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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2022 22:25:04 GMT
Things aren’t going well Duck, but when he gets sacked and replaced by Alan Pardew or Kenny Jackett you might find yourself wishing he was back. Will Alan be doing his little dance tho? Not forgetting his other party piece. Head butting opposition players who are trying to retrieve the ball.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2022 22:26:55 GMT
Things aren’t going well Duck, but when he gets sacked and replaced by Alan Pardew or Kenny Jackett you might find yourself wishing he was back. You should know by opinion of prehistoric shite British coaches (O’Neill being one of them) by now. If the board go British unless it’s a player who’s played under great coaches and with great players AKA Rooney/Lampard, they need F##king!!!!!!! Dig out the betting list when West Brom were looking Duck and you’ll see the same old names who will be in the frame when we are looking again. You’re going to be disappointed, I’ll just let you prepare yourself in advance.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 5, 2022 22:27:24 GMT
The manager is shite and should of been sacked months ago. They’re his players nobody else’s!!!!!! Things aren’t going well Duck, but when he gets sacked and replaced by Alan Pardew or Kenny Jackett you might find yourself wishing he was back. If that did happen, that'd be a poor reflection on our owners, though. But it's pretty much exactly the kind of thing you could see happening.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 5, 2022 22:46:52 GMT
Watch the lack of movement from the forwards… then start thinking why the likes of sawyers can’t find a pass. Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators!
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 5, 2022 22:50:39 GMT
Watch the lack of movement from the forwards… then start thinking why the likes of sawyers can’t find a pass. Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! He has a football brain unlike Brown. Ever thought the other players aren’t on the same page!!!!!!!
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 5, 2022 22:59:31 GMT
Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! He has a football brain unlike Brown. Ever thought the other players aren’t on the same page!!!!!!! If you think Sawyers is the answer then god help your brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by a on Apr 5, 2022 23:13:34 GMT
Will Alan be doing his little dance tho? Not forgetting his other party piece. Head butting opposition players who are trying to retrieve the ball. I’m here for the dance and nothing else.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 5, 2022 23:17:06 GMT
Watch the lack of movement from the forwards… then start thinking why the likes of sawyers can’t find a pass. Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! Sawyers is by far the best footballer we have in the squad at the moment. So I don't know what that says about the others. He's the only player who seems to have an idea what he wants to do with the ball when he gets it, he's the only player who moves the ball forward, he actually adds tempo to our play when he is playing (though it doesn't take much) makes himself available and is generally trying to make things happen. I'm not saying he is the answer at all but he is head and shoulders above the rest technically atm. Baker can be good on the ball but he went totally missing tonight and that isn't the first time.
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 6, 2022 5:23:23 GMT
spot on this team ain't going anywhere has long as this setup is in place i have said since Huth & Shawcross our defence is a joke and this has been biggest problem for years and still is
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Post by wuzza on Apr 6, 2022 5:38:08 GMT
I think we try to play in a way that highlights player limitations - if we were more direct like most other Champ teams the skill deficiencies would be less stark. Said it all season that we are trying to produce results in a manner that the players simply aren’t good enough to do on a consistent basis.
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Post by questionable on Apr 6, 2022 5:52:09 GMT
And yet again his tactics were play it 1,00,000 times between the CH’s who eventually passed it to whoever for whoever to pass it back to the CH’s.
Reading only had to wait for the inevitable shit pass in order get at us, as all teams have done all season really.
This football manager hasn’t got the slightest idea what to do and is way worse than Rowette and Jones.
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 6, 2022 6:28:42 GMT
I think we try to play in a way that highlights player limitations - if we were more direct like most other Champ teams the skill deficiencies would be less stark. Said it all season that we are trying to produce results in a manner that the players simply aren’t good enough to do on a consistent basis. Bang on
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Post by kevkj on Apr 6, 2022 6:34:00 GMT
It's awful.We are slow in tempo,dither with our passing giving teams time to get their shape and mark tight.This results in sidewards and back passing. It makes it look like our forwards aren't moving. It's shocking to watch,get him gone.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 6, 2022 6:35:05 GMT
I think we try to play in a way that highlights player limitations - if we were more direct like most other Champ teams the skill deficiencies would be less stark. Said it all season that we are trying to produce results in a manner that the players simply aren’t good enough to do on a consistent basis. They looked good enough until October. Then he lost his mind. He spent all summer talking about building towards a back 3 and building from the back. It was all going well until we lost at Derby. For some reason he dropped Bursik and Ostigard, Smith wasn't far behind and the thing he spent all summer talking about suddenly got thrown in the bin to go back to it a month or so later. You can hardly blame the players for not believing in it when the first wobble we had he tore up his rule book. The Souttar injury was massive, but the treatment of Bursik, Ostigard and later Smith was absolutely ridiculous and had a huge impact on the way the side played.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 6, 2022 6:46:50 GMT
I think we try to play in a way that highlights player limitations - if we were more direct like most other Champ teams the skill deficiencies would be less stark. Said it all season that we are trying to produce results in a manner that the players simply aren’t good enough to do on a consistent basis. They looked good enough until October. Then he lost his mind. He spent all summer talking about building towards a back 3 and building from the back. It was all going well until we lost at Derby. For some reason he dropped Bursik and Ostigard, Smith wasn't far behind and the thing he spent all summer talking about suddenly got thrown in the bin to go back to it a month or so later. You can hardly blame the players for not believing in it when the first wobble we had he tore up his rule book. The Souttar injury was massive, but the treatment of Bursik, Ostigard and later Smith was absolutely ridiculous and had a huge impact on the way the side played. Whilst we looked ok for a period and the player issues you highlight certainly have validity I always felt that we were treading a very thin line - I simply don’t believe the systems are robust enough for the rigours of a championship season if you are unable to bring in the quality of player required (FFP etc etc). I have a horrible feeling the manager is working towards an unattainable goal which will eventually result in replacement by a more pragmatic individual........and we start all over again.
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Post by Ron on Apr 6, 2022 7:06:24 GMT
Watch the lack of movement from the forwards… then start thinking why the likes of sawyers can’t find a pass. Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! oh I’m by no means a big fan… but one thing he most definitely has- and had a his previous clubs- is the ability to pick an intricate pass… no one moves up top as such his best attribute is wasted. People often moan the forwards get no service…. My view is ours don’t exactly help themselves with good movement
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 6, 2022 7:08:30 GMT
I think it’s just the championship in general.
Most of the teams and players are piss poor.
Reading played a couple of nice one twos and a few decent mid range passes last night, but overall they were poor.
As were Sheff U.
As were Millwall.
All the same garbage.
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Post by bingbang on Apr 6, 2022 7:41:16 GMT
Why do people think next season is going to be any better. Can only see us having even less of an influence on the league next year.
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Post by jokker on Apr 6, 2022 7:47:43 GMT
It's simply a lack of confidence. They were all fine on the ball at home to Forest and WBA. So why were they confident against Forest and WBA but not Luton et al? It's a matter of motivation on the players' part. Against the two former clubs, and a few others, they are playing teams they believe to be just below their own level, so motivation is high to prove that. Against most other teams in this division they are playing teams they believe are vastly inferior to themselves, so they go into matches thinking they just have to turn up and they've already won. Sometimes they don't even turn up. I believe the manager does what he should in preparing the team for games. But no matter of managerial motivational skills are sufficient if players cannot motivate themselves out on the pitch. When that happens, there's nothing that a manager can do, except to deselect them for the remainder of the season. But that's not as easy as it sounds, because we're not allowed to just field the 4-5 players that do care and show adequate game approach. Moreover the manager has to believe that his players are decent working people. He can issue a bollocking, but he has to work with them the rest of the week.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 6, 2022 7:49:30 GMT
Things aren’t going well Duck, but when he gets sacked and replaced by Alan Pardew or Kenny Jackett you might find yourself wishing he was back. You should know by opinion of prehistoric shite British coaches (O’Neill being one of them) by now. If the board go British unless it’s a player who’s played under great coaches and with great players AKA Rooney/Lampard, they need F##king!!!!!!! They need to choose a more forward thinking manager who’ll get the team scoring more goals. Gives you a better chance of promotion and if it doesn’t work at least we’ll be able to enjoy the games more often. I’m sick of this timid shite.
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Post by jokker on Apr 6, 2022 7:54:34 GMT
Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! Sawyers is by far the best footballer we have in the squad at the moment. So I don't know what that says about the others. He's the only player who seems to have an idea what he wants to do with the ball when he gets it, he's the only player who moves the ball forward, he actually adds tempo to our play when he is playing (though it doesn't take much) makes himself available and is generally trying to make things happen. I'm not saying he is the answer at all but he is head and shoulders above the rest technically atm. Baker can be good on the ball but he went totally missing tonight and that isn't the first time. I wouldn't go so far as to say RS is the only player "to have an idea what he wants to do with the ball when he gets it, he's the only player who moves the ball forward, he actually adds tempo to our play when he is playing." I think Tymon's football plan is clear and every time he goes on a run it's potentially decisive if more players believed it was worth turning up for those of his crosses which are on target. But I think what you are getting at is that Sawyers shows leadership abilities in the middle of the park. Jagielka usually does at the back, but that's about it. O'Neill's vision at the start of the season that there were 11 leaders on the pitch certainly hasn't been real at any point.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 6, 2022 7:59:10 GMT
Sawyers flatters to deceive yes he's scored the odd goal but he's slow looks unfit and makes Julian Clarey look like one of the gladiators! Sawyers is by far the best footballer we have in the squad at the moment. So I don't know what that says about the others. He's the only player who seems to have an idea what he wants to do with the ball when he gets it, he's the only player who moves the ball forward, he actually adds tempo to our play when he is playing (though it doesn't take much) makes himself available and is generally trying to make things happen. I'm not saying he is the answer at all but he is head and shoulders above the rest technically atm. Baker can be good on the ball but he went totally missing tonight and that isn't the first time. I’m not sure what you’re watching but Sawyers and adds tempo don’t belong in the same sentence. Unfortunately neither does the name of many others on our books. We’re a team who seem to have wanted to play at a slow tempo throughout our last 4 or 5 managers I’ve even forgot how many. No matter what they’ve said the football has always quickly returned to walking pace. It defies a everything that is proving successful in this era where everything remotely successful seems to be high tempo high intensity, move the ball at pace.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 6, 2022 8:08:03 GMT
The two things that bug me the most with our passing are 1) How often we have someone flying down the wing, and rather than our player on the ball knocking it a few yards infront of them into space they can run into & keep up their momentum, we instead pass it to where they are, which leads to the player running down the line having to slam on the breaks, turn around & run a few yards backwards to get the ball, and 2) How often we have someone try to play a simple ten yard pass but always seem to under/over hit it way off to the left/right of the guy they're aiming for, it's a ten yard pass for Christ's sake!
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Post by tosh on Apr 6, 2022 8:19:08 GMT
I think we try to play in a way that highlights player limitations - if we were more direct like most other Champ teams the skill deficiencies would be less stark. Said it all season that we are trying to produce results in a manner that the players simply aren’t good enough to do on a consistent basis. An excellent summing up of one of the biggest problems at Stoke. The manager’s belief that he can coach limited players to succeed playing a style which is beyond their capabilities. It produces lots of possession and good but meaningless completed passes stats, but usually little or no threat on goal. Tactically astute managers must look forward to playing us. As he doesn’t change it, he either can’t see the problem or is too stubborn , so it’s unlikely he will be able to build a promotion side.
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Post by jokker on Apr 6, 2022 8:21:12 GMT
Why do people think next season is going to be any better. Can only see us having even less of an influence on the league next year. How do you explain belief?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 6, 2022 8:45:16 GMT
It's simply a lack of confidence. They were all fine on the ball at home to Forest and WBA. So why were they confident against Forest and WBA but not Luton et al? It's a matter of motivation on the players' part. Against the two former clubs, and a few others, they are playing teams they believe to be just below their own level, so motivation is high to prove that. Against most other teams in this division they are playing teams they believe are vastly inferior to themselves, so they go into matches thinking they just have to turn up and they've already won. Sometimes they don't even turn up. I believe the manager does what he should in preparing the team for games. But no matter of managerial motivational skills are sufficient if players cannot motivate themselves out on the pitch. When that happens, there's nothing that a manager can do, except to deselect them for the remainder of the season. But that's not as easy as it sounds, because we're not allowed to just field the 4-5 players that do care and show adequate game approach. Moreover the manager has to believe that his players are decent working people. He can issue a bollocking, but he has to work with them the rest of the week. See 5 posts up from the one you've posted! He showed weakness, the players collapsed and lost all belief.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 6, 2022 12:27:29 GMT
It's not rocket science. A player needs to know where he's going to move the ball before he gets it. Look at all the premier league players, they know exactly that. Also, there's a habit of passing the ball either directly to or behind the receiver, this stifles any forward movement. Football is simple (it has to be given the IQ levels of those that play it) get the basics right and don't overthink it! I really think this is where our players (and/or coaches) are lacking. They really seem stumped by possession. They either go for the headless chicken approach, running into too many defenders, pass waywardly because they take the wrong option, thinking they are Franz Beckenbauer, or pass backwards and sideways hoping someone else has got a better idea. I see this game after game. The desperation to cling on to possession at all costs is my biggest issue. We looked more threatening putting flatter balls in from the full backs towards Fletcher than we did all game. We need a target man to allow us to change up our play.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 6, 2022 12:49:17 GMT
Things aren’t going well Duck, but when he gets sacked and replaced by Alan Pardew or Kenny Jackett you might find yourself wishing he was back. You should know by opinion of prehistoric shite British coaches (O’Neill being one of them) by now. If the board go British unless it’s a player who’s played under great coaches and with great players AKA Rooney/Lampard, they need F##king!!!!!!! Darren Ferguson!!!! Sol Campbell!!!!!!! Paul Gascoigne!!!!!!!!!!! They!!!! all!!!!! fit!!!!! your!!!!!!!!! criteria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 6, 2022 12:55:03 GMT
You should know by opinion of prehistoric shite British coaches (O’Neill being one of them) by now. If the board go British unless it’s a player who’s played under great coaches and with great players AKA Rooney/Lampard, they need F##king!!!!!!! They need to choose a more forward thinking manager who’ll get the team scoring more goals. Gives you a better chance of promotion and if it doesn’t work at least we’ll be able to enjoy the games more often. I’m sick of this timid shite. FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!!!!!
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 6, 2022 12:57:41 GMT
You should know by opinion of prehistoric shite British coaches (O’Neill being one of them) by now. If the board go British unless it’s a player who’s played under great coaches and with great players AKA Rooney/Lampard, they need F##king!!!!!!! Darren Ferguson!!!! Sol Campbell!!!!!!! Paul Gascoigne!!!!!!!!!!! They!!!! all!!!!! fit!!!!! your!!!!!!!!! criteria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ferguson lives off his old man, Campbell has no experience and Gascoigne is a wife beating pisshead. It’s a NO from me!!!!!!!
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