dyche , or anyone else with an ounce of energy right now I’d take Dyche and Barton, but please keep Keane, Pulis or Warnock away from the club. I’m fed up of old dinosaurs constantly getting mentioned and I’m fed up with the club at the moment. It’s a fucking tragedy that 4 years after relegation and multiple seasons that we still think we need some ‘old-school’ sort who is about 7 years past their sell by date. To be fair I said id take not recommend , I actually think keane is gong to do well somewhere but agree the latter wouldn’t be my preference but it will depend on how far adrift we are when change comes leave to too loony and it’s a red Adair job and they both foot that bill albeit im nit sure there’s an ounce of bottle in this squad to suit either
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 31, 2022 10:35:12 GMT
I agree Benj. A team reflects it's manager and the lack of energy around the team and therefore the club is frighteningly concerning. If a Sunday league side had conceded those two goals from yesterday there would be an inquest. It's embarrassing. Nothing whatsoever has been learned from previous mistakes. I'm convinced that anyone with a bit of energy & nous could improve and inspire this group of players...meanwhile in the boardroom we have a Chairman who is totally out of his depth and hasn't got a plan. John Coates either needs to realise or be told that he needs to bring in professional's to run the club otherwise we are going to spiral out of control into oblivion. So to conclude, we need a new manager and a director of football (or whatever title is used nowadays), a rb/rwb, a centre half, a striker and a miracle! We were actually lucky that it was only 2. We got luck with the goal that was disallowed. To concede in the way we did was truly neglectful.
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Post by a on Jul 31, 2022 10:35:18 GMT
Stoke fans taking nicker wetting to a new level this year, one game in Did you just start following us yesterday?
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