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Post by Picasso on Jul 26, 2022 8:17:34 GMT
Why’s he dropping down a league if he’s that good and it’s bad management? If that’s the case, surely a ‘good’ Championship manager would see MON’s error and snap him up.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 8:19:56 GMT
Anyway, back to what I originally wanted to know, and I'm not being difficult I'm genuinely being asked by a Vale supporting friend: Does his contract at Stoke run until next summer? Is there any evidence other than someone from the Vale says that we've offered him a new one? I presume it did. The person that told me isn’t from the Vale so if you believe me there is evidence of that. Obviously it’s not real evidence but I’ve been saying on here for weeks that he rejected a deal based on what he told me! I keep being told he's rejected a new deal but I also keep being told he's a free agent, by someone at the Vale. There's nothing to suggest he was released, he traveled and played in Ireland a couple of weeks ago. I find both parts of their story a bit odd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 8:20:21 GMT
I know a couple of Vale fans who will be ecstatic with this signing.
When he played against them last season they said he was comfortably the best player on the park.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2022 8:20:51 GMT
Best young defender we have? Pull the other one. He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind. I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 26, 2022 8:20:56 GMT
3 pages and not one use of the phrase 'fuck off down the Vale'. Baffling.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 8:22:09 GMT
This is the conclusion I've reached but seems odd it's not mentioned anywhere. He's out of academy age now so I can't see him been given a new deal without the greenlight from the manager which seems unlikely.
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Post by tomdickorharry on Jul 26, 2022 8:22:16 GMT
There’s better players around No loss here
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:24:34 GMT
I know a couple of Vale fans who will be ecstatic with this signing. When he played against them last season they said he was comfortably the best player on the park. You are confusing him with Taylor . Forrester went Mansfield only played 4, none of which were v Vale .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2022 8:26:05 GMT
What a shame, at least he'll get regular games there.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:26:16 GMT
He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind. I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester. Can't say for sure. Souttar definitely but remember Taylor has the benefit of a full season with Bristol. Forrester might also benefit and improve as Taylor did ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 8:26:43 GMT
My brother who is a Vale fan knew about it when I spoke to him on Saturday. Asked if I'd heard anything and if he was any good.
I said we have a poster on the Oatcake who's going to be livid if it's true.
I went on to say I think he's decent but not really seen enough of him to know for sure.
Good luck to the lad anyway. I like the fact he's backing himself, shows character.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 8:26:43 GMT
Why would a manager turn on a player <21 years old and refuse to speak to him? There must be a reason if it's true at all? It just doesn't make sense and the context here is who your contact is and what is his or her angle? No angle. They post on here so if they want to say they can. Interesting. I look forward to hearing from them...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:27:10 GMT
I presume it did. The person that told me isn’t from the Vale so if you believe me there is evidence of that. Obviously it’s not real evidence but I’ve been saying on here for weeks that he rejected a deal based on what he told me! I keep being told he's rejected a new deal but I also keep being told he's a free agent, by someone at the Vale. There's nothing to suggest he was released, he traveled and played in Ireland a couple of weeks ago. I find both parts of their story a bit odd. Like FM has said the last public thing re his contract said it expired at the end of last season. But there was nothing to suggest it did? So I presumed and it is a presumption we had an option and extended that because as you say he’s been involved in pre season and wasn’t released. Maybe it was up and we were trying to convince him to stay? Again that’s a guess.
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Post by tomdickorharry on Jul 26, 2022 8:27:39 GMT
Be good at Stafford Rangers though. Could have a good career there maybe
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:28:17 GMT
He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind. I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester. All of them should be with us for another 2/3 seasons. I think both him and Taylor have a chance of being better than Souttar.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:34:00 GMT
Be good at Stafford Rangers though. Could have a good career there maybe Yet the other day you described Taylor and Wilmot as no marks ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 8:34:57 GMT
I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester. All of them should be with us for another 2/3 seasons. I think both him and Taylor have a chance of being better than Souttar. I've seen nothing to suggest he'll be anywhere near as good as Souttar. He had an injury hit spell at Mansfield but still wasn't always used when available whereas Souttar (and Taylor) we're mainstays at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. I just can't see it personally, but I'm sure he'll forge a decent career in League's One and Two...........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 8:38:16 GMT
I know a couple of Vale fans who will be ecstatic with this signing. When he played against them last season they said he was comfortably the best player on the park. You are confusing him with Taylor . Forrester went Mansfield only played 4, none of which were v Vale . Was it Taylor who was on loan at Bristol then?
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 26, 2022 8:40:00 GMT
First direct transfer for 40 years between the two clubs Gareth Owen went on loan and it became a permanent deal, not sure if a fee was involved.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:41:31 GMT
You are confusing him with Taylor . Forrester went Mansfield only played 4, none of which were v Vale . Was it Taylor who was on loan at Bristol then? Yes and by all accounts was exceptional. My Vale mate ( yes I know ! ) went both games. The one at Bristol he said couldn't judge him as Bristol finished with 9 men. The one at Vale he said Taylor was excellent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:42:42 GMT
All of them should be with us for another 2/3 seasons. I think both him and Taylor have a chance of being better than Souttar. I've seen nothing to suggest he'll be anywhere near as good as Souttar. He had an injury hit spell at Mansfield but still wasn't always used when available whereas Souttar (and Taylor) we're mainstays at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. I just can't see it personally, but I'm sure he'll forge a decent career in League's One and Two........... I don't think Taylor will be as flawless as Forrester was in the Champo this season. I think he might get there by the end of this season but he's not there yet. His positioning in the two pre season games (and the 6/7 Brizzle games I watched) worries me. It's just naive which is fine because he's young but leaves so much space in behind. Very much reminds me of Souttar though against better opposition. I like them all. 3 potential PL class defenders for sure.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2022 8:42:56 GMT
First direct transfer for 40 years between the two clubs Gareth Owen went on loan and it became a permanent deal, not sure if a fee was involved. No he went to Oldham, ended up at Vale later on Been players who have played for both clubs but this is the first direct transfer since 1982
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 8:43:12 GMT
I know a couple of Vale fans who will be ecstatic with this signing. When he played against them last season they said he was comfortably the best player on the park. He's never played against them, he didn't even play in the 0-4 defeat against them in the EFL Trophy a couple of seasons back and he was left out of the squad for their league game against Mansfield earlier in the season.......
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:44:42 GMT
Gareth Owen went on loan and it became a permanent deal, not sure if a fee was involved. No he went to Oldham, ended up at Vale later on Been players who have played for both clubs but this is the first direct transfer since 1982 Who was that ? Peter Griffiths?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 8:45:10 GMT
I've seen nothing to suggest he'll be anywhere near as good as Souttar. He had an injury hit spell at Mansfield but still wasn't always used when available whereas Souttar (and Taylor) we're mainstays at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. I just can't see it personally, but I'm sure he'll forge a decent career in League's One and Two........... I don't think Taylor will be as flawless as Forrester was in the Champo this season. I think he might get there by the end of this season but he's not there yet. His positioning in the two pre season games (and the 6/7 Brizzle games I watched) worries me. It's just naive which is fine because he's young but leaves so much space in behind. Very much reminds me of Souttar though against better opposition. I like them all. 3 potential PL class defenders for sure. I like Forrester, but to describe his first half performance at Middlesbrough as "flawless" would just be silly........
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 26, 2022 8:46:52 GMT
Gareth Owen went on loan and it became a permanent deal, not sure if a fee was involved. No he went to Oldham, ended up at Vale later on Been players who have played for both clubs but this is the first direct transfer since 1982 2001–2005 Stoke City 5 (0) 2004 → Oldham Athletic (loan) 15 (1) 2004 → Torquay United (loan) 5 (0) 2005 → Oldham Athletic (loan) 9 (0) 2005–2007 Oldham Athletic 17 (0) 2006–2007 → Stockport County (loan) 39 (0) 2007–2009 Stockport County 44 (0) 2008 → Yeovil Town (loan) 7 (0) 2008–2009 → Port Vale (loan) 4 (0) 2009–2013 Port Vale 110 (2) Total 255 (3) I only looked at this as I was talking to my vale fan friend last night and he doesn't seem to remember Owen being there although he said he was going then.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 8:47:45 GMT
Sometimes if you have two talented youngsters vying for one position the decision is to fully invest in one and move the other on, or have them both potentially being hampered by a lack of opportunity. I suspect this is one of those occasions.......
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2022 8:49:28 GMT
I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester. Can't say for sure. Souttar definitely but remember Taylor has the benefit of a full season with Bristol. Forrester might also benefit and improve as Taylor did ? It's my opinion though!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 26, 2022 8:51:01 GMT
Like I said you can take or leave it but it came from the same person who has called everything about this right so far. Why would a manager turn on a player <21 years old and refuse to speak to him? There must be a reason if it's true at all? It just doesn't make sense and the context here is who your contact is and what is his or her angle? So there is no picture building that that's what he's like (MON) very similar story told by Ostigaard. He thought he was doing fine then dropped from the team and then the squad no conversation no explanation. Seemingly odd treatment of Edwards, Surridge, Forrester, Doughty, Bursik. I've no idea what it is, non of them are my favorite players just strikes me he washes his hands of players on the basis of rather minor things(you assume if there were serious and persistent breaches of discipline they'd get out, they always do). Seems to be a very old fashioned way of dealing with people but why should I be surprised we're a very old fashioned club.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2022 8:52:30 GMT
I don't agree to him being our best young prospect as he isn't extreme enough, Bayern. I like him and is sad to see him go, but Souttar and Taylor are more dominant players. Much better in the air and stronger too. I'm already a big fan of Taylor, and would keep playing him even if we play with 2 or 3 at the back. At least these two are better players in my opinion, and obviously not only in my opinion as the manager seems to prefer Taylor. It will always be a matter of opinions though, but I will be surprised if Taylor and Souttar won't have better careers than Forrester. All of them should be with us for another 2/3 seasons. I think both him and Taylor have a chance of being better than Souttar. To me it sounds like you don't rate Souttar that much, I might be wrong, but I think if Souttar stays fit he can make the step up to a top 6 club in the PL. Time will tell though no matter what our opinions are.
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