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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 9, 2022 18:42:07 GMT
A £20M player he is!
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 18:43:34 GMT
Bayern, You and other so called supporters who moan, berate and boo the players instead of supporting them in difficult times is the reason I am not going to drive 330 mile return trip as a season ticket holder. You obviously missed my post under season ticket sales. I quote in that that. Just bog off. have a nice life contradicting the vast majority of fans who support the team through thick and thin! So called 😂this being a thing is the best thing to happen on social media and is just beyond pathetic. I love it. Supporting crap won’t make them better. I’ve never got it. What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 9, 2022 18:47:30 GMT
Better than Shawcross? Delap? Potentially yes What an utterly ridiculous comment - laughable infact
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Post by lordb on Apr 9, 2022 18:52:02 GMT
So called 😂this being a thing is the best thing to happen on social media and is just beyond pathetic. I love it. Supporting crap won’t make them better. I’ve never got it. What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Well said Perfectly acceptable to criticise/moan however seems many only criticise and some even appear to want Stoke to lose
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 18:57:16 GMT
What an utterly ridiculous comment - laughable infact That's a bit unfair, potentially he could be. Admittedly he has a long way to go to match Delap and Shawcross but in terms of class he is certainly not outclassed by them. If he stays he will be captain I have no doubt and having spent years travelling Europe playing for different teams I am hoping he is ready to stay at a club for the next 5 or 6 years and see what he can achieve. It is very promising that he has moved his family up here rather than travelling from London. He wouldn't do that if he was thinking of moving club in the next 12 months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 18:59:07 GMT
Our biggest problem will be holding onto him in the summer.. Agree 100%. Baker or Souttar will be sold to balance the books. Would prefer to keep Baker.
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Post by eddy on Apr 9, 2022 18:59:35 GMT
Our best player at the moment, should start as much as possible. Happy to have Powell and Vrancic rotating in one of the midfield spots, Baker in another. If we could just sign a proper fucking defensive mid then we would have a promotion-worthy midfield. Add a proper right-back of similar quality to Tymon on the left and I think we are in the mix.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 19:02:35 GMT
So called 😂this being a thing is the best thing to happen on social media and is just beyond pathetic. I love it. Supporting crap won’t make them better. I’ve never got it. What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 19:07:29 GMT
What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. So if MON is here for the next 1/2 seasons you will refuse to support the club because you think he is harming the club? That to me is an agenda - you don't want him as manager so you refuse to see any good he does because you want him gone. It's going to be a long two years for you in that case. Accept he's here and enjoy the good bits which may happen more frequently next season.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Apr 9, 2022 19:08:06 GMT
What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. Have you ever enjoyed it and been content with Stoke? Like when we had Bojan / Arni / Shaq / Afellay and were beating MCFC / Arsenal etc? I know Celtic fans who still moaned when they won the league, and United fans in the Ferguson era who found things to moan about. It was baffling to me. As a Stoke fan, I take our highs very high and our lows with some sensible levels of frustration and disappointment. But I never get angry or exasperated (Nathan Jones pushed me on that) because we’re Stoke and we are not ever going to find perfection. And I’m cool with that. I love being a Stoke fan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 19:11:34 GMT
Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. So if MON is here for the next 1/2 seasons you will refuse to support the club because you think he is harming the club? That to me is an agenda - you don't want him as manager so you refuse to see any good he does because you want him gone. It's going to be a long two years for you in that case. Accept he's here and enjoy the good bits which may happen more frequently next season. Relegation is more of a possibility if he stays.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 9, 2022 19:11:50 GMT
We've never had a midfielder who was a genuine goal threat since kav left, and what a change he's made to our midfield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 19:13:08 GMT
Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. Have you ever enjoyed it and been content with Stoke? Like when we had Bojan / Arni / Shaq / Afellay and were beating MCFC / Arsenal etc? I know Celtic fans who still moaned when they won the league, and United fans in the Ferguson era who found things to moan about. It was baffling to me. As a Stoke fan, I take our highs very high and our lows with some sensible levels of frustration and disappointment. But I never get angry or exasperated (Nathan Jones pushed me on that) because we’re Stoke and we are not ever going to find perfection. And I’m cool with that. I love being a Stoke fan. Afellay wasn’t very good but yes I was. I was always annoyed we didn’t push on from that because we should have done. We wasted a great chance to be something better. I want better. Shouldn’t every fan?
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 19:13:18 GMT
What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Well said Perfectly acceptable to criticise/moan however seems many only criticise and some even appear to want Stoke to lose Yes I missed the first half completely today and came onto the Oatcake just as the second half was starting not knowing the score. I got a good idea we were winning, or at least not losing because the matchday thread had only reached the 4th page. Nothing to moan about so don't post anything. Most of the comments were criticisms of poor Nigel Johnson too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 19:20:37 GMT
Well said Perfectly acceptable to criticise/moan however seems many only criticise and some even appear to want Stoke to lose Yes I missed the first half completely today and came onto the Oatcake just as the second half was starting not knowing the score. I got a good idea we were winning, or at least not losing because the matchday thread had only reached the 4th page. Nothing to moan about so don't post anything. Most of the comments were criticisms of poor Nigel Johnson too. The last sentence shows the sentimentality I can’t stand. He’s paid to commentate and can barely speak coherently. There’s nothing poor bar the service he and that radio station provide.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 19:28:19 GMT
Yes I missed the first half completely today and came onto the Oatcake just as the second half was starting not knowing the score. I got a good idea we were winning, or at least not losing because the matchday thread had only reached the 4th page. Nothing to moan about so don't post anything. Most of the comments were criticisms of poor Nigel Johnson too. The last sentence shows the sentimentality I can’t stand. He’s paid to commentate and can barely speak coherently. There’s nothing poor bar the service he and that radio station provide. Perhaps so, I'm not particularly supporting him but that does not detract from the fact that only 4 pages into a match day thread (and I would imagine it was well onto the second page before kick off) most of the comments were moans about some 80 year old commentator rather than about the match and saying anything about how well anyone or the team were doing. That only leads me to think most posters prefer to moan than to praise or enjoy.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 9, 2022 19:35:10 GMT
So if MON is here for the next 1/2 seasons you will refuse to support the club because you think he is harming the club? That to me is an agenda - you don't want him as manager so you refuse to see any good he does because you want him gone. It's going to be a long two years for you in that case. Accept he's here and enjoy the good bits which may happen more frequently next season. Relegation is more of a possibility if he stays. Only time will tell that. You can come on here and tell me I was wrong this time next year if we go down. For now I'd rather enjoy good moments and look forward to next season with anticipation of it being better than this. I will also be checking the Internet everyday to see if we've signed anyone and will be excited by the signings we make even if I've never heard of them. Just my outlook on life I guess. I even managed to imagine James McLean could be a good signing even though I spent all summer hoping it wouldn't happen. I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 19:35:39 GMT
The last sentence shows the sentimentality I can’t stand. He’s paid to commentate and can barely speak coherently. There’s nothing poor bar the service he and that radio station provide. Perhaps so, I'm not particularly supporting him but that does not detract from the fact that only 4 pages into a match day thread (and I would imagine it was well onto the second page before kick off) most of the comments were moans about some 80 year old commentator rather than about the match and saying anything about how well anyone or the team were doing. That only leads me to think most posters prefer to moan than to praise or enjoy. When things are going well there’s not much to discuss is there really? Like this thread. Baker is ace. Yeah yeah yeah. That’s literally it. Shit things lead to Disagreeing and that leads to far more opinions. It’s just natural.
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Post by stantheman on Apr 9, 2022 19:36:59 GMT
What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. Your only agenda is hijacking every post on this board
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 9, 2022 19:38:14 GMT
What a signing. Well done MON.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Apr 9, 2022 19:44:56 GMT
Have you ever enjoyed it and been content with Stoke? Like when we had Bojan / Arni / Shaq / Afellay and were beating MCFC / Arsenal etc? I know Celtic fans who still moaned when they won the league, and United fans in the Ferguson era who found things to moan about. It was baffling to me. As a Stoke fan, I take our highs very high and our lows with some sensible levels of frustration and disappointment. But I never get angry or exasperated (Nathan Jones pushed me on that) because we’re Stoke and we are not ever going to find perfection. And I’m cool with that. I love being a Stoke fan. Afellay wasn’t very good but yes I was. I was always annoyed we didn’t push on from that because we should have done. We wasted a great chance to be something better. I want better. Shouldn’t every fan? To be honest, when I look back at those days, ‘annoyed’ isn’t an emotion I feel. It’s fine for fans to want better, but there should also be a level of acceptance. Do you think Vale fans are ever livid they’re not in the champions league? You gotta enjoy the good days more mate.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 9, 2022 20:00:27 GMT
Baker is a really good energetic presence and that run for the goal was outstanding. 8 goals and 2 assists in 16 games. He also shows other PL loan players we can be a good home to kickstart their careers.
He’s not always great and has patches in games where he disappears, but fair to say I love him already!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:03:14 GMT
Afellay wasn’t very good but yes I was. I was always annoyed we didn’t push on from that because we should have done. We wasted a great chance to be something better. I want better. Shouldn’t every fan? To be honest, when I look back at those days, ‘annoyed’ isn’t an emotion I feel. It’s fine for fans to want better, but there should also be a level of acceptance. Do you think Vale fans are ever livid they’re not in the champions league? You gotta enjoy the good days more mate. It should be. We wasted a fantastic opportunity to be better. You’ve gone extreme there and it bears no relation to what we were discussing. We were genuinely 2/3 transfers from being a top 8 side in the PL.
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Post by george2again on Apr 9, 2022 20:19:04 GMT
Baker is a really good energetic presence and that run for the goal was outstanding. 8 goals and 2 assists in 16 games. He also shows other PL loan players we can be a good home to kickstart their careers. He’s not always great and has patches in games where he disappears, but fair to say I love him already! how about Billy Gilmour on loan next season ? probably knows Baker. could be a very decent pairing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:21:33 GMT
Baker is a really good energetic presence and that run for the goal was outstanding. 8 goals and 2 assists in 16 games. He also shows other PL loan players we can be a good home to kickstart their careers. He’s not always great and has patches in games where he disappears, but fair to say I love him already! how about Billy Gilmour on loan next season ? probably knows Baker. could be a very decent pairing. He will go abroad or sign for a PL club surely? Absolute quality player who should get into most teams out of the top 6 in the PL.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 9, 2022 20:32:33 GMT
Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. Have you ever enjoyed it and been content with Stoke? Like when we had Bojan / Arni / Shaq / Afellay and were beating MCFC / Arsenal etc? I know Celtic fans who still moaned when they won the league, and United fans in the Ferguson era who found things to moan about. It was baffling to me. As a Stoke fan, I take our highs very high and our lows with some sensible levels of frustration and disappointment. But I never get angry or exasperated (Nathan Jones pushed me on that) because we’re Stoke and we are not ever going to find perfection. And I’m cool with that. I love being a Stoke fan. Really enjoy Afellay being used in such arguments. He was shite.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 9, 2022 20:44:07 GMT
Our biggest problem will be holding onto him in the summer.. Agree 100%. Baker or Souttar will be sold to balance the books. Would prefer to keep Baker. Why do we need to sell anyone? The books are balanced
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 9, 2022 20:45:38 GMT
Have you ever enjoyed it and been content with Stoke? Like when we had Bojan / Arni / Shaq / Afellay and were beating MCFC / Arsenal etc? I know Celtic fans who still moaned when they won the league, and United fans in the Ferguson era who found things to moan about. It was baffling to me. As a Stoke fan, I take our highs very high and our lows with some sensible levels of frustration and disappointment. But I never get angry or exasperated (Nathan Jones pushed me on that) because we’re Stoke and we are not ever going to find perfection. And I’m cool with that. I love being a Stoke fan. Really enjoy Afellay being used in such arguments. He was shite. He was a Dutch international, won the Champions League and was a class act, saw passes early, always looked forward and rarely lost possession
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2022 20:47:21 GMT
What is the alternative to supporting them though? Have you tried supporting another team? Having lived in Derby and Nottingham I tried to convert to both and ended up hating them. There is no point in going to matches and not supporting either, you always want them to win and jump off your seat when they score. I am pretty sure that the Coates family aren't a bit bothered about individual fans not feeling the team aren't worth supporting under MON so as long as he remains dignified (unlike Rowett) and seems to have the players on side (unlike Jones) then they will back him at least for another season and I'd rather support them through that rather than being grumpy. I can never understand why 'happy clappers' are scorned far more than misery guts who can't enjoy good moments because they feel they have to stick to their agendas. Agendas….it’s a shit notion not based in any fact. Why do people use it as an argument? My only agenda is to watch a team that will get promoted. I couldn’t care if MoN is dignified, he’s a terrible football manager who is harming this football club. Not on purpose and he’s trying not to but he is. Supporting that isn’t wanting your club to do well. Sorry to hear that Bayern, you have always been one of the funnier posters on the Oatcake. Enjoy your time supporting Fulham!
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Post by independent on Apr 9, 2022 20:48:54 GMT
So if MON is here for the next 1/2 seasons you will refuse to support the club because you think he is harming the club? That to me is an agenda - you don't want him as manager so you refuse to see any good he does because you want him gone. It's going to be a long two years for you in that case. Accept he's here and enjoy the good bits which may happen more frequently next season. Relegation is more of a possibility if he stays. you should be ashamed of that remark for two reasons: 1. It is wrong. 2. You don't even have the courage of your convictions and say that MON will get us relegated. But instead you weasel your way out with "More of a possibility" Be a man and say what you mean instead of constantly making snide criticisms. Do you honestly think that he has lost the dressing room? Bonham is not a great keeper but he is improving and today called for balls and came and collected balls very quietly and confidently with no fuss. As far as I can see the vast majority of our fans seem to be reasonably happy with the strides we've made so far. Obviously they would prefer even more progress. I have not seen you mention how much we miss Powell and how much difference he would have made to our results. WHY?
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