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Post by Gods on May 23, 2022 19:46:20 GMT
So O'Neill gets it because he was in Scotland recovering from his hip operation for the semi final. People saying he should be showing more of an interest in the 23s. Now for the final it's his fault for a poor performance. He is in charge of the team and tactics. I'm not overly impressed with 0'Neill and on balance think he should have gone but that's just nonsense. Who’s blaming MON? Big Bong higher up.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 19:51:52 GMT
Unless they have changed tonight (I'm not watching) they don't even play the same shape as the first team. Back three with wing backs and one up top, its pretty similar. Fair enough, like I said I'm not watching. I just think there is a lot to blame O'Neill for, but not this.
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Post by tqstokie on May 23, 2022 19:52:56 GMT
Same malaise as the first team too much sideways and backwards and not quick enough.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 23, 2022 19:53:42 GMT
Don't watch enough of this level to make any sort of valid judgement but Taylor and Norton have both improved us since they come on. Did Rooster pick the wrong side?
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2022 19:55:00 GMT
Question is , is your glass half full because we made the final against an above average Prem Club or half empty because we made a horlicks of it?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2022 19:55:57 GMT
Question is , is your glass half full because we made the final against an above average Prem Club or half empty because we made a horlicks of it?! Neither. The point of this team is to development good footballers for the first team and I think it will do that.
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2022 19:56:01 GMT
Back three with wing backs and one up top, its pretty similar. Fair enough, like I said I'm not watching. I just think there is a lot to blame O'Neill for, but not this. If someone is going to blame MON for their performance tonight then presumably they'll also be praising him for getting them to a play off final?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 23, 2022 19:58:08 GMT
Back three with wing backs and one up top, its pretty similar. Fair enough, like I said I'm not watching. I just think there is a lot to blame O'Neill for, but not this. I'm not blaming him, I was just commenting that he would have an influence. Its been a decent season for the U23s, let themselves down a little today though.
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2022 19:58:14 GMT
Fair enough, like I said I'm not watching. I just think there is a lot to blame O'Neill for, but not this. If someone is going to blame MON for their performance tonight then presumably they'll also be praising him for getting them to a play off final? Kind of my point above.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 23, 2022 20:00:55 GMT
Just leaving. It was like watching the first team which is very sad - was hoping for a bit more effort and maybe even blind enthusiasm
Dont want to be to hard on the U23's but there was nothing there - no one stood out
Special mention to DWP - he pulled out of every challenge pretty much
Tezgel didnt do anything
Tops of our season frankly
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 23, 2022 20:01:02 GMT
DWP certainly didn't shine as we might have expected. Very poor showing from him.
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2022 20:01:14 GMT
The piece of the puzzle I don't understand is would it be a great thing to get promoted?
Would it open up a whole new raft of promising youngsters keen to sign or would it simply mean the team gets absolutely rinsed every week?
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Post by andystokey on May 23, 2022 20:02:07 GMT
better 2nd half but Wolves were better organised and we couldn't break them down.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 23, 2022 20:14:54 GMT
At least this might stop the loonies and simply misguided calling for wholesale player elevations from this level to the first team.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 20:15:11 GMT
Just leaving. It was like watching the first team which is very sad - was hoping for a bit more effort and maybe even blind enthusiasm Dont want to be to hard on the U23's but there was nothing there - no one stood out Special mention to DWP - he pulled out of every challenge pretty much Tezgel didnt do anything Tops of our season frankly Tezgel is 16, he isn't even training full-time yet. The expectations on the lad are ridiculous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2022 20:16:04 GMT
At least this might stop the loonies and simply misguided calling for wholesale player elevations from this level to the first team. Who suggests that? 😂
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 23, 2022 20:17:26 GMT
At least this might stop the loonies and simply misguided calling for wholesale player elevations from this level to the first team. Who suggests that? 😂 Don’t you ever read this board? 😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2022 20:19:35 GMT
Don’t you ever read this board? 😉 I do. I don’t see people suggesting mass promotions of the u23s seriously.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 23, 2022 20:21:08 GMT
Just leaving. It was like watching the first team which is very sad - was hoping for a bit more effort and maybe even blind enthusiasm Dont want to be to hard on the U23's but there was nothing there - no one stood out Special mention to DWP - he pulled out of every challenge pretty much Tezgel didnt do anything Tops of our season frankly Tezgel is 16, he isn't even training full-time yet. The expectations on the lad are ridiculous. Absolutely More a observation rather than a criticism He may or may not be a cracking player but he needs time to develop
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2022 20:25:19 GMT
The piece of the puzzle I don't understand is would it be a great thing to get promoted? Would it open up a whole new raft of promising youngsters keen to sign or would it simply mean the team gets absolutely rinsed every week? It gets players used to winning apart from anything else. I'd much rather that than used to losing games like this, which appears to be the case, two years running now. Yes, they might get rinsed every week in the top division or they might rise to the challenge and the club might attract better youngsters. Either way, it's better than what we've just done.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 23, 2022 20:29:04 GMT
DWP has had 1.5 good games for the first team but his other games at the club I've seen he's been bang average.
My main worry is how far technically we are behind Wolves. No surprise as I've rarely seen us show passing patterns at most levels from first team down. They invest umpteen times mire into their youth set up. It showed.
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Post by march4 on May 23, 2022 20:31:59 GMT
Never mind - good experience for a lot of young players.
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2022 20:34:18 GMT
Never mind - good experience for a lot of young players. It's that simple
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Post by stokecitydom on May 23, 2022 20:47:18 GMT
DWP has had 1.5 good games for the first team but his other games at the club I've seen he's been bang average. My main worry is how far technically we are behind Wolves. No surprise as I've rarely seen us show passing patterns at most levels from first team down. They invest umpteen times mire into their youth set up. It showed. Hull & Fulham. Some of the comments about him on here are way over the top. He may or may not have a decent career, but as it stands he’s a long way from cementing a spot in our first 11.
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Post by liathroid on May 23, 2022 20:52:16 GMT
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2022 20:53:31 GMT
If someone is going to blame MON for their performance tonight then presumably they'll also be praising him for getting them to a play off final? Kind of my point above. Indeed. Which you posted whilst I was typing mine.
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2022 20:55:21 GMT
Just got back. We were outplayed and comprehensively defeated. We showed very little moving forward. Disappointing.
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Post by callas12 on May 23, 2022 21:14:05 GMT
Just got back. We were outplayed and comprehensively defeated. We showed very little moving forward. Disappointing. Yep agree. Reminded me of the Sunderland play off game last season, was expecting so much more but just didn't turn up and perform when it mattered. Wolves definitely looked far more up for it than Stoke did this evening & no complaints on the right result on the night being achieved by them although sadly they were rarely threatened & didn't have to move out of 1st gear.. Just wondering if credit should be given to Kevin Russell for getting the U23's to 2x consecutive play offs & allow him to continue in post or whether the fact we've been in the play offs twice with no promotion to show for it means it's time for a change in that department?!
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2022 21:21:09 GMT
Just got back. We were outplayed and comprehensively defeated. We showed very little moving forward. Disappointing. Yep agree. Reminded me of the Sunderland play off game last season, was expecting so much more but just didn't turn up and perform when it mattered. Wolves definitely looked far more up for it than Stoke did this evening & no complaints on the right result on the night being achieved by them although sadly they were rarely threatened & didn't have to move out of 1st gear.. Just wondering if credit should be given to Kevin Russell for getting the U23's to 2x consecutive play offs & allow him to continue in post or whether the fact we've been in the play offs twice with no promotion to show for it means it's time for a change in that department?! There were some very young players in our side, but I was looking for a lot more from Forrester and Wright Phillips in particular. For two players with first team experience they should be head and shoulders above the rest, but they were both disappointing. Sparrow at right back was calamitous at times, their left winger roasted him and both goals came from crosses from that side of the pitch. The only two who looked anything like were Jones and Goodwin.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 23, 2022 21:23:27 GMT
I don't know what to make of DWP.
Is he a legitimate first team squad option next year, or not?
After that breakthrough performance at Hull, and the lively display against Fulham it did go very quiet.
He's only 20, but you wonder what the next step is for him?
A loan? If so, at what level?
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