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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 26, 2022 7:37:22 GMT
I can’t remember him playing for us.
Did he make many first team appearances?
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2022 7:37:58 GMT
First direct transfer for 40 years between the two clubs Marc Goodfellow ? No he was a free agent
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 7:41:46 GMT
Who was pushing for it the club or him ? He rejected a new deal weeks ago apparently.. So I’m only presuming it’s him. It’s a ballsy move. I keep getting told this from Vale fans I know but it can't be true can it? It seems he's contracted for another year, he's played 8 games in his senior career and it seems O'Neil is no fan of him. He's 22 next summer, why would we be offering him a new deal?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2022 7:42:34 GMT
I can’t remember him playing for us. Did he make many first team appearances? Didn't he score on his debut season before last?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 26, 2022 7:43:17 GMT
I can’t remember him playing for us. Did he make many first team appearances? Didn't he score on his debut season before last? Oh was that him? The swivel turn and shot in the box? Good goal that.
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Post by themistocles on Jul 26, 2022 7:44:10 GMT
He rejected a new deal weeks ago apparently.. So I’m only presuming it’s him. It’s a ballsy move. I keep getting told this from Vale fans I know but it can't be true can it? It seems he's contracted for another year, he's played 8 games in his senior career and it seems O'Neil is no fan of him. He's 22 next summer, why would we be offering him a new deal? If MON didn't rate him them why did he offer him a new deal?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 7:51:06 GMT
He rejected a new deal weeks ago apparently.. So I’m only presuming it’s him. It’s a ballsy move. I keep getting told this from Vale fans I know but it can't be true can it? It seems he's contracted for another year, he's played 8 games in his senior career and it seems O'Neil is no fan of him. He's 22 next summer, why would we be offering him a new deal? Because he’s the best young defender we have and life goes on past MON?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 7:52:38 GMT
I keep getting told this from Vale fans I know but it can't be true can it? It seems he's contracted for another year, he's played 8 games in his senior career and it seems O'Neil is no fan of him. He's 22 next summer, why would we be offering him a new deal? Because he’s the best young defender we have and life goes on past MON? Best young defender we have? Pull the other one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 7:53:31 GMT
I keep getting told this from Vale fans I know but it can't be true can it? It seems he's contracted for another year, he's played 8 games in his senior career and it seems O'Neil is no fan of him. He's 22 next summer, why would we be offering him a new deal? Because he’s the best young defender we have and life goes on past MON? Yep and Edwards is better than what we have and Verlinden will play for Belgium. 👍
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2022 7:55:34 GMT
According to transfermarkt:
On the bench for the final day of the 19/20 season at Forest
Then 10 times on the bench in 20/21 (plus the debut and goal on the last day)
And 3 starts and twice on the bench last season
(and even those 3 starts in the last 6 games of last season were broken up by him not being in the squad 3 times and subbed off at half-time at Middlesbrough)
From his point of view, there was no prospect of him getting regular minutes, so why wouldn't you go at 21? On a smaller scale, it's similar to these youngsters who are leaving Prem teams for regular game time abroad to get their career up and running, rather than being stuck on the fringes.
Good luck to him, but I haven't seen enough to know what level he'll end up at, or where he stacks up to Connor Taylor, for example. Until he has a stand-out full season in the league like Taylor, you'd have to lean towards him.
It certainly doesn't look like MON was convinced, and Forrester has decided to strike out and try and establish himself in League One. Only time will tell.
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Post by femark on Jul 26, 2022 7:56:28 GMT
Bayern meltdown incoming in 3, 2, 1…….. I knew about it on Sunday! Why didn't you create a thread then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 7:58:25 GMT
Because he’s the best young defender we have and life goes on past MON? Best young defender we have? Pull the other one. He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 7:58:57 GMT
According to transfermarkt: On the bench for the final day of the 19/20 season at Forest Then 10 times on the bench in 20/21 (plus the debut and goal on the last day) And 3 starts and twice on the bench last season (and even those 3 starts in the last 6 games of last season were broken up by him not being in the squad 3 times and subbed off at half-time at Middlesbrough) From his point of view, there was no prospect of him getting regular minutes, so why wouldn't you go at 21? On a smaller scale, it's similar to these youngsters who are leaving Prem teams for regular game time abroad to get their career up and running, rather than being stuck on the fringes. Good luck to him, but I haven't seen enough to know what level he'll end up at, or where he stacks up to Connor Taylor, for example. Until he has a stand-out full season in the league like Taylor, you'd have to lean towards him. It certainly doesn't look like MON was convinced, and Forrester has decided to strike out and try and establish himself in League One. Only time will tell. Agree entirely, and exactly why I question the line coming out of Vale that he's rejected a new deal. Why would we offer him one?
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Post by Goonie on Jul 26, 2022 7:59:03 GMT
Does this mean WE are Vale's feeder club? 🤔☹️😁😡
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 7:59:07 GMT
Best young defender we have? Pull the other one. He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind. Why bad management?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 7:59:31 GMT
I knew about it on Sunday! Why didn't you create a thread then? Because I was told to keep it quiet. So I did. I told FM it was true last night when someone posted it on this thread. Not everything has to be public knowledge.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:00:23 GMT
Because he’s the best young defender we have and life goes on past MON? Yep and Edwards is better than what we have and Verlinden will play for Belgium. 👍 Edwards is much better than what we have.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2022 8:00:52 GMT
Makes sense. Wasn't going to get game time here and about his level at the moment. Only one division below ! I think a loan might of made more sense but seems he wants out. We've got that many centre halves he's way down the pecking order .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:01:23 GMT
He is. This is a big loss and it’s down to very bad management. Never mind. Why bad management? I’ve told you why. You can either believe that or not. It came from the same person who told me about him rejecting a deal and then the move to Vale.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 8:02:41 GMT
I’ve told you why. You can either believe that or not. It came from the same person who told me about him rejecting a deal and then the move to Vale. Is this the not talking to people, semaphore nonsense?
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Post by tomdickorharry on Jul 26, 2022 8:05:15 GMT
Breaking News. Love child going awol.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 26, 2022 8:05:17 GMT
Yep and Edwards is better than what we have and Verlinden will play for Belgium. 👍 Edwards is much better than what we have. You know the score this manager takes against someone and they fall in behind him all of a sudden he's shit.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 8:05:24 GMT
Why didn't you create a thread then? Because I was told to keep it quiet. So I did. I told FM it was true last night when someone posted it on this thread. Not everything has to be public knowledge. It's been public knowledge amongst Vale fans since Sunday...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:05:49 GMT
I’ve told you why. You can either believe that or not. It came from the same person who told me about him rejecting a deal and then the move to Vale. Is this the not talking to people, semaphore nonsense? Like I said you can take or leave it but it came from the same person who has called everything about this right so far.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:06:47 GMT
Because I was told to keep it quiet. So I did. I told FM it was true last night when someone posted it on this thread. Not everything has to be public knowledge. It's been public knowledge amongst Vale fans since Sunday... I didn’t know that. First thing I saw of it publicly was the comment on here last night and that’s when I DM’d FM.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 8:08:00 GMT
Is this the not talking to people, semaphore nonsense? Like I said you can take or leave it but it came from the same person who has called everything about this right so far. Why would a manager turn on a player <21 years old and refuse to speak to him? There must be a reason if it's true at all? It just doesn't make sense and the context here is who your contact is and what is his or her angle?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:11:05 GMT
Like I said you can take or leave it but it came from the same person who has called everything about this right so far. Why would a manager turn on a player <21 years old and refuse to speak to him? There must be a reason if it's true at all? It just doesn't make sense and the context here is who your contact is and what is his or her angle? No angle. They post on here so if they want to say they can.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 26, 2022 8:13:11 GMT
It's been public knowledge amongst Vale fans since Sunday... I didn’t know that. First thing I saw of it publicly was the comment on here last night and that’s when I DM’d FM. Anyway, back to what I originally wanted to know, and I'm not being difficult I'm genuinely being asked by a Vale supporting friend: Does his contract at Stoke run until next summer? Is there any evidence other than someone from the Vale says that we've offered him a new one?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2022 8:16:22 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2022 8:17:07 GMT
I didn’t know that. First thing I saw of it publicly was the comment on here last night and that’s when I DM’d FM. Anyway, back to what I originally wanted to know, and I'm not being difficult I'm genuinely being asked by a Vale supporting friend: Does his contract at Stoke run until next summer? Is there any evidence other than someone from the Vale says that we've offered him a new one? I presume it did. The person that told me isn’t from the Vale so if you believe me there is evidence of that. Obviously it’s not real evidence but I’ve been saying on here for weeks that he rejected a deal based on what he told me!
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