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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 10, 2022 10:47:56 GMT
I’m very curious to see how many he bags for us next season. It seems to have only been part of his game for Vitesse and it has been brought up a bit by a run of games where he took penalties.
Can’t wait to see him in the same team as a fit and firing Nick Powell.
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2022 10:50:53 GMT
I’m very curious to see how many he bags for us next season. It seems to have only been part of his game for Vitesse and it has been brought up a bit by a run of games where he took penalties. Can’t wait to see him in the same team as a fit and firing Nick Powell. Just concerned that he's clicked with Allen who assume won't be here next season Hopefully Thompson or some other player can fit in
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 10, 2022 10:53:17 GMT
I’m very curious to see how many he bags for us next season. It seems to have only been part of his game for Vitesse and it has been brought up a bit by a run of games where he took penalties. Can’t wait to see him in the same team as a fit and firing Nick Powell. That third cog in the midfield wheel is going to be absolutely crucial for us. Baker, Powell and a third one who can screen the back four and maintain possession.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 10, 2022 11:40:58 GMT
I’m very curious to see how many he bags for us next season. It seems to have only been part of his game for Vitesse and it has been brought up a bit by a run of games where he took penalties. Can’t wait to see him in the same team as a fit and firing Nick Powell. I'd like to see what our data people say. He is probably outperforming his xG massively but he's also got a really good, controlled strike.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 13:02:35 GMT
He reminds me of me of an old fashioned box to box midfielder who not only runs a round the middle of the park , putting in tackles and spraying the ball around,but also makes the right runs at the right time to be a proper goal threat
There used to be a lot of these players . People like Gerry Francis, Bryan Robson,Steven Gerrard ,Frank lampard and co ,but they have become rarer with the likes of kante playing a distinctive defensive role and de bruyne a distinctive attacking role and both doing it very well
Ironically mason mount is probably the most old school , tackling running and scoring goals midfielder in the prem
So it's quite likely frank lampard and mason mount combined ,blocked Lewis's path to first team football at Chelsea ,and as blockages go that's a big one
It's absolutely brilliant watching a player in a stoke kit , running around the middle of the park putting tackles in and linking the play and when the opportunity occurs in front of goal , showing real composure and putting the ball away
I love it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 13:04:06 GMT
He’s what people think Joe Allen is
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 13:08:51 GMT
Scored 5 non penalty goals from an xG of 1.3, spread over 22 attempts at Stoke That level of scoring over-performance rarely happens for anyone and is hugely unlikely to happen again next season for Baker. Here's his shot map from his whole Championship career. (Pens omitted). His average shot quality is 0.06 xG per attempt. That means he takes lots of long range, low quality attempts. He has got on the end of a couple of higher quality chances. Saturday's goal vs WBA and an equally good quality chance, which he missed (....imagine the reaction if he'd done it here, rather than at Wednesday). He'd previously scored just 2 goals from 3.3 NPxG spread over 2740 Championship minutes prior to turning up at Stoke. His xG per 96 in the Championship is ~0.1. So expect a goal every 10 full games, unless he starts getting into better scoring positions or remains unfeasibly "hot".
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 10, 2022 13:25:18 GMT
I wouldn't worry about him leaving while he is clearly playing well and enjoying regular first team football.
Our midfield is finally starting to look the business after years of being non existent. Get a DM and say goodbye to the Joe Allen curse. He's far from terrible for Stoke and appreciate all he has done but he's just never really fitted in what we need. Keep Powell vranvic and sawyers because of injuries.
Our attack on paper should be doing way better. Campbell, dwp brown maja and Fletcher. There should be more goals from that lot. Maybe get Liam delap on loan next season?
Get souttar back next season and our defence should be fine. Look for a rwb maybe
Sign a proper goalkeeper.
On paper thats a promotion team.
Probably finish 12th though
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 10, 2022 13:34:16 GMT
I’m very curious to see how many he bags for us next season. It seems to have only been part of his game for Vitesse and it has been brought up a bit by a run of games where he took penalties. Can’t wait to see him in the same team as a fit and firing Nick Powell. I'd like to see what our data people say. He is probably outperforming his xG massively but he's also got a really good, controlled strike. Infogol has basic stats free to all. Baker has 8 goals from an xG of 3.61 (not sure if that includes yesterday's match yet). He's unlikely to keep that up for long, but long may it continue! Even the guy who apparently can't finish (Jacob Brown) is easily beating his xG. Campbell is too this season, which I found more surprising.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 13:41:32 GMT
Xg is a nonsense though.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 13:49:56 GMT
Quick tell Liverpool & Manchester City. You'll save them the cost of a couple of dozen employees. Best be quick though, they kick off for the title decider in a couple of hours. Maybe offer your services ;-)
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 13:51:09 GMT
I'd like to see what our data people say. He is probably outperforming his xG massively but he's also got a really good, controlled strike. Infogol has basic stats free to all. Baker has 8 goals from an xG of 3.61 (not sure if that includes yesterday's match yet). He's unlikely to keep that up for long, but long may it continue! Even the guy who apparently can't finish (Jacob Brown) is easily beating his xG. Campbell is too this season, which I found more surprising. It includes yesterday.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 10, 2022 13:59:43 GMT
Scored 5 non penalty goals from an xG of 1.3, spread over 22 attempts at Stoke That level of scoring over-performance rarely happens for anyone and is hugely unlikely to happen again next season for Baker. Here's his shot map from his whole Championship career. (Pens omitted). View AttachmentHis average shot quality is 0.06 xG per attempt. That means he takes lots of long range, low quality attempts. He has got on the end of a couple of higher quality chances. Saturday's goal vs WBA and an equally good quality chance, which he missed (....imagine the reaction if he'd done it here, rather than at Wednesday). He'd previously scored just 2 goals from 3.3 NPxG spread over 2740 Championship minutes prior to turning up at Stoke. His xG per 96 in the Championship is ~0.1. So expect a goal every 10 full games, unless he starts getting into better scoring positions or remains unfeasibly "hot". This is interesting, but is it an age/experience adjusted score? I thoroughly don’t expect him to be getting 1 in 2 next season, even if we get a tonne of pens that he doesn’t miss. He does seem to be finding goal scoring positions well though. Would you not expect the xG for this type of player to go up more over the years. Would a .1 possibly transition to a .3 for example?
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Post by RF10 on Apr 10, 2022 14:27:33 GMT
I do find it baffling how much focus is spent looking at xG, especially under Baker's situation with so many loans in different positions and managers. Maybe he's now at a good age, feels settled and a manager who knows how to get the best out of him?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 15:01:20 GMT
Quick tell Liverpool & Manchester City. You'll save them the cost of a couple of dozen employees. Best be quick though, they kick off for the title decider in a couple of hours. Maybe offer your services ;-) It’s irrelevant bollocks. Governments have advisors that do fuck all and con their employers too. This is the same.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 15:05:29 GMT
This is interesting, but is it an age/experience adjusted score?
I thoroughly don’t expect him to be getting 1 in 2 next season, even if we get a tonne of pens that he doesn’t miss.
He does seem to be finding goal scoring positions well though.
Would you not expect the xG for this type of player to go up more over the years. Would a .1 possibly transition to a .3 for example? [/quote] Age curve is a multiple interaction between natural ageing & increase in experience. The latter has the biggest effect on performance metrics, whereas the former is less influential and then kicks into a decline once a player reaches 28-29. In terms of xg/96 the impovement isn't huge. It averages around 3% improvement per year before a similar level of decline sets in. So a player isn't going to suddenly jump from 0.1 xG/96 to 0.3 xG/96 without a major positional change. 0.1 going to 0.12 is going to be a more typical improvement (if any) for a 26 (nearly 27) year old. LB's overperformance is entirely in his conversion rate. Clinical finishing doesn't stick, it regresses hugely to the league average. (See Clucas' 2019/20 season compared to his 2020/21 & 2021/22 season). Clucas 2019/21 xG/96 = 0.12 but overperformed his finishing by 85% Clucas 2020/21 & 2021/22 xG/96 = 0.12, but underperformed his finishing by 20%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 15:14:19 GMT
I do find it baffling how much focus is spent looking at xG, especially under Baker's situation with so many loans in different positions and managers. Maybe he's now at a good age, feels settled and a manager who knows how to get the best out of him? This manager is useless though, so that can't be right 🤔🤔🤔
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 10, 2022 15:14:23 GMT
Quick tell Liverpool & Manchester City. You'll save them the cost of a couple of dozen employees. Best be quick though, they kick off for the title decider in a couple of hours. Maybe offer your services ;-) It’s irrelevant bollocks. Governments have advisors that do fuck all and con their employers too. This is the same. Narrator: "It's not the same"
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 15:16:36 GMT
Quick tell Liverpool & Manchester City. You'll save them the cost of a couple of dozen employees. Best be quick though, they kick off for the title decider in a couple of hours. Maybe offer your services ;-) It’s irrelevant bollocks. Governments have advisors that do fuck all and con their employers too. This is the same. I'll tell the Liverpool guys to stop conning their employers by winning Premier League titles and Champions League trophies next time I see them. And as for recruiting the likes of Klopp, Salah, TAA, Jota, Robertson and van Dijk....well they can cut that out as well!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 15:19:00 GMT
It’s irrelevant bollocks. Governments have advisors that do fuck all and con their employers too. This is the same. I'll tell the Liverpool guys to stop conning their employers by winning Premier League titles and Champions League trophies next time I see them. And as for recruiting the likes of Klopp, Salah, TAA, Jota, Robertson and van Dijk....well they can cut that out as well! Ah yes, xg is the reason for that 🤦♂️
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Post by tachyon on Apr 10, 2022 15:20:49 GMT
I'll tell the Liverpool guys to stop conning their employers by winning Premier League titles and Champions League trophies next time I see them. And as for recruiting the likes of Klopp, Salah, TAA, Jota, Robertson and van Dijk....well they can cut that out as well! Ah yes, xg is the reason for that 🤦♂️ Yes it absolutely is.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 10, 2022 15:29:27 GMT
Quick tell Liverpool & Manchester City. You'll save them the cost of a couple of dozen employees. Best be quick though, they kick off for the title decider in a couple of hours. Maybe offer your services ;-) It’s irrelevant bollocks. Governments have advisors that do fuck all and con their employers too. This is the same. Brentford are another team it's irrelevant for, eh? Data isn't everything in football, but it's certainly not irrelevant. I do hope the game doesn't become reliant on it (at the expense of everything else) because then no one would ever shoot from further than 20 yards.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 15:36:31 GMT
Ah yes, xg is the reason for that 🤦♂️ Yes it absolutely is. Wow.
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Post by milky on Apr 10, 2022 16:18:11 GMT
He’s what people think Joe Allen is He is what I thought ( stupidly as it happens) Allen could be after we were relegated.
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2022 17:54:10 GMT
I do find it baffling how much focus is spent looking at xG, especially under Baker's situation with so many loans in different positions and managers. Maybe he's now at a good age, feels settled and a manager who knows how to get the best out of him? Don’t be ridiculous! Don’t you know that it’s the manager holding us back? Baker has a history of outstanding performances every season in his career, that’s why he was so prolific for Chelsea. Any manager could have him performing this well.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 20:23:21 GMT
⬆️⬆️Baker has been great for us and a godsend for the manager⬆️⬆️ ..as much as MoN has saved his career one could say Baker has saved MoN's ( at Stoke anyway ).
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 20:32:20 GMT
Make him Captain & build a side around him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 10, 2022 20:38:41 GMT
⬆️⬆️Baker has been great for us and a godsend for the manager⬆️⬆️ ..as much as MoN has saved his career one could say Baker has saved MoN's ( at Stoke anyway ). But MON signed him….. …..so MON saved Baker…..and saved himself!!??
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 20:42:23 GMT
⬆️⬆️Baker has been great for us and a godsend for the manager⬆️⬆️ ..as much as MoN has saved his career one could say Baker has saved MoN's ( at Stoke anyway ). But MON signed him….. …..so MON saved Baker…..and saved himself!!?? Indeed it could be seen that way too..
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