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Post by a on May 8, 2022 9:13:26 GMT
No shit? I always remember them being available for the gen pop. Wonder why it stopped, and do many other clubs not publish them? No idea re other clubs tbh It's something supporters are keen to see, they should state the numbers I suppose it’s entirely up to the club whether they do or don’t but yes I’d be interested as I’m sure many others are too, it would be a good indication of support, probably the best indicator actually.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2022 9:14:12 GMT
Our setup isn’t that different from Man U though we do have owners who do genuinly love the club. It doesn’t take long for the rot to set in. Like Liverpool with Klopp it can be turned around with the right apt.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 9:14:22 GMT
Apathy soon dissipates over the summer but this summer's recruitment is massive to give fans some hope.
If we start next season playing the same turgid stuff we finished with the atmosphere will get toxic very quickly.
Even the more moderate fans like myself who are prepared to give O'Neill one last chance are wavering. I certainly am.
The squad is massively unbalanced. We have some good players but some glaring deficiencies.
Most of all we need a plan of how we intend to play with recruitment to fit that plan.
For me the early signs are good that O'Neill is learning. I feared we would offer extensions to a lot of the old guard but think that is looking unlikely now. It seems Smith, Allen, Vrancic, Fletcher and Chester may all leave.
A new contact for Powell and a few decent early signings that we can get behind will soon lift the mood.
I am not overly confident the manager will get it right but resigned to the fact that he is going nowhere for now. So come on O'Neill prove us all wrong and show us that you are the man to take us forward.
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Post by adamsson on May 8, 2022 9:18:13 GMT
The comparison between our supporters and Coventry’s after the final whistle showed the scale of our issues. They are a club looking forwards with enthusiasm while we are decaying towards relegation. They have had an almost identical season to us with a good start and then fading away to midtable only difference is the fans expectations.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 8, 2022 9:20:38 GMT
MON was brought in to stave off relegation after the disastrous Mad Nathan and Rowett debacles. He achieved this and was then tasked with off loading our players still on premier wages and those signed by Rowett also on high wages. To do this he has brought in youngsters, loanees and older heads in order to reduce our wage bill. It’s been a mixture of success and failures in terms of doing this but has left us with some very mediocre players not helped of course by a string of injuries to key players. So now the slate is relatively clean and I think fans need to get behind him over the close season and hopefully, with some decent signings over the summer and offloading of players not up to what is required, next season could see a step change in performance and us challenging for play offs. Booing individual players on the pitch really isn’t helping. I do recall reading on here after MON was appointed that it would take 4-5 seasons to properly turn things around given the mess we were in. Well we’re 3 seasons in and in my opinion going in the right direction be it slowly. You’re taking the piss surely , and if it carry’s on there will be just you and pigeons watching the shit , dire football on show
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2022 9:22:23 GMT
The comparison between our supporters and Coventry’s after the final whistle showed the scale of our issues. They are a club looking forwards with enthusiasm while we are decaying towards relegation. They have had an almost identical season to us with a good start and then fading away to midtable only difference is the fans expectations. They were still chasing the top six until a couple of weeks ago, whereas our chase was over in February. This is only their second season in this division following promotion and they have made big improvements on last season. They are a lot closer to being a really good side in this league than we are.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 8, 2022 9:38:22 GMT
MON was brought in to stave off relegation after the disastrous Mad Nathan and Rowett debacles. He achieved this and was then tasked with off loading our players still on premier wages and those signed by Rowett also on high wages. To do this he has brought in youngsters, loanees and older heads in order to reduce our wage bill. It’s been a mixture of success and failures in terms of doing this but has left us with some very mediocre players not helped of course by a string of injuries to key players. So now the slate is relatively clean and I think fans need to get behind him over the close season and hopefully, with some decent signings over the summer and offloading of players not up to what is required, next season could see a step change in performance and us challenging for play offs. Booing individual players on the pitch really isn’t helping. I do recall reading on here after MON was appointed that it would take 4-5 seasons to properly turn things around given the mess we were in. Well we’re 3 seasons in and in my opinion going in the right direction be it slowly. You’re taking the piss surely , and if it carry’s on there will be just you and pigeons watching the shit , dire football on show It’s an opinion and if it turns out wrong then fair enough. I’ve been a Stoke fan for 60 years and seen ups, downs and downright plummets. But two things I’ve learned from that is to temper my own expectations but also, particularly over the 14 years, the expectation of Stoke fans with few exceptions far exceeds the clubs achievements. I agree with you re the dire football and performances but, as I said, we have had to replaced premier league quality with some mediocre players and suffered some long-term injuries to key players. I will give MON another season and if there is no meaningful improvement then that is the time to look for a replacement.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 8, 2022 9:41:54 GMT
There’s been a malaise around the club since the season when Hughes should have got the sack and you had the likes of Glen Johnson, Charlie Adam etc. treating the place like a country club piss up for the boys.
The whole club stinks and will continue to do so until the owners either accept that it’s no longer 1958 and employ some modern football people or sell it.
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Post by wuzza on May 8, 2022 9:55:21 GMT
I feel the way we play engenders apathy especially at home - it certainly doesn’t get people on their feet (other than the away fans). As someone pointed out yesterday the best way to describe the style of football is ‘passive’. Fumbling around waiting for something to happen. Everything depends on a more aggressive and proactive set of players being gathered and tactics being changed accordingly. Much as I am in favour of MON having another season to prove the building blocks that have been put in place on and off the park can be made to work I do feel he is going to have to eat a bit of humble pie and shelve some of the principles he seems to hold about the way the game is played at this level. Basically the public needs something to get excited about.
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Post by bagnallboothen on May 8, 2022 10:07:15 GMT
The comparison between our supporters and Coventry’s after the final whistle showed the scale of our issues. They are a club looking forwards with enthusiasm while we are decaying towards relegation. They have had an almost identical season to us with a good start and then fading away to midtable only difference is the fans expectations. They've recently come from league one ... ??
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Post by FullerMagic on May 8, 2022 10:27:12 GMT
Just thinking back, we came 12th in the Binary Season, then came 13th the following season under Bossie in 05-06
We regularly fielded Marlon Broomes, Lewis Buxton and Dave Brammer that season.
We're actually plumbing some real new depths here. It's only natural there's an air of despair around
And yet, little did we know back then, promotion was close, with Pulis' return and a cash splash under Coates MK II.
Difficult to think what could be a similar spark this time around.
Very difficult to imagine it's more MON after seeing what he's got to offer over the last 2 yrs, but we've got to hope it can be if he stays.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 8, 2022 10:39:24 GMT
Apathy will soon turn to anger as the owners inevitably let this shit drift into next season and the new man will come into another toxic atmosphere and a host of players he won't necessarily want.
The time is now. The owners really need to dig up some courage and get it done next week.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 8, 2022 11:11:51 GMT
Apathy sets in as the season progresses and thankfully it’s over Come August we’ll be back up and running again looking forward to it but one thing is for sure this shit can’t continue Come July the self flagellation will have stopped and hope will spring eternal. We need better luck with injuries to key players, to stop wasting the loan signings and some tactical adjustments I don't pretend to understand . Do that and we'll be in the mix. He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up.
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 8, 2022 11:17:23 GMT
Come July the self flagellation will have stopped and hope will spring eternal. We need better luck with injuries to key players, to stop wasting the loan signings and some tactical adjustments I don't pretend to understand . Do that and we'll be in the mix. He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up. spot on - he hasn't got the persona either - the modern game needs someone aticulate who can inspire and excite players and fans alike.....
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Post by anchorman on May 8, 2022 11:24:03 GMT
Talking about mix I’ve just made Gluten free oatcakes from a mix from Staffordshire oatcakes, very nice 😊 Where did you get the GF oatcake mix from? Tried to get GF oatcakes yesterday (my daughter's GF) CHEERS! Now where were we?..........Ah yes, apathy............................
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Post by nottsover60 on May 8, 2022 11:34:05 GMT
I even thought apathy had taken over the stretcher bearers yesterday - couldn't get the stretcher out of its storage place, trundled across the pitch, couldn't get the stretcher off its wheels. I was fully expecting them to tip the player off trying to put it back on the wheels. All when I felt Coventry were trying to waste time with the injury.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 8, 2022 12:08:28 GMT
Talking about mix I’ve just made Gluten free oatcakes from a mix from Staffordshire oatcakes, very nice 😊 Where did you get the GF oatcake mix from? Tried to get GF oatcakes yesterday (my daughter's GF) CHEERS! Now where were we?..........Ah yes, apathy............................ Got ours at the Trentham Gardens at the Big Garden Centre shop , my wife is GF and they taste lovely
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 8, 2022 12:15:15 GMT
Just thinking back, we came 12th in the Binary Season, then came 13th the following season under Bossie in 05-06 We regularly fielded Marlon Broomes, Lewis Buxton and Dave Brammer that season. We're actually plumbing some real new depths here. It's only natural there's an air of despair around And yet, little did we know back then, promotion was close, with Pulis' return and a cash splash under Coates MK II. Difficult to think what could be a similar spark this time around. Very difficult to imagine it's more MON after seeing what he's got to offer over the last 2 yrs, but we've got to hope it can be if he stays. Just reading Broomes and Buxton's names sent a shiver through me. It's quite scary really that the team we had then finished higher than this lot now, amd actually quite depressing.
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Post by jokker on May 8, 2022 12:53:17 GMT
Only the club can change that either by replacing the manager with someone who we can agree (as much as we can agree) is a decent manager That would see enthusiasm return for the new season Or somehow O'Neill proves us all wrong and improves significantly, in this scenario it would be months into the season before supporter enthusiasm returned and even then there would be doubts due to the drop off second half of both of the last two seasons O'Neill would have to rely confound us critics right through next season to get most critics back on board A five goal win on day 1 of the new season would change that despondency in 90 minutes flat and get everyone behind the team. Granted not very likely, but you can't say it won't happen.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 8, 2022 13:00:33 GMT
Only the club can change that either by replacing the manager with someone who we can agree (as much as we can agree) is a decent manager That would see enthusiasm return for the new season Or somehow O'Neill proves us all wrong and improves significantly, in this scenario it would be months into the season before supporter enthusiasm returned and even then there would be doubts due to the drop off second half of both of the last two seasons O'Neill would have to rely confound us critics right through next season to get most critics back on board A five goal win on day 1 of the new season would change that despondency in 90 minutes flat and get everyone behind the team. Granted not very likely, but you can't say it won't happen. you actually have to get behind the opposition to do that. Not pass it across the back 5 or in front of the defence for 90 minutes. The football is weak, slow, ponderous and boring. Lowest xg per game other than the 3 relegated sides. Says it all. Why does anybody think his style, tactics or coaching will change at this point? He’s said himself that he’s doing everything right and the players are doing what he is asking them to do in training. If that’s true then as far as I’m m concerned, his football is truly shit and time is up.
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2022 13:08:51 GMT
Apathy will soon turn to anger as the owners inevitably let this shit drift into next season and the new man will come into another toxic atmosphere and a host of players he won't necessarily want. The time is now. The owners really need to dig up some courage and get it done next week. Yesterday I felt it was on the verge of becoming toxic in the first half but the volume of the excellent Coventry fans kept the grumbles from gathering any momentum. Had there been an away following of two men and a dog then I think the boos would have built up for longer periods and even a few chants could have started.
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Post by Gods on May 8, 2022 13:24:59 GMT
Just thinking back, we came 12th in the Binary Season, then came 13th the following season under Bossie in 05-06 We regularly fielded Marlon Broomes, Lewis Buxton and Dave Brammer that season. We're actually plumbing some real new depths here. It's only natural there's an air of despair around And yet, little did we know back then, promotion was close, with Pulis' return and a cash splash under Coates MK II. Difficult to think what could be a similar spark this time around. Very difficult to imagine it's more MON after seeing what he's got to offer over the last 2 yrs, but we've got to hope it can be if he stays. I still contend that apart from a few it's a league of equals. We beat all 4 play-off teams for example. It means the play-offs are closer than you think with marginal improvements, more worryingly and conversely so too is relegation 'Momentum' is the watchword, we started well for 6 games, lost this elusive force and never got it back
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Post by stokemark on May 8, 2022 13:36:02 GMT
He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up. spot on - he hasn't got the persona either - the modern game needs someone aticulate who can inspire and excite players and fans alike..... I don't think he wants to be here. You just get that feeling he is going through the motions and that it's just a job that he is clinging on to. No rapport with the supporters and seemingly little with the players who haven't seen any real leadership / Motivation from a bloke who is about as interesting at Joe Jordan. Sooner he goes the better
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Post by anchorman on May 8, 2022 13:49:26 GMT
Got ours at the Trentham Gardens at the Big Garden Centre shop , my wife is GF and they taste lovely Thank you....stayed at Trentham Prem as well!!! Next time. Cheers
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Post by callas12 on May 8, 2022 14:09:31 GMT
I hope I'm wrong but yesterday had the feeling of Mick Mills last game of the season in his last full season with us when unrest was starting to set in after our relegation from the top division & numerous mid tabled 2nd Division finishes.
The 1989/90 season started with tepid optimisation & lacklustre enthusiasm & it soon went downhill after Mills had splashed the cash. But Mills was ejected out by November after a really poor start to the season, to be replaced by his then assistant Alan Ball..! & the rest is history!
Can see this happening with Coates replacing MoN with Dean Holden if this does happen.. History repeating itself?! I hope not but its sure got the feel of it!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2022 14:19:48 GMT
I hope I'm wrong but yesterday had the feeling of Mick Mills last game of the season in his last full season with us when unrest was starting to set in after our relegation from the top division & numerous mid tabled 2nd Division finishes. The 1989/90 season started with tepid optimisation & lacklustre enthusiasm & it soon went downhill after Mills had splashed the cash. But Mills was ejected out by November after a really poor start to the season, to be replaced by his then assistant Alan Ball..! & the rest is history! Can see this happening with Coates replacing MoN with Dean Holden if this does happen.. History repeating itself?! I hope not but its sure got the feel of it! No idea what Holden would be like but the football particularly at home is so bad you really wouldn’t be keen on keeping anyone who’d been involved in producing it.
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Post by biddulphchav on May 8, 2022 14:26:16 GMT
MON was brought in to stave off relegation after the disastrous Mad Nathan and Rowett debacles. He achieved this and was then tasked with off loading our players still on premier wages and those signed by Rowett also on high wages. To do this he has brought in youngsters, loanees and older heads in order to reduce our wage bill. It’s been a mixture of success and failures in terms of doing this but has left us with some very mediocre players not helped of course by a string of injuries to key players. So now the slate is relatively clean and I think fans need to get behind him over the close season and hopefully, with some decent signings over the summer and offloading of players not up to what is required, next season could see a step change in performance and us challenging for play offs. Booing individual players on the pitch really isn’t helping. I do recall reading on here after MON was appointed that it would take 4-5 seasons to properly turn things around given the mess we were in. Well we’re 3 seasons in and in my opinion going in the right direction be it slowly. Agree with this 100%. Not sure where people expect us to be. Look at Jones for example, his record here was abysmal because we were a basket case at the time, and for a while afterwards - so last season was on par performance. This season we’ve not done as well as we could have, that’s fair I think. Unless there is someone out there who is simply too good for us to miss the opportunity of bringing in (I can’t think of a single stand out manager who fits the bill and we don’t have the cash to bring in a huge name like Benitez) I think we should back the manager, actually think he’s done quite well to turn the club around, we were well on our way to doing a Sunderland before he came in.
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Post by biddulphchav on May 8, 2022 14:30:35 GMT
Come July the self flagellation will have stopped and hope will spring eternal. We need better luck with injuries to key players, to stop wasting the loan signings and some tactical adjustments I don't pretend to understand . Do that and we'll be in the mix. He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up. This just makes no sense to me. Why should it turn toxic? We are not a big club, we’re a medium size club and we’re not far off where we should be in terms of league position. Sure, if we get it right we should be pushing for promotion but I think unrealistic expectations are what’s driving your toxicity. It’s like expecting to come home to Claudia Schiffer and then getting angry it’s just the missus.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2022 14:42:59 GMT
He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up. This just makes no sense to me. Why should it turn toxic? We are not a big club, we’re a medium size club and we’re not far off where we should be in terms of league position. Sure, if we get it right we should be pushing for promotion but I think unrealistic expectations are what’s driving your toxicity. It’s like expecting to come home to Claudia Schiffer and then getting angry it’s just the missus. Why is it unrealistic when much smaller clubs than us have had much better seasons?
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Post by xchpotter on May 8, 2022 14:50:12 GMT
This just makes no sense to me. Why should it turn toxic? We are not a big club, we’re a medium size club and we’re not far off where we should be in terms of league position. Sure, if we get it right we should be pushing for promotion but I think unrealistic expectations are what’s driving your toxicity. It’s like expecting to come home to Claudia Schiffer and then getting angry it’s just the missus. Why is it unrealistic when much smaller clubs than us have had much better seasons? Ah, you are forgetting Stoke on Trent syndrome. Be content with your lot and don’t dare to dream.
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