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Post by PenkPonther on Mar 20, 2022 14:03:25 GMT
Quite interesting...
Manager Win %
Peter Hodge 70.00
Alfred Barker 50.78
Guðjón Þórðarson 50.00
Brian Little 44.23
Bill Rowley 43.94
Lou Macari 42.90
Tom Mather 42.45
Gary Megson 40.91
Frank Taylor 40.33
Michael O'Neill 38.76
Arthur Reeves 38.54
Alan Durban 37.16
Bob McGrory 36.96
Tony Pulis 36.42
Mark Hughes 35.50
Horace Austerberry 35.39
Johan Boskamp 35.29
Tony Waddington 34.69
Arthur Shallcross 34.50
Mick Mills 33.80
Graham Paddon 33.33
Chic Bates 33.33
Joe Jordan 32.50
Gary Rowett 31.03
Richie Barker 30.39
Alan Ball 27.42
Joseph Bradshaw 27.27
George Eastham 24.32
Harry Lockett 23.64
Steve Cotterill 23.08
Bill Asprey 21.88
Jock Rutherford 18.18
Nathan Jones 15.79
Paul Lambert 13.33
Chris Kamara 7.14
(Source Wikipedia; updated to 20/03/22)
Any thoughts / memories about these Managers, folks?!?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Mar 20, 2022 14:12:45 GMT
Interesting as it may be, the win rate isn't everything, you have to take into account the caliber of the opposition and which 10 games it's taking into account, is the first 10 games and what was the state of the squad the new manager inherited. I'd much prefer to use a 20 game scope with points picked up and maybe the relevance of points, so for example MON came in when we were relegation certainties but got us enough points to stay up comfortably. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 20, 2022 14:14:09 GMT
Hodge was here for only 1 season,non league,then WW 1 came.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 20, 2022 14:16:28 GMT
Interesting as it may be, the win rate isn't everything, you have to take into account the caliber of the opposition and which 10 games it's taking into account, is the first 10 games and what was the state of the squad the new manager inherited. I'd much prefer to use a 20 game scope with points picked up and maybe the relevance of points, so for example MON came in when we were relegation certainties but got us enough points to stay up comfortably. Gouranga. It’s win rate over their entire Stoke career. It means managers who have been there at least 10 games I think🤔 |
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2022 14:18:38 GMT
I know they say you should never go back, but I’d go all in for Peter Hodge.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 20, 2022 14:21:35 GMT
Interesting as it may be, the win rate isn't everything, you have to take into account the caliber of the opposition and which 10 games it's taking into account, is the first 10 games and what was the state of the squad the new manager inherited. I'd much prefer to use a 20 game scope with points picked up and maybe the relevance of points, so for example MON came in when we were relegation certainties but got us enough points to stay up comfortably. Gouranga. I think the OP meant for managers with at least 10 games in the job, rather than randomly selecting 10 games. |
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Post by chad on Mar 20, 2022 14:42:08 GMT
Quite interesting... Manager Win % Peter Hodge 70.00 Alfred Barker 50.78 Guðjón Þórðarson 50.00 Brian Little 44.23 Bill Rowley 43.94 Lou Macari 42.90 Tom Mather 42.45 Gary Megson 40.91 Frank Taylor 40.33 Michael O'Neill 38.76 Arthur Reeves 38.54 Alan Durban 37.16 Bob McGrory 36.96 Tony Pulis 36.42 Mark Hughes 35.50 Horace Austerberry 35.39 Johan Boskamp 35.29 Tony Waddington 34.69 Arthur Shallcross 34.50 Mick Mills 33.80 Graham Paddon 33.33 Chic Bates 33.33 Joe Jordan 32.50 Gary Rowett 31.03 Richie Barker 30.39 Alan Ball 27.42 Joseph Bradshaw 27.27 George Eastham 24.32 Harry Lockett 23.64 Steve Cotterill 23.08 Bill Asprey 21.88 Jock Rutherford 18.18 Nathan Jones 15.79 Paul Lambert 13.33 Chris Kamara 7.14 (Source Wikipedia; updated to 20/03/22) Any thoughts / memories about these Managers, folks?!? Thoughts. Most of them were pretty shit 😊 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2022 14:48:13 GMT
I know they say you should never go back, but I’d go all in for Peter Hodge. Never heard of him! I know you're only joking but you do need to know how many games a manager was in charge for for these stats to mean anything. I would imagine it possible over ten games and in a run of form it's not difficult to get a high percentage. However as you rack up the games even a really good manager would gravitate towards 50% and below. For example Alex Ferguson's win percentage at Utd was 59.7% Solskjaer was 54% and Moyes' was 52%. Ferguson's figures would have been very stable because of the number of matches he was in charge whereas I suspect Moyes and Solskjaer were on a downward trajectory when sacked. Guardiola's stats are pretty amazing - 75.5 % at Man City, and over 70% across his career. However managing Stoke would probably reduce those stats! |
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 20, 2022 14:53:05 GMT
Christ we have appointed some complete shit over the years many of them by our current owners.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2022 14:54:25 GMT
What’s TP’s Premier League only win ratio?
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2022 14:58:47 GMT
I know they say you should never go back, but I’d go all in for Peter Hodge. Never heard of him! I know you're only joking but you do need to know how many games a manager was in charge for for these stats to mean anything. I would imagine it possible over ten games and in a run of form it's not difficult to get a high percentage. However as you rack up the games even a really good manager would gravitate towards 50% and below. For example Alex Ferguson's win percentage at Utd was 59.7% Solskjaer was 54% and Moyes' was 52%. Ferguson's figures would have been very stable because of the number of matches he was in charge whereas I suspect Moyes and Solskjaer were on a downward trajectory when sacked. Guardiola's stats are pretty amazing - 75.5 % at Man City, and over 70% across his career. However managing Stoke would probably reduce those stats! Chic Bates had a 100% win rate during his first stint. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 20, 2022 14:59:15 GMT
What’s TP’s Premier League only win ratio? About 29.5%. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2022 15:32:43 GMT
That Brian Little’s win rate looks impressive. Perhaps we could have him back.
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Post by PenkPonther on Mar 20, 2022 15:34:02 GMT
As suggested, I've added the number of games managed:
Manager Games Win %
Peter Hodge 30 70.00
Alfred Barker 256 50.78
Guðjón Þórðarson 154 50.00
Brian Little 52 44.23
Bill Rowley 66 43.94
Lou Macari 289 42.90
Tom Mather 523 42.45
Gary Megson 22 40.91
Frank Taylor 362 40.33
Michael O'Neill 129 38.76
Arthur Reeves 96 38.54
Alan Durban 143 37.16
Bob McGrory 460 36.96
Tony Pulis 464 36.42
Mark Hughes 200 35.50
Horace Austerberry 421 35.39
Johan Boskamp 51 35.29
Tony Waddington 764 34.69
Arthur Shallcross 171 34.50
Mick Mills 213 33.80
Graham Paddon 18 33.33
Chic Bates 33 33.33
Joe Jordan 40 32.50
Gary Rowett 29 31.03
Richie Barker 102 30.39
Alan Ball 62 27.42
Joseph Bradshaw 33 27.27
George Eastham 37 24.32
Harry Lockett 55 23.64
Steve Cotterill 13 23.08
Bill Asprey 64 21.88
Jock Rutherford 11 18.18
Nathan Jones 38 15.79
Paul Lambert 15 13.33
Chris Kamara 14 7.14
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2022 15:39:49 GMT
For all the praise of Pulis and criticism of Hughes their win percentage is very close. Bearing in mind that Pulis had 2 seasons in the Championship including a promotion campaign and Hughes had all his matches at Premier level including half a relegation campaign it's hard to use the stats to say Pulis was a better manager. Perhaps some have their rose tinted glasses on re Pulis because he took and kept us in the Promised Land. Admittedly Pulis' stats are spread over more seasons so are more likely to be an accurate reflection of his achievement I would have thought Hughes managed us for long enough for his percentage to be reasonably accurate.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2022 15:40:48 GMT
As suggested, I've added the number of games managed: Manager Games Win % Peter Hodge 30 70.00 Alfred Barker 256 50.78 Guðjón Þórðarson 154 50.00 Brian Little 52 44.23 Bill Rowley 66 43.94 Lou Macari 289 42.90 Tom Mather 523 42.45 Gary Megson 22 40.91 Frank Taylor 362 40.33 Michael O'Neill 129 38.76 Arthur Reeves 96 38.54 Alan Durban 143 37.16 Bob McGrory 460 36.96 Tony Pulis 464 36.42 Mark Hughes 200 35.50 Horace Austerberry 421 35.39 Johan Boskamp 51 35.29 Tony Waddington 764 34.69 Arthur Shallcross 171 34.50 Mick Mills 213 33.80 Graham Paddon 18 33.33 Chic Bates 33 33.33 Joe Jordan 40 32.50 Gary Rowett 29 31.03 Richie Barker 102 30.39 Alan Ball 62 27.42 Joseph Bradshaw 33 27.27 George Eastham 37 24.32 Harry Lockett 55 23.64 Steve Cotterill 13 23.08 Bill Asprey 64 21.88 Jock Rutherford 11 18.18 Nathan Jones 38 15.79 Paul Lambert 15 13.33 Chris Kamara 14 7.14 Thanks👍 So it seems in the modern era only Gudjoen and Macari bettered MON. I know people will now say 'Look at their squads' or something similar. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 20, 2022 15:40:59 GMT
Hell, Brian Little in 4th 🤔
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2022 15:49:25 GMT
As suggested, I've added the number of games managed: Manager Games Win % Peter Hodge 30 70.00 Alfred Barker 256 50.78 Guðjón Þórðarson 154 50.00 Brian Little 52 44.23 Bill Rowley 66 43.94 Lou Macari 289 42.90 Tom Mather 523 42.45 Gary Megson 22 40.91 Frank Taylor 362 40.33 Michael O'Neill 129 38.76 Arthur Reeves 96 38.54 Alan Durban 143 37.16 Bob McGrory 460 36.96 Tony Pulis 464 36.42 Mark Hughes 200 35.50 Horace Austerberry 421 35.39 Johan Boskamp 51 35.29 Tony Waddington 764 34.69 Arthur Shallcross 171 34.50 Mick Mills 213 33.80 Graham Paddon 18 33.33 Chic Bates 33 33.33 Joe Jordan 40 32.50 Gary Rowett 29 31.03 Richie Barker 102 30.39 Alan Ball 62 27.42 Joseph Bradshaw 33 27.27 George Eastham 37 24.32 Harry Lockett 55 23.64 Steve Cotterill 13 23.08 Bill Asprey 64 21.88 Jock Rutherford 11 18.18 Nathan Jones 38 15.79 Paul Lambert 15 13.33 Chris Kamara 14 7.14 Thanks👍 So it seems in the modern era only Gudjoen and Macari bettered MON. I know people will now say 'Look at their squads' or something similar. Brian Little says it all. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 20, 2022 15:49:44 GMT
I know they say you should never go back, but I’d go all in for Peter Hodge. Peter Hodge's name isn't exotic enough. It's got to be Horace Austerberry for me. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2022 15:50:43 GMT
I know they say you should never go back, but I’d go all in for Peter Hodge. Peter Hodge's name isn't exotic enough. It's got to be Horace Austerberry for me. There wouldn’t have been a club without him. Wasn’t he the first secretary of the Football League? |
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Post by samba :) on Mar 20, 2022 15:59:56 GMT
Interesting as it may be, the win rate isn't everything, you have to take into account the caliber of the opposition and which 10 games it's taking into account, is the first 10 games and what was the state of the squad the new manager inherited. I'd much prefer to use a 20 game scope with points picked up and maybe the relevance of points, so for example MON came in when we were relegation certainties but got us enough points to stay up comfortably. Gouranga. It’s win rate over their entire Stoke career. It means managers who have been there at least 10 games I think🤔 Ffs AlbertTatlock if ten games were chosen how could you win a decimal percentage of them 😂 |
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Post by Davef on Mar 20, 2022 16:06:27 GMT
For all the praise of Pulis and criticism of Hughes their win percentage is very close. Bearing in mind that Pulis had 2 seasons in the Championship including a promotion campaign and Hughes had all his matches at Premier level including half a relegation campaign it's hard to use the stats to say Pulis was a better manager. Perhaps some have their rose tinted glasses on re Pulis because he took and kept us in the Promised Land. Admittedly Pulis' stats are spread over more seasons so are more likely to be an accurate reflection of his achievement I would have thought Hughes managed us for long enough for his percentage to be reasonably accurate. Pulis had just over four seasons (216 games) in the Championship. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 16:17:33 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall.
Considering the state of the squad he inherited and the fact we were serious relegation candidates.
Maybe rumours of his demise are slightly premature.
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Post by stokefc on Mar 20, 2022 16:18:06 GMT
Chic Bates symmetry in motion
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Post by andystokey on Mar 20, 2022 16:25:04 GMT
What it does show is the Coates have had a pretty appalling hit rate in their second spell.
A lucky hit with Lou aside I wouldn't trust them to pick their nose.
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Post by PenkPonther on Mar 20, 2022 16:26:26 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall. Especially when you consider that of the 4 modern Managers ahead of MON in the list, Guðjón Þórðarson, Brian Little and Gary Megson all managed in the third tier of football; which obviously boosted their win percentages. Furthermore the other one, Lou Macari, received this same boost too, in his first spell as Manager: Years Games Win % 1991-93 138 50.00 (includes spell in the third tier) 1994-97 151 36.42 (all in the second tier) So as MON has never benefitted from the third tier win% boost, his 38.76% win rate does compare very favourably to any modern Manager. (Except of course that the likes of Pulis and Hughes would have had better stats as well, if all of their games had been in the second tier, like MON's have been!) |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 16:30:36 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall. Especially when you consider that of the 4 modern Mangers ahead of MON in the list, Guðjón Þórðarson, Brian Little and Gary Megson all managed in the third tier of football; which obviously boosted their win percentages. Furthermore the other one, Lou Macari, received this same boost too, in his first spell as Manager: Years Games Win % 1991-93 138 50.00 (includes spell in the third tier) 1994-97 151 36.42 (all in the second tier) So as MON has never benefitted from the third tier win% boost, his 38.76% win rate does compare very favourably to any modern Manager. (Except of course that the likes of Pulis and Hughes would have had better stats as well, if all of their games had been in the second tier, like MON's have been!) Definitely puts a different perspective on things. Not sure he can turn it around though. Few more 2-0 wins might help. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 20, 2022 16:50:09 GMT
So MON is our 15th longest serving manager of all time already.
By Christ, Rowett didn’t half do some damage to this club in only 29 games.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2022 17:06:01 GMT
For all the praise of Pulis and criticism of Hughes their win percentage is very close. Bearing in mind that Pulis had 2 seasons in the Championship including a promotion campaign and Hughes had all his matches at Premier level including half a relegation campaign it's hard to use the stats to say Pulis was a better manager. Perhaps some have their rose tinted glasses on re Pulis because he took and kept us in the Promised Land. Admittedly Pulis' stats are spread over more seasons so are more likely to be an accurate reflection of his achievement I would have thought Hughes managed us for long enough for his percentage to be reasonably accurate. Pulis had just over four seasons (216 games) in the Championship. True, I was only thinking of his second spell so that probably means Hughes was much better. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 17:34:08 GMT
For all the praise of Pulis and criticism of Hughes their win percentage is very close. Bearing in mind that Pulis had 2 seasons in the Championship including a promotion campaign and Hughes had all his matches at Premier level including half a relegation campaign it's hard to use the stats to say Pulis was a better manager. Perhaps some have their rose tinted glasses on re Pulis because he took and kept us in the Promised Land. Admittedly Pulis' stats are spread over more seasons so are more likely to be an accurate reflection of his achievement I would have thought Hughes managed us for long enough for his percentage to be reasonably accurate. Pulis had just over four seasons (216 games) in the Championship. Suppose you could say he spent a fair chunk of those developing a relegation threatened squad into a solid Championship one before having a couple of seasons where we were genuine promotion contenders. |
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