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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 8, 2022 15:37:08 GMT
Maybe you are stronger mentally, others aren't. To say "nobody died" like it's a fact is just completely ignorant. People who suffered historical abuse take their own lives on a regular basis. We can’t change the past only learn lessons from it. The days I remember growing up and in my early working life were unrecognisable to that of today(though I believe bullying to be still quite prevalent even if less overt/physical). I often say I really enjoyed my developing years but would I have wanted it for my Son not on your life. I suppose I do trivialise it all. Maybe it was character building maybe it was just plain criminal. I see no advantage of delving back into most of it. Presumably then, if your son comes to you in 10 years and tells you that at work as "high jinx" someone penetrated him anally and it had effected him ever since, your answer to him would be "No-one died son, move on. No point in delving back into the past, there's a good lad" would it? And that's your foolproof method to ensure we all "learn from" the past? Or is it more a case of it's different if it actually effects someone directly connected to you but for everyone else, fuck 'em?
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Post by Goonie on Jul 8, 2022 15:44:45 GMT
I thought it was about fans complaining about the last 4 seasons
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 15:45:39 GMT
We can’t change the past only learn lessons from it. The days I remember growing up and in my early working life were unrecognisable to that of today(though I believe bullying to be still quite prevalent even if less overt/physical). I often say I really enjoyed my developing years but would I have wanted it for my Son not on your life. I suppose I do trivialise it all. Maybe it was character building maybe it was just plain criminal. I see no advantage of delving back into most of it.Well, YOU might see no advantage in delving back into it. But if a victim has suffered as a consequence of what happened to them many years ago and seeks justice, then there certainly IS an advantage to them in delving back into it. All victims of criminal/sexual abuse deserve justice if they want to pursue it - and ALL perpetrators of criminal/sexual abuse deserve to end up in court and suffer the appropriate punishment if found guilty. There you go, it’s an opinion expressed as one not as a fact. If only everyone was capable of making the same distinction on here. I’ve absolutely no problem with nonces being locked up, fuck me if you want a volunteer to hang them I’m your man but times were different back then and trying to impose todays norms and values on them just doesn’t work.
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Post by Gods on Jul 8, 2022 15:45:47 GMT
Must admit I didn't realise these kind of 'initiation' practices were common place in the pits, army and football as I have learned from this thread.
Based on anecdotal evidence I have heard down the years I had seen them as more rugby club, public school, collegiate.
But sounds like it is, or was, across the board, spanning any class divide.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 15:51:37 GMT
We can’t change the past only learn lessons from it. The days I remember growing up and in my early working life were unrecognisable to that of today(though I believe bullying to be still quite prevalent even if less overt/physical). I often say I really enjoyed my developing years but would I have wanted it for my Son not on your life. I suppose I do trivialise it all. Maybe it was character building maybe it was just plain criminal. I see no advantage of delving back into most of it. Presumably then, if your son comes to you in 10 years and tells you that at work as "high jinx" someone penetrated him anally and it had effected him ever since, your answer to him would be "No-one died son, move on. No point in delving back into the past, there's a good lad" would it? And that's your foolproof method to ensure we all "learn from" the past? Or is it more a case of it's different if it actually effects someone directly connected to you but for everyone else, fuck 'em? Not at all I’d be supportive that’s my job. I’d also be extremely confused as to why he’d left it 10 years to try to deal with it. I have an inherent suspicion of someone who waits years to reveal abuse and try to deal with it. I’m not sure I’d advise the legal route to My Son in such circumstances. That’s not to say the perpetrator might not disappear from the face of the earth.
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Post by Orbs on Jul 8, 2022 15:52:23 GMT
I’m asking about Wedgewood - what happened there that was worse than having a fingered glove covered in deep heat up your arse? Why are you thinking of applying for a job there Ok. So we’ve established you’ve no idea what happened at Wedgewood. Good stuff. 👍🏻
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 8, 2022 16:00:30 GMT
Why are you thinking of applying for a job there Ok. So we’ve established you’ve no idea what happened at Wedgewood. Good stuff. 👍🏻 Chill out bud
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 16:01:03 GMT
Must admit I didn't realise these kind of 'initiation' practices were common place in the pits, army and football as I have learned from this thread. Based on anecdotal evidence I have heard down the years I had seen them as more rugby club, public school, collegiate. But sounds like it is, or was, across the board, spanning any class divide. It really was endemic factories, even army cadets in my experience. I recall on camp in the latter if someone pissed of the rest off the billet they’d have their bollox blacked with boot polish. I don’t think anyone at the time even realised there was any connotation of sexual abuse to it at all, in fact to claim such a thing would have been laughed at.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 16:05:14 GMT
I used to work with a gal who always squeezed your arse. If you reported her would be laughed at. What a fucking daft comment. Trivialising abuse of others stops it being reported and perpetuates abusive behaviour. No one is trivialising anything. . I think you missed a very simple point which is kind of ironic.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 8, 2022 16:15:37 GMT
Presumably then, if your son comes to you in 10 years and tells you that at work as "high jinx" someone penetrated him anally and it had effected him ever since, your answer to him would be "No-one died son, move on. No point in delving back into the past, there's a good lad" would it? And that's your foolproof method to ensure we all "learn from" the past? Or is it more a case of it's different if it actually effects someone directly connected to you but for everyone else, fuck 'em? Not at all I’d be supportive that’s my job. I’d also be extremely confused as to why he’d left it 10 years to try to deal with it. I have an inherent suspicion of someone who waits years to reveal abuse and try to deal with it. I’m not sure I’d advise the legal route to My Son in such circumstances. That’s not to say the perpetrator might not disappear from the face of the earth. Maybe it was left 10 years because there are people to this day saying nobody died, live with it? This happened in 1986. I'm not sure when sticking your finger up someone's arse without their consent was first considered an abusive act but I'm pretty sure it was before then and having been there "back in the day" I'm also pretty sure it wasn't considered something anyone should have to put up with even then. Apart from apologists for abusers in positions of power. The "back in the day defence" is an abusers dream - doesn't matter what abuse your perpetrate it's fine because - guess what - it happened back in the day. And nobody died. So all's good. What can I get away with next?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 8, 2022 16:27:13 GMT
Well, YOU might see no advantage in delving back into it. But if a victim has suffered as a consequence of what happened to them many years ago and seeks justice, then there certainly IS an advantage to them in delving back into it. All victims of criminal/sexual abuse deserve justice if they want to pursue it - and ALL perpetrators of criminal/sexual abuse deserve to end up in court and suffer the appropriate punishment if found guilty. There you go, it’s an opinion expressed as one not as a fact. If only everyone was capable of making the same distinction on here. I’ve absolutely no problem with nonces being locked up, fuck me if you want a volunteer to hang them I’m your man but times were different back then and trying to impose todays norms and values on them just doesn’t work. Sorry that’s absolute bollocks. If anyone forcefully stuck their finger up one of my kids rectums I’d be looking for justice even if it was 100 years ago. Fucking depraved and heinous. I don’t recollect us collectively accepting kids been anally penetrated against their will 30 years ago. It’s inexcusable whenever it happened
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 8, 2022 16:29:06 GMT
What a fucking daft comment. Trivialising abuse of others stops it being reported and perpetuates abusive behaviour. No one is trivialising anything. . I think you missed a very simple point which is kind of ironic. I'm calling bullshit
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 16:36:22 GMT
Not at all I’d be supportive that’s my job. I’d also be extremely confused as to why he’d left it 10 years to try to deal with it. I have an inherent suspicion of someone who waits years to reveal abuse and try to deal with it. I’m not sure I’d advise the legal route to My Son in such circumstances. That’s not to say the perpetrator might not disappear from the face of the earth. Maybe it was left 10 years because there are people to this day saying nobody died, live with it? This happened in 1986. I'm not sure when sticking your finger up someone's arse without their consent was first considered an abusive act but I'm pretty sure it was before then and having been there "back in the day" I'm also pretty sure it wasn't considered something anyone should have to put up with even then. Apart from apologists for abusers in positions of power. The "back in the day defence" is an abusers dream - doesn't matter what abuse your perpetrate it's fine because - guess what - it happened back in the day. And nobody died. So all's good. What can I get away with next? I’m not saying it’s right and you’re wrong it’s just my take on it. I lived through it all and was comfortable with it. I live in the world as it is today and am comfortable with that too. People did things back in the day that were in hindsight clearly over the top bullying, some of the acts also in hindsight had a sexual connotation which I can’t say I saw at the time. Whether the perpetrators realised the sexual abuse element at the time I couldn’t really tell you. I just thought of it as bullying which was very widespread.
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Post by Orbs on Jul 8, 2022 16:40:42 GMT
Ok. So we’ve established you’ve no idea what happened at Wedgewood. Good stuff. 👍🏻 Chill out bud I’m fine thanks 👍🏻
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 16:44:13 GMT
There you go, it’s an opinion expressed as one not as a fact. If only everyone was capable of making the same distinction on here. I’ve absolutely no problem with nonces being locked up, fuck me if you want a volunteer to hang them I’m your man but times were different back then and trying to impose todays norms and values on them just doesn’t work. Sorry that’s absolute bollocks. If anyone forcefully stuck their finger up one of my kids rectums I’d be looking for justice even if it was 100 years ago. Fucking depraved and heinous. I don’t recollect us collectively accepting kids been anally penetrated against their will 30 years ago. It’s inexcusable whenever it happened I’ve already acknowledged for me there’d have to be a reckoning. It wouldn’t involve the courts or the media lest of all money but it would happen.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 8, 2022 17:09:53 GMT
When the hell was our ex physio from the time put on the bloody sex offenders list?
Also, the cynic in me makes me wonder why he waited until 2008 to go public about this. Merely coincidence that the club had become awash with cash after two decades of being skint. Who would pay his compensation if some were granted, out of interest?
And finally, I believe the bloke. I’m just suspicious of his motives.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 8, 2022 17:19:30 GMT
Presumably then, if your son comes to you in 10 years and tells you that at work as "high jinx" someone penetrated him anally and it had effected him ever since, your answer to him would be "No-one died son, move on. No point in delving back into the past, there's a good lad" would it? And that's your foolproof method to ensure we all "learn from" the past? Or is it more a case of it's different if it actually effects someone directly connected to you but for everyone else, fuck 'em? Not at all I’d be supportive that’s my job. I’d also be extremely confused as to why he’d left it 10 years to try to deal with it. I have an inherent suspicion of someone who waits years to reveal abuse and try to deal with it. I’m not sure I’d advise the legal route to My Son in such circumstances. That’s not to say the perpetrator might not disappear from the face of the earth. It happens remarkably often. There could be many reasons - sometimes people take a long time to process and come to terms with traumatic events. Sometimes they can't face the intrusive and pretty obnoxious interrogation they know they will get from the defendant's legal team. And, of course, in today's climate where only about 3% of rape cases get a conviction a lot of women must simply wonder what is the point of putting themselves through a court case when the chances of their attacker being convicted is less than 25 to 1. Having said that I do accept that these current allegations are not about rape per se. My advice if ever you are called for jury service in a case involving alleged sexual behaviour is to try not to be inherently suspicious of someone who alleges abuse many years in the past. As a juror the last thing you are supposed to be is suspicious of the accuser before the case has even started - much better to keep an open mind and let the evidence decide the case. If you can't do that, best to tell the court at the start and be excused from the case.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 17:43:56 GMT
Not at all I’d be supportive that’s my job. I’d also be extremely confused as to why he’d left it 10 years to try to deal with it. I have an inherent suspicion of someone who waits years to reveal abuse and try to deal with it. I’m not sure I’d advise the legal route to My Son in such circumstances. That’s not to say the perpetrator might not disappear from the face of the earth. It happens remarkably often. There could be many reasons - sometimes people take a long time to process and come to terms with traumatic events. Sometimes they can't face the intrusive and pretty obnoxious interrogation they know they will get from the defendant's legal team. And, of course, in today's climate where only about 3% of rape cases get a conviction a lot of women must simply wonder what is the point of putting themselves through a court case when the chances of their attacker being convicted is less than 25 to 1. Having said that I do accept that these current allegations are not about rape per se. My advice if ever you are called for jury service in a case involving alleged sexual behaviour is to try not to be inherently suspicious of someone who alleges abuse many years in the past. As a juror the last thing you are supposed to be is suspicious of the accuser before the case has even started - much better to keep an open mind and let the evidence decide the case. If you can't do that, best to tell the court at the start and be excused from the case. TBF I wouldn’t feel the need to do that I’m aware of my prejudices and proven to be able to operate evenly despite of them. I’ve dealt with things and people I have prejudice against for 25 years in public service and not fallen foul of the rules as they are or as they were. There’s no need to lecture me on court proceedings, given your own professional background(we’ve discussed it previously HMRC if I remember correctly) and mine I’d be pretty confident I’ve spent more time in them than yourself or the vast majority if not all police officers. I know how they work and how to work within them. It’s a real shame that people aren’t able to give honest opinions without being disqualified from life.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 8, 2022 17:49:19 GMT
It happens remarkably often. There could be many reasons - sometimes people take a long time to process and come to terms with traumatic events. Sometimes they can't face the intrusive and pretty obnoxious interrogation they know they will get from the defendant's legal team. And, of course, in today's climate where only about 3% of rape cases get a conviction a lot of women must simply wonder what is the point of putting themselves through a court case when the chances of their attacker being convicted is less than 25 to 1. Having said that I do accept that these current allegations are not about rape per se. My advice if ever you are called for jury service in a case involving alleged sexual behaviour is to try not to be inherently suspicious of someone who alleges abuse many years in the past. As a juror the last thing you are supposed to be is suspicious of the accuser before the case has even started - much better to keep an open mind and let the evidence decide the case. If you can't do that, best to tell the court at the start and be excused from the case. TBF I wouldn’t feel the need to do that I’m aware of my prejudices and proven to be able to operate evenly despite of them. I’ve dealt with things and people I have prejudice against for 25 years in public service and not fallen foul of the rules as they are or as they were. There’s no need to lecture me on court proceedings, given your own professional background(we’ve discussed it previously HMRC if I remember correctly) and mine I’d be pretty confident I’ve spent more time in them than yourself or the vast majority if not all police officers. I know how they work and how to work within them. It’s a real shame that people aren’t able to give honest opinions without being disqualified from life.Dunner be daft. I've never said you are not entitled to your opinion - I just reserve the right to argue with that opinion if I don't agree with it! Thankfully we are still a free enough society to be able to argue in public without the secret police smashing in our front doors and hauling us off in the middle of the night!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 17:58:04 GMT
TBF I wouldn’t feel the need to do that I’m aware of my prejudices and proven to be able to operate evenly despite of them. I’ve dealt with things and people I have prejudice against for 25 years in public service and not fallen foul of the rules as they are or as they were. There’s no need to lecture me on court proceedings, given your own professional background(we’ve discussed it previously HMRC if I remember correctly) and mine I’d be pretty confident I’ve spent more time in them than yourself or the vast majority if not all police officers. I know how they work and how to work within them. It’s a real shame that people aren’t able to give honest opinions without being disqualified from life.Dunner be daft. I've never said you are not entitled to your opinion - I just reserve the right to argue with that opinion if I don't agree with it! Thankfully we are still a free enough society to be able to argue in public without the secret police smashing in our front doors and hauling us off in the middle of the night! Every single person sitting in there has prejudicial views without exception even the beak. They might keep them under wraps far more tightly especially more so than someone who’s retired and no longer needs to providing it stays on the right side of the law.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 8, 2022 18:12:24 GMT
When the hell was our ex physio from the time put on the bloody sex offenders list? Also, the cynic in me makes me wonder why he waited until 2008 to go public about this. Merely coincidence that the club had become awash with cash after two decades of being skint. Who would pay his compensation if some were granted, out of interest? And finally, I believe the bloke. I’m just suspicious of his motives. Yep I was suprised about Keith Rowley being on the offenders list myself, never made the news to my knowledge and I'm 99% sure he was even given a picture slot on the memorial board feature on the big screen following his death a year or so ago! Shocking really with that revelation in the article. A physio with them tendencies ingrained into a football club in the 80's would of been a wrongun's paradise! As for the waiting to bring these issues out into the open. For the exact details listed in this article I'd say, even at a civil hearing the complainant was kind of believed, but outnumbered by alleged offenders who were singing off the same hymn sheet so was deemed to be not being factual in his exact account, that kind of reaction and outcome certainly wouldn't encourage you to come forward when you get labelled a lier by association and being over dramatic. Seeing the likes of Paul Stewart and the other Man City players come forward when they did, its certainly not about financial reward, its about breaking free from the horrors and violations they've been carrying around with them for all the years without being able to do anything about it. I honestly don't think even a large financial package would ever get anywhere near compensating these poor lads that were abused in the youth stages of their footy careers. I gather Blackstock has tried on numerous occasions to get his story told and believed and fair play to him for having the conviction to seek justice for the harm he had to encounter. Its far easier to stay mute than to speak out, especially about something as degrading as his account details. I can't even begin to believe that my boyhood hero's were capable of doing such acts nevermind comprehend them doing them to lads who would of been around the same age as me at that time when I used to stand on the terraces watching them. But on reflection, if they were, they weren't initiation rituals, it's sounds like they were done as punishments. Not saying one is right and one is wrong, far from it, but joiningnnew club rituals are generally accepted and are things that have always happened when players joined new clubs. Doing something as a punishment is pure bullying and clearly crosses the line even before the events taken place as it's premeditated. Noel Blake used to make plenty of mistakes on the pitch, I can't imagine he was ever subjected to such events! The young and impressionable and lads who had something to prove were sadly clearly fair game! On reflection, had I been at Stoke and subjected to the 'exact' events described would I have spoken out at the time, no probably not, I'd of likely just accepted it as something that happened and all before me had gone through the same. Now times have changed would I speak out now and assist this investigation, yes I firmly believe I would, if hadn't already done so. High jinx and having a laugh is one thing, the details of the events involved are just wrong on all levels
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Post by madnellie on Jul 8, 2022 18:44:37 GMT
Is there anything sexual? Yes, the banana in the arse sounds quite sexual. If they wanted to do something that wasn’t sexual, there are plenty of ways to beat up/humiliate a young person. “A power play that has gone too far”, nope if true, it was sexual assault. Edit: it’s also this kind of crap that makes me laugh at statements about society never being worse etc. That couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that so much more was left underreported and worse, swept under the rug. well yes a banana up the arse is overtly sexual but was it done for sexual perks or as a display of power for the abuser and humiliation for the victim is the question? im more leaning to the second one like the old pink arse punishment routine where players would bend over bare cheeks on show and have penalties blasted at the arse for transgressions, is there a sexual element too it, yes, but was it done for sexual thrills, no! its using sexuality as a tool of embarrassment maybe im completely being naïve about this and trying to ignore the worst but i refuse to believe every single dressing room was full of sexual predators who were all closeted homosexuals with an interest in young boys Sexual assaults (which is what both this and the Glove are) are very rarely about sex and almost always about power. Either way it has the same impact on the victims.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 8, 2022 18:46:53 GMT
Maybe it was left 10 years because there are people to this day saying nobody died, live with it? This happened in 1986. I'm not sure when sticking your finger up someone's arse without their consent was first considered an abusive act but I'm pretty sure it was before then and having been there "back in the day" I'm also pretty sure it wasn't considered something anyone should have to put up with even then. Apart from apologists for abusers in positions of power. The "back in the day defence" is an abusers dream - doesn't matter what abuse your perpetrate it's fine because - guess what - it happened back in the day. And nobody died. So all's good. What can I get away with next? I’m not saying it’s right and you’re wrong it’s just my take on it. I lived through it all and was comfortable with it. I live in the world as it is today and am comfortable with that too. People did things back in the day that were in hindsight clearly over the top bullying, some of the acts also in hindsight had a sexual connotation which I can’t say I saw at the time. Whether the perpetrators realised the sexual abuse element at the time I couldn’t really tell you. I just thought of it as bullying which was very widespread. Sorry but when it comes to this topic you clearly don't have a clue.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 18:49:33 GMT
I’m not saying it’s right and you’re wrong it’s just my take on it. I lived through it all and was comfortable with it. I live in the world as it is today and am comfortable with that too. People did things back in the day that were in hindsight clearly over the top bullying, some of the acts also in hindsight had a sexual connotation which I can’t say I saw at the time. Whether the perpetrators realised the sexual abuse element at the time I couldn’t really tell you. I just thought of it as bullying which was very widespread. Sorry but when it comes to this topic you clearly don't have a clue. Why because I don’t think what you think?
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Post by madnellie on Jul 8, 2022 18:52:56 GMT
Sorry but when it comes to this topic you clearly don't have a clue. Why because I don’t think what you think? No, because what you're saying isn't factual. It's not personal. You can think what you want, that's absolutely up to you but it doesn't mean it's correct and shouldn't be challenged. We already know why people wait years to report sexual abuse. The studies are all out there.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 8, 2022 18:54:18 GMT
When the hell was our ex physio from the time put on the bloody sex offenders list? Also, the cynic in me makes me wonder why he waited until 2008 to go public about this. Merely coincidence that the club had become awash with cash after two decades of being skint. Who would pay his compensation if some were granted, out of interest? And finally, I believe the bloke. I’m just suspicious of his motives. Yep I was suprised about Keith Rowley being on the offenders list myself, never made the news to my knowledge and I'm 99% sure he was even given a picture slot on the memorial board feature on the big screen following his death a year or so ago! Shocking really with that revelation in the article. A physio with them tendencies ingrained into a football club in the 80's would of been a wrongun's paradise! As for the waiting to bring these issues out into the open. For the exact details listed in this article I'd say, even at a civil hearing the complainant was kind of believed, but outnumbered by alleged offenders who were singing off the same hymn sheet so was deemed to be not being factual in his exact account, that kind of reaction and outcome certainly wouldn't encourage you to come forward when you get labelled a lier by association and being over dramatic. Seeing the likes of Paul Stewart and the other Man City players come forward when they did, its certainly not about financial reward, its about breaking free from the horrors and violations they've been carrying around with them for all the years without being able to do anything about it. I honestly don't think even a large financial package would ever get anywhere near compensating these poor lads that were abused in the youth stages of their footy careers. I gather Blackstock has tried on numerous occasions to get his story told and believed and fair play to him for having the conviction to seek justice for the harm he had to encounter. Its far easier to stay mute than to speak out, especially about something as degrading as his account details. I can't even begin to believe that my boyhood hero's were capable of doing such acts nevermind comprehend them doing them to lads who would of been around the same age as me at that time when I used to stand on the terraces watching them. But on reflection, if they were, they weren't initiation rituals, it's sounds like they were done as punishments. Not saying one is right and one is wrong, far from it, but joiningnnew club rituals are generally accepted and are things that have always happened when players joined new clubs. Doing something as a punishment is pure bullying and clearly crosses the line even before the events taken place as it's premeditated. Noel Blake used to make plenty of mistakes on the pitch, I can't imagine he was ever subjected to such events! The young and impressionable and lads who had something to prove were sadly clearly fair game! On reflection, had I been at Stoke and subjected to the 'exact' events described would I have spoken out at the time, no probably not, I'd of likely just accepted it as something that happened and all before me had gone through the same. Now times have changed would I speak out now and assist this investigation, yes I firmly believe I would, if hadn't already done so. High jinx and having a laugh is one thing, the details of the events involved are just wrong on all levels It hurts doesn't it. Foxy lived near me when I was a kid. Absolutely loved the bloke.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 8, 2022 18:55:26 GMT
Horse play!! In any era this sort of thing is a brutal assault, back in the day it may have been more prevalent but it was always a brutal assault. Absolute nonsense that’s just judging past events by the standards of today. All manner of shit was fairly routine in schools and workplaces back in the day. Most teachers at my school would be behind bars nowadays and workplace experiences right up until the 90’s would lead to the same venue. Times and standards have changed markedly nobody died let sleeping dogs lie. Are you serious???? I fully accept that times changes and I am not one for slaughtering some old dear for using language that was commonplace in her youth. However, cruelty and abuse are cruelty and abuse. Many of my teachers in the 60's & 70's routinely used corporal punishment but some of them were overly cruel and vindictive which was beyond the mark then and now.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 8, 2022 19:06:40 GMT
Absolute nonsense that’s just judging past events by the standards of today. All manner of shit was fairly routine in schools and workplaces back in the day. Most teachers at my school would be behind bars nowadays and workplace experiences right up until the 90’s would lead to the same venue. Times and standards have changed markedly nobody died let sleeping dogs lie. Are you serious???? I fully accept that times changes and I am not one for slaughtering some old dear for using language that was commonplace in her youth. However, cruelty and abuse are cruelty and abuse. Many of my teachers in the 60's & 70's routinely used corporal punishment but some of them were overly cruel and vindictive which was beyond the mark then and now. It was but back when you told your dad (if he wasn't in the pub) he'd tell you to get on with it so you did, there is no doubt that some would be affected for life and it wasn't right but back then we didn't have help lines or social services willing to listen, well from my upbringing anyway.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 8, 2022 19:23:08 GMT
Are you serious???? I fully accept that times changes and I am not one for slaughtering some old dear for using language that was commonplace in her youth. However, cruelty and abuse are cruelty and abuse. Many of my teachers in the 60's & 70's routinely used corporal punishment but some of them were overly cruel and vindictive which was beyond the mark then and now. It was but back when you told your dad (if he wasn't in the pub) he'd tell you to get on with it so you did, there is no doubt that some would be affected for life and it wasn't right but back then we didn't have help lines or social services willing to listen, well from my upbringing anyway. Strange child you told your Dad things everyone knew that was a waste of time, he’d most likely give you another thrashing.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 8, 2022 19:35:30 GMT
It was but back when you told your dad (if he wasn't in the pub) he'd tell you to get on with it so you did, there is no doubt that some would be affected for life and it wasn't right but back then we didn't have help lines or social services willing to listen, well from my upbringing anyway. Strange child you told your Dad things everyone knew that was a waste of time, he’d most likely give you another thrashing. Sad but true! It really was different back then for some.
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