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Post by lordb on Mar 28, 2022 12:52:39 GMT
You've lost me I thought you we're saying Smith's performance didn't warrant an Oscar? I was. I though was a poor film and badly acted. I'll give it a miss then
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2022 12:57:59 GMT
How long until Jake Paul offers Will Smith out for another one of his car crash, celebrity "boxing" moneymakers?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 13:13:24 GMT
I was. I though was a poor film and badly acted. I'll give it a miss then It really is poor. Makes Hollyoaks look like Larry Olivier quality
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 28, 2022 13:49:49 GMT
Although he shouldn't have done it, I sympathise with Smith. It's easy to laugh sometimes without initially getting something or realising what was said. And also when something incredibly stressful or personal is joked about, it's not always easy to deal with it.
I'm not a fan of Rock or Gervais, but at least Gervais' 'jokes' (from what I saw) were about serious stuff that needs addressing, compared to Rock's personal jibes.
And I don't get how folk think this was staged.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 28, 2022 14:15:30 GMT
Why? Chris Rock told a joke Bad taste maybe but a joke all the same. And to be honest it wasn’t any worse than Reba’s joke at the BAFTAs Will Smith committed assault. Not the worse case of assault Ive seen but assault all the same. Provoking by a joke is not a good reason for a violent assault regardless of severity of both. Not in the eyes of the law. But will smith is Hollywood I'm not defending Smith just surprised Rock has had no apparent criticism for his crassness Because they are just jokes It’s just a joke about will smiths mrs shaving her head like Demi Moore in GI Jane. An easy joke to make as she’s sitting front row. The joke isn’t funny because it’s 20 years out of date. Until Rock says otherwise it’s fuck all do do with her disease. It’s no different to every joke aimed at celebrities by dozens of comedians at dozens of award shows. Not crass at all.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2022 14:26:48 GMT
Although he shouldn't have done it, I sympathise with Smith. It's easy to laugh sometimes without initially getting something or realising what was said. And also when something incredibly stressful or personal is joked about, it's not always easy to deal with it. I'm not a fan of Rock or Gervais, but at least Gervais' 'jokes' (from what I saw) were about serious stuff that needs addressing, compared to Rock's personal jibes. And I don't get how folk think this was staged.Well, they are professional actors mate Although I do think it's real, I am a bit skeptical that this is an opportunity for Jada to profit from her situation. I wouldn't put it behind celebs to pull some kind of publicity stunt like this.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 28, 2022 14:33:51 GMT
Hollywood slapstick. 🤔
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2022 15:03:28 GMT
Ricky Gervais,Graham Norton,Jack Whitehall and Rebel Wilson have all said far worse whilst hosting awards ceremonies so whilst I understand he was standing up for his Mrs he also needs to lighten up the mardi bastard. Also no way was it staged I do agree, it was not staged.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 15:04:18 GMT
Has nobody ever seen an actual incident where one person punches another unexpectedly and how the individuals behave and react in that situation? It’s not like that. I mean this is what they do at the Oscars isn’t it? Stunts and bits and shit.. I really can’t get my head round how anyone would remotely believe it was real for a second. Feels like some weird reverse Truman Show scenario Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically.
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Post by Boothen on Mar 28, 2022 15:09:35 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2022 15:13:28 GMT
Has nobody ever seen an actual incident where one person punches another unexpectedly and how the individuals behave and react in that situation? It’s not like that. I mean this is what they do at the Oscars isn’t it? Stunts and bits and shit.. I really can’t get my head round how anyone would remotely believe it was real for a second. Feels like some weird reverse Truman Show scenario Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically. I think maybe it was a prank that slipped a little out of control and now they don't quite know what to do about it
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Post by marwood on Mar 28, 2022 15:19:57 GMT
not staged Smith would not have dropped the F bomb on live TV if it was pre-arranged
Rock has made a career out of this sort of thing, and has previously made reference to Smith's wife's knickers, so there is history
In the US there is the tradition of 'roasting' celebrities. They have whole shows about it, and it appears to be an acceptable part of US culture. The closest thing we would have in this country is Mcintye and Carr and a guest spot on HIGNFY. I wonder how much longer they can justify roasts when virtually everything is taboo now.
And Alopecia should be off limits, even if it is an open marriage etc
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 28, 2022 15:20:36 GMT
Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically. I think maybe it was a prank that slipped a little out of control and now they don't quite know what to do about it I'm one of the most cynical people in the world but there's no chance that was a prank.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2022 15:57:46 GMT
Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically. I think maybe it was a prank that slipped a little out of control and now they don't quite know what to do about it If it was a prank then they would have 100% said so by now, especially given the negative press Smith is getting out of it. Not a chance in this world or any other that Smith (who regardless of his acting talent is one of the biggest Hollywood stars and highest paid actors on the planet) would potentially risk serious (or even slight for that matter) reputational damage to his brand, for a prank and then just keep quiet about it even AFTER the shit has hit the fan just because it's all gone a bit wrong. These are multi millionaire stars with teams of people behind them analysing everything they do and every word they say in public. No-one on either team would ever sanction a "prank" involving violence and abusove language on a live show being viewed globally just for a laugh, especially not Will Smith's team. Smith has been one of the main voices complaining for years re: lack of diversity in the academy. Why would he then formulate a prank which plays into the old fashioned, racist US stereotypes of black men being violent thugs? I think this is the cause for the disbelief with everyone really, as Smith is the golden boy, the poster boy, gets millions of views on his "positive attitude' vlogs etc. If it was Mickey Rourke or a pissed up Oliver Reed it'd be almost expected for there to be outrageouss behaviour but Smith is way too business savvy to risk damaging his brand.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2022 16:02:53 GMT
I think maybe it was a prank that slipped a little out of control and now they don't quite know what to do about it I'm one of the most cynical people in the world but there's no chance that was a prank. I just watched it again, there is absolutely no way on this earth that that is a natural confrontation and incidence of violence. Rock literally stands there waiting for him with his head stuck out for a start. I dunno about the subsequent events, maybe Smith was actually pissed off or something, maybe it's got way out of their control, I dunno. The slap was a setup.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2022 16:07:53 GMT
I'm one of the most cynical people in the world but there's no chance that was a prank. I just watched it again, there is absolutely no way on this earth that that is a natural confrontation and incidence of violence. Rock literally stands there waiting for him with his head stuck out for a start. I dunno about the subsequent events, maybe Smith was actually pissed off or something, maybe it's got way out of their control, I dunno. The slap was a setup. What would either party get out of it? Why would neither have explained it's a prank yet? It most definitely isn't any kind of good publicity that Smith is getting out of this in any way. Genuinely, what would be the purpose of pulling a prank that no-one knows is a prank at the time, no-one knows is a prank afterwards and just ruins a major star's image?? The old addage of "no publicity is bad publicity" simply isn't true in any way anymore, since cancel culture came to the fore. Bad publicity can quite literally destroy someone's entire career overnight nowadays.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2022 16:09:51 GMT
I just watched it again, there is absolutely no way on this earth that that is a natural confrontation and incidence of violence. Rock literally stands there waiting for him with his head stuck out for a start. I dunno about the subsequent events, maybe Smith was actually pissed off or something, maybe it's got way out of their control, I dunno. The slap was a setup. What would either party get out of it? Why would neither have explained it's a prank yet? It most definitely isn't any kind of good publicity that Smith is getting out of this in amy way. Genuinely, what would be the purpose of pulling a prank that no-one knows is a prank, they never tell anyone it's a prank afterwards and just ruins a major star's image?? The old addage of "no publicity is bad publicity" simply isn't true in amy way anymore since cancel culture came to the fore. Bad publicity can quite literally destroy someone's entire career overnight nowadays. No idea. Like I say, maybe it ran out of their control a little bit
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2022 16:16:09 GMT
What would either party get out of it? Why would neither have explained it's a prank yet? It most definitely isn't any kind of good publicity that Smith is getting out of this in amy way. Genuinely, what would be the purpose of pulling a prank that no-one knows is a prank, they never tell anyone it's a prank afterwards and just ruins a major star's image?? The old addage of "no publicity is bad publicity" simply isn't true in amy way anymore since cancel culture came to the fore. Bad publicity can quite literally destroy someone's entire career overnight nowadays. No idea. Like I say, maybe it ran out of their control a little bit In which case it would have been explained at the earliest available opportunity as soon as they realised it hadn't worked out the way they intended and most definitely by now. Why would Smith be sitting back and letting the press slaughter him if he could just end it all by simply saying "It was a prank me and Chris set up"? No offence but it makes no sense whatsoever in any way at all. These aren't teens coming up with shit pranks for tiktok clout, they're global stars whose actions and words are managed by their teams to the nth degree because being a celebrity is a business. No way would their teams have allowed any prank like this given that the academy take an extremely dim view to even bad language at their shows which are prmetime in the US remember so kids are watching (hence even Chris Rock of all people not swearing), let alone a violent prank. Smith isn't going to risk pissing off the Academy and possibly getting ejected from the evening for a prank when he's up for one of the major awards 10 minutes after that prank.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2022 16:20:17 GMT
No idea. Like I say, maybe it ran out of their control a little bit In which case it would have been explained at the earliest available opportunity as soon as they realised it hadn't worked out the way they intended and most definitely by now. Why would Smith be sitting back and letting the press slaughter him if he could just end it all by simply saying "It was a prank me and Chris set up"? No offence but it makes no sense whatsoever in any way at all. These aren't teens coming up with shit pranks for tiktok clout, they're global stars whose actions and words are managed by their teams to the nth degree because being a celbrity is a business. No way would they have allowed any prank like this given that the academy take an extremely dim view to even bad language at their shows, let alone a violent prank. Smith isn't going to risk pissing off the Academy and possibly getting ejected from the evening for a prank when he's up for one of the major awards 10 minutes after the prank. Sure, I can see the logic. I just can't watch the clip and make myself believe it's real
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2022 16:23:03 GMT
In which case it would have been explained at the earliest available opportunity as soon as they realised it hadn't worked out the way they intended and most definitely by now. Why would Smith be sitting back and letting the press slaughter him if he could just end it all by simply saying "It was a prank me and Chris set up"? No offence but it makes no sense whatsoever in any way at all. These aren't teens coming up with shit pranks for tiktok clout, they're global stars whose actions and words are managed by their teams to the nth degree because being a celbrity is a business. No way would they have allowed any prank like this given that the academy take an extremely dim view to even bad language at their shows, let alone a violent prank. Smith isn't going to risk pissing off the Academy and possibly getting ejected from the evening for a prank when he's up for one of the major awards 10 minutes after the prank. Sure, I can see the logic. I just can't watch the clip and make myself believe it's real I'd say it's waaaay more likely (and believable as it's something we all do all the time in everyday situations, let alone when in a theatre with thousands of people in it) that Rock was leaning forward to hear what he thought Will was going to say to him as there was lots of noise going on. He was on stage in front of a few thousand people who were all already murmuring and Smith would have no mic, so it would be perfectly natural to lean in if he was expecting Smith to say something to him. I reckon Rock saw Smith walking up the stage and thought "He's going to discreetly bollock me here" so leaned in thinking "I'll let him have his say to get it over and done with asap and we'll move on quickly". I certainly don't think for a second he was expecting to get slapped. You also have to remember that Rock made a joke at Jada's expense at the Oscars a few years ago as well, which Smith wasn't happy about at the time (it was the year actors boycotted it due to lack of diversity...Rock said "Jada boycotting it was the equivalent of me boycotting the opening of Rihanna's panties....i was never even invited anyway"). They're very definitely not any kind of friends with each other, so i don't see them teaming up to pull one over us all.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 28, 2022 16:30:48 GMT
Sure, I can see the logic. I just can't watch the clip and make myself believe it's real I'd say it's waaaay more likely (and believable as it's something we all do all the time in everyday situations, let alone when in a theatre with thousands of people in it) that Rock was leaning forward to hear what he thought Will was going to say to him as there was lots of noise going on. He was on stage in front of a few thousand people who were all already murmuring and Smith would have no mic, so it would be perfectly natural to lean in if he was expecting Smith to say something to him. I reckon Rock saw Smith walking up the stage and thought "He's going to discreetly bollock me here" so leaned in thinking "I'll let him have his say to get it over and done with asap and we'll move on quickly". I certainly don't think for a second he was expecting to get slapped. You also have to remember that Rock made a joke at Jada's expense at the Oscars a few years ago as well, which Smith wasn't happy about. Smith is a complete snowflake, the guy clearly has issues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 16:51:08 GMT
For some who portrayed Ali (badly), he hits like John Inman
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 16:53:11 GMT
Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically. I think maybe it was a prank that slipped a little out of control and now they don't quite know what to do about it I think he was trying to do a Ricky Gervais, Golden Globe style scenario but was just a bit shite at it which he is with comedy in general to be fair
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Post by franklin on Mar 28, 2022 17:05:53 GMT
not staged Smith would not have dropped the F bomb on live TV if it was pre-arranged Rock has made a career out of this sort of thing, and has previously made reference to Smith's wife's knickers, so there is history In the US there is the tradition of 'roasting' celebrities. They have whole shows about it, and it appears to be an acceptable part of US culture. The closest thing we would have in this country is Mcintye and Carr and a guest spot on HIGNFY. I wonder how much longer they can justify roasts when virtually everything is taboo now. And Alopecia should be off limits, even if it is an open marriage etc He actually made a comment about Rihannas knickers not his missus
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 28, 2022 17:14:34 GMT
Oh how sad, Will Smith gets upset at another large tit. Probably the only way to shut Chris Rock up, nobody else has.
Screw the Oscars and that whole entire crowd. Don't watch it, don't care. However, if they're going to start smacking the sh*t out of each other...that makes it at least watchable. So I went and watched the VAR on it. Not even a red - next time throw a real punch Will.
Oh, didn't exactly see "staged" in that, but I'm probably the last person in the US who doesn't care either way.
Maybe there'll be a rematch next year?
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Post by superjw on Mar 28, 2022 17:19:06 GMT
Although there are some that will try and defend Smith, what he did is unacceptable in every circumstance - end of.
Fair enough to criticise Rock for the joke, but that's what it was at the end of the day, a joke. I've heard far worse before and Ricky Gervais doesn't hold back as an example.
Smith is a celebrity in the public eye doing this live in front of however millions watching, what an absolute idiot
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 28, 2022 17:30:51 GMT
Has nobody ever seen an actual incident where one person punches another unexpectedly and how the individuals behave and react in that situation? It’s not like that. I mean this is what they do at the Oscars isn’t it? Stunts and bits and shit.. I really can’t get my head round how anyone would remotely believe it was real for a second. Feels like some weird reverse Truman Show scenario Not saying you're wrong mate but I can't see it. If they appear on social media soon arms around each other's shoulders then it's one of the greatest acts of trolling in history. But this is car crash publicity for Smith. I'm actually surprised Smith is getting support from some quarters. I wonder, if Joe Rogan had made that joke would Smith have acted in the same way? Would he fuck...what he did was quite cowardly because Chris Rock is a small unathletic guy. He was an easy target because Smith was completely unafraid of violent repercussions. On the flip side maybe it is a troll and they'll reveal it soon, and it's some sort of weirdly concocted scheme to raise awareness for alopecia? A hairbrained scheme ironically. Will Smith calls himself a coward in his autobiography, I think largely because his dad used to beat up his mum, and Will didn't do anything about it. Though he was only a boy, he says he's been a coward his whole life and he regretted not standing up for his family. It can't be easy being in public life and having constant attacks against you and your family from all quarters, and maybe the Chris Rock incident was the straw that broke the camel's back. Look up some of the celebrities who've commited suicide in recent years and how the media (social media trolls included) treated them. Caroline Flack being a recent high profile example. Not that I'm condoning violence, but I doubt Rock has much of a bruise.
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Post by sportsman on Mar 28, 2022 17:52:26 GMT
I first saw it this morning with no sound and I thought what's this, that's bad acting.
Then I turned the sound up and listened to what had happened.
I still think bad acting.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 28, 2022 18:00:21 GMT
I first saw it this morning with no sound and I thought what's this, that's bad acting. Then I turned the sound up and listened to what had happened. I still think bad acting. The only acting was Will Smith acting like a total bell end!
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 28, 2022 18:02:50 GMT
Comedians like Rock and Gervais think they can get away with anything. Brave comedians in the Lion's den? I don't think so. It takes a really brilliant comedian to know exactly where the boundaries are. Here's the perfect example of comedic bravery... Stewart Lee performing in Glasgow.
OS.
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