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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 30, 2022 18:31:00 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch?
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 30, 2022 18:34:27 GMT
I'd actually rather have afobe over Fletcher but I know not many others would agree. I've always rated Benik and he will score goals wherever he goes.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 30, 2022 18:37:24 GMT
It has to be something the club are doing wrong I can simply see no other explanation given the history.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 30, 2022 18:49:26 GMT
I'd actually rather have afobe over Fletcher but I know not many others would agree. I've always rated Benik and he will score goals wherever he goes. You play a ball through to him and he’s scores 7/10.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2022 18:55:11 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch? You missed that shithouse Berahino out.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 30, 2022 18:58:37 GMT
Afobe over fletcher for me
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 30, 2022 19:06:57 GMT
You don't mean the "shit" Surridge, "wank" Afobe as well as the "found his level" Gregory and "the wardrobe" Vokes do you? FFS apart from Surridge - who I don't think was either used correctly, given the right service or a long enough run in the team the others aren't and never will be the goal scoring answer for Stoke. Gouranga.
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Post by liathroid on Apr 30, 2022 19:11:56 GMT
You don't mean the "shit" Surridge, "wank" Afobe as well as the "found his level" Gregory and "the wardrobe" Vokes do you? FFS apart from Surridge - who I don't think was either used correctly, given the right service or a long enough run in the team the others aren't and never will be the goal scoring answer for Stoke. Gouranga. Surridge got into great scoring positions and missed and that was his down fall
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 30, 2022 19:23:30 GMT
You don't mean the "shit" Surridge, "wank" Afobe as well as the "found his level" Gregory and "the wardrobe" Vokes do you? FFS apart from Surridge - who I don't think was either used correctly, given the right service or a long enough run in the team the others aren't and never will be the goal scoring answer for Stoke. Gouranga. Surridge got into great scoring positions and missed and that was his down fall So much better than Fletcher who doesn't even look like getting in a scoring position. And where's the "highlights" thread? Gouranga.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 30, 2022 19:25:59 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch? You missed that shithouse Berahino out. Has he scored more than 3 goals for any club since leaving us?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 30, 2022 19:28:38 GMT
This is his best season for years, given the money he must be on its not good enough, get rid.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 30, 2022 19:51:37 GMT
We definitely need better, bigger, tougher than the powderpuff lot we have at the moment.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 30, 2022 21:24:52 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch? He’s more expensive than Fletcher and he still isn’t what we need. Given his size, he’s not a target man. He’s not super quick and most importantly, he seems to want nothing to do with Stoke. 12+ goals in the Championship isn’t impressive just because we’ve constantly had strikers who have failed to get there. We need someone to come in and be able to hold the ball up for Powell and our wide attackers. The best we have looked was when Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were fit at the beginning of last season and Fletcher could just bring the two of them into the game. Before that, I’d say Huddersfield away Jan 2020, when Vokes had a rare stormer and brought in Powell and Campbell. There’s no point in having Powell play the target man. He may be able to do it, but it means he’s in line with play instead of moving into spaces around it.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2022 7:59:00 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch? He’s more expensive than Fletcher and he still isn’t what we need. Given his size, he’s not a target man. He’s not super quick and most importantly, he seems to want nothing to do with Stoke. 12+ goals in the Championship isn’t impressive just because we’ve constantly had strikers who have failed to get there. We need someone to come in and be able to hold the ball up for Powell and our wide attackers. The best we have looked was when Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were fit at the beginning of last season and Fletcher could just bring the two of them into the game. Before that, I’d say Huddersfield away Jan 2020, when Vokes had a rare stormer and brought in Powell and Campbell. There’s no point in having Powell play the target man. He may be able to do it, but it means he’s in line with play instead of moving into spaces around it. Still it seems very odd to let a 1 in 3 striker leave for free with a year left on his contract!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 8:04:10 GMT
Said it all along, play Afobe to his strengths and he'll score us goals.
Instead we played him on the wing and as a target man.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 1, 2022 9:01:45 GMT
As soon as we get rid they start to score?? Afobe, Surridge, Gregory and Vokes, I know two of them play in league one, but still...... Should we let a 12+ goal scorer go for free? Is he any worse than Maja or Fletch? Yes. Yes he is. Yes. Yes we should.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 1, 2022 9:03:32 GMT
Said it all along, play Afobe to his strengths and he'll score us goals. Instead we played him on the wing and as a target man. What are his strengths? He doesn’t win it in the air, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t hold the ball up, he doesn’t link the play, there was little evidence of his apparent pace and he was useless for us even when he was played as part of a two. The game has moved beyond goal hangers.
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Post by tqstokie on May 1, 2022 9:43:36 GMT
He’s more expensive than Fletcher and he still isn’t what we need. Given his size, he’s not a target man. He’s not super quick and most importantly, he seems to want nothing to do with Stoke. 12+ goals in the Championship isn’t impressive just because we’ve constantly had strikers who have failed to get there. We need someone to come in and be able to hold the ball up for Powell and our wide attackers. The best we have looked was when Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were fit at the beginning of last season and Fletcher could just bring the two of them into the game. Before that, I’d say Huddersfield away Jan 2020, when Vokes had a rare stormer and brought in Powell and Campbell. There’s no point in having Powell play the target man. He may be able to do it, but it means he’s in line with play instead of moving into spaces around it. Still it seems very odd to let a 1 in 3 striker leave for free with a year left on his contract You cannot demand a fee if no one is prepared to pay it given the high wages he is currently on.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 10:24:44 GMT
Said it all along, play Afobe to his strengths and he'll score us goals. Instead we played him on the wing and as a target man. What are his strengths? He doesn’t win it in the air, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t hold the ball up, he doesn’t link the play, there was little evidence of his apparent pace and he was useless for us even when he was played as part of a two. The game has moved beyond goal hangers. When we played Sheffield Wednesday when he bagged two goals we played him to his strengths. We were laying balls that he good turn and run off the shoulder of the defender and it worked a treat. Like I said before, playing him as a target man and on the wing is hardly gonna work wonders for a player who isn't suited for those positions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 1, 2022 11:03:47 GMT
What are his strengths? He doesn’t win it in the air, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t hold the ball up, he doesn’t link the play, there was little evidence of his apparent pace and he was useless for us even when he was played as part of a two. The game has moved beyond goal hangers. When we played Sheffield Wednesday when he bagged two goals we played him to his strengths. We were laying balls that he good turn and run off the shoulder of the defender and it worked a treat. Like I said before, playing him as a target man and on the wing is hardly gonna work wonders for a player who isn't suited for those positions. Away from home against a team who gave us space to counter. Likewise at Villa that season. You’re not going to get that at home when you’ve just been relegated and you’ve spent £50m.
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Post by theonlooker on May 1, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
It isn't a choice of Afobe or Fletcher is it? Afobe isn't the back to goal player that Fletcher is. Afobe is more the type of player we are coaching Brown to be, and i'll be honest, Brown has been more useful for us and a damn sight cheaper.
Afobe or Fletcher - neither for me. Both have been dreadful signings in different ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 13:30:11 GMT
When we played Sheffield Wednesday when he bagged two goals we played him to his strengths. We were laying balls that he good turn and run off the shoulder of the defender and it worked a treat. Like I said before, playing him as a target man and on the wing is hardly gonna work wonders for a player who isn't suited for those positions. Away from home against a team who gave us space to counter. Likewise at Villa that season. You’re not going to get that at home when you’ve just been relegated and you’ve spent £50m. That was really the only instance I can recall us playing him to his strengths. He's scored goals at other clubs. We had two clowns who didn't know how to use him.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 1, 2022 13:33:24 GMT
I'd actually rather have afobe over Fletcher but I know not many others would agree. I've always rated Benik and he will score goals wherever he goes. You play a ball through to him and he’s scores 7/10. Whilst I don’t think Afobe is that good, I will say that the idea of a defence splitting through ball is pretty much non existent the way we set up and play.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2022 14:08:14 GMT
Still it seems very odd to let a 1 in 3 striker leave for free with a year left on his contract You cannot demand a fee if no one is prepared to pay it given the high wages he is currently on. We could keep him, or he could negotiate a new contract with another club with considerably lower wages, but a contract that secures his future for 3-4 years. This could be something he would want as well, not only us.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 1, 2022 14:26:01 GMT
We bring in new strikers, but never seem to play to their strengths.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 1, 2022 15:03:48 GMT
We bring in new strikers (edit: players), but never seem to play to their strengths. I fixed it for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 15:41:22 GMT
Millwall in a bit if a situation we should use to our benefit. They'll desperately want to keep Afobe you'd think. Not a fan of him at all but we could do worse than keep him if struggling to find an alternative. With one year left is it , we should demand a decent fee and say no to a loan.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 16:27:44 GMT
I'd actually rather have afobe over Fletcher but I know not many others would agree. I've always rated Benik and he will score goals wherever he goes. He isn't at Millwall, didn't with us, didn't with Trabzonspor, didn't with Bristol, didn't with Bouremouth, didn't with bolton, didn't with Wednesday, didn't with Huddersfield, didn't with Reading... I mean he did with Wolves and MK Dons but even then he couldn't muster a goal in every other game which for lower leagues is the return you look for in a player who, 'scores goals where he goes.'....
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Post by tqstokie on May 1, 2022 16:41:53 GMT
You cannot demand a fee if no one is prepared to pay it given the high wages he is currently on. We could keep him, or he could negotiate a new contract with another club with considerably lower wages, but a contract that secures his future for 3-4 years. This could be something he would want as well, not only us. I definitely think that is what both parties would want but there would be no fees involved IMHO.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2022 17:04:26 GMT
We could keep him, or he could negotiate a new contract with another club with considerably lower wages, but a contract that secures his future for 3-4 years. This could be something he would want as well, not only us. I definitely think that is what both parties would want but there would be no fees involved IMHO. From our transfer history you're probably right, but time will tell.
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