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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Mar 20, 2022 17:42:50 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist.
Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie.
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2022 17:45:44 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist. Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie. Shows that the list is a complete and utter pile of horse poo.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 20, 2022 18:06:18 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist. Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie. He was really unlucky though. No money to sign new players, downgraded the wage bill dramatically and then half way through the season, the owners wanted to sell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2022 18:06:21 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall. Considering the state of the squad he inherited and the fact we were serious relegation candidates. Maybe rumours of his demise are slightly premature. “The state of the squad”, he got that squad playing better than any he could since?!?
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Post by PenkPonther on Mar 20, 2022 18:26:59 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist. Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie. Yeah, Brian Little being so high up the list is the stat that made my jaw drop too! From Wikipedia again: "Stoke began the (Brian Little 1998) season in fine form, winning 14 of their first 20 matches and they sat well on top of the division. However their form completely fell away after Christmas, and they won just seven matches from the remaining 26 and ended up finishing in 8th position." We were the bookies favourites for promotion that year, and the disappointment of that complete collapse of form is probably why we forget how good our early results were. That plus near the end of his reign, we suffered some really humiliating tonkings, and the crowd atmospheres were pretty toxic.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 20, 2022 18:31:33 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist. Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie. Yeah, Brian Little being so high up the list is the stat that made my jaw drop too! From Wikipedia again: "Stoke began the (Brian Little 1998) season in fine form, winning 14 of their first 20 matches and they sat well on top of the division. However their form completely fell away after Christmas, and they won just seven matches from the remaining 26 and ended up finishing in 8th position." We were the bookies favourites for promotion that year, and the disappointment of that complete collapse of form is probably why we forget how good our early results were. That plus near the end of his reign, we suffered some really humiliating tonkings, and the crowd atmospheres were pretty toxic. The club was in a right mess at this stage wasnt it following our absolute capitulation from the Championship or whatever it was called back then. & all his signings were ways and stray free transfer types due the club literally being skint.. Reckon he'd of been a top appointment with sufficient funding back in the day
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 20, 2022 18:35:22 GMT
What’s TP’s Premier League only win ratio? We won 59 PL games under TP which if my dodgy maths is right is 31.05% win percentage
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 20, 2022 18:41:27 GMT
Quite interesting... Manager Win % Peter Hodge 70.00 Alfred Barker 50.78 Guðjón Þórðarson 50.00 Brian Little 44.23 Bill Rowley 43.94 Lou Macari 42.90 Tom Mather 42.45 Gary Megson 40.91 Frank Taylor 40.33 Michael O'Neill 38.76 Arthur Reeves 38.54 Alan Durban 37.16 Bob McGrory 36.96 Tony Pulis 36.42 Mark Hughes 35.50 Horace Austerberry 35.39 Johan Boskamp 35.29 Tony Waddington 34.69 Arthur Shallcross 34.50 Mick Mills 33.80 Graham Paddon 33.33 Chic Bates 33.33 Joe Jordan 32.50 Gary Rowett 31.03 Richie Barker 30.39 Alan Ball 27.42 Joseph Bradshaw 27.27 George Eastham 24.32 Harry Lockett 23.64 Steve Cotterill 23.08 Bill Asprey 21.88 Jock Rutherford 18.18 Nathan Jones 15.79 Paul Lambert 13.33 Chris Kamara 7.14 (Source Wikipedia; updated to 20/03/22) Any thoughts / memories about these Managers, folks?!? Haven’t you got anything better to do on a Sunday like cut the grass or clean the car 😊
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 18:42:07 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall. Considering the state of the squad he inherited and the fact we were serious relegation candidates. Maybe rumours of his demise are slightly premature. “The state of the squad”, he got that squad playing better than any he could since?!? Huh?
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 18:47:47 GMT
Those stats certainly suggest MON has done a decent job overall. Considering the state of the squad he inherited and the fact we were serious relegation candidates. Maybe rumours of his demise are slightly premature. “The state of the squad”, he got that squad playing better than any he could since?!? Ah I get you. Arguably that’s true. But in the meantime he’s also had to carve away a lot of dead wood. Implement a more stringent regime and try to introduce some stability. Now, he’s made things hard for himself by signing some duds, but overall we’re a more stable proposition as a Championship club now. Not enough perhaps to get him another season but the stats suggest he’s not exactly been the unmitigated disaster some have claimed.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 20, 2022 20:24:01 GMT
For all the praise of Pulis and criticism of Hughes their win percentage is very close. Bearing in mind that Pulis had 2 seasons in the Championship including a promotion campaign and Hughes had all his matches at Premier level including half a relegation campaign it's hard to use the stats to say Pulis was a better manager. Perhaps some have their rose tinted glasses on re Pulis because he took and kept us in the Promised Land. Admittedly Pulis' stats are spread over more seasons so are more likely to be an accurate reflection of his achievement I would have thought Hughes managed us for long enough for his percentage to be reasonably accurate. That percentage includes his first stint as well.
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Post by PenkPonther on Mar 20, 2022 20:28:42 GMT
Haven’t you got anything better to do on a Sunday like cut the grass or clean the car 😊 Hey we all had plenty of better things we could have done with our lives, other than supporting Stoke; yet here we all are! 😁
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Post by oslostokie1 on Mar 20, 2022 20:30:53 GMT
Hughes ratio stands out with four and a half seasons in the Prem
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2022 20:41:03 GMT
That list confirms what a complete and utter disaster Rowett was. Had a full pre season with players narrowly relegated from the Premier league and given an additional £50m to improve the team. The rest as they say is history.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 20, 2022 21:05:14 GMT
The irony being that I suspect jines might finish up with as good a record As the top,two by the time he hangs his managerial hat up , but just not here
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 20, 2022 21:18:26 GMT
Needs to be points per game rather win %
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 20, 2022 21:29:45 GMT
Haven’t you got anything better to do on a Sunday like cut the grass or clean the car 😊 Hey we all had plenty of better things we could have done with our lives, other than supporting Stoke; yet here we all are! 😁 Too true. It is real agony sometimes
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2022 21:49:50 GMT
The irony being that I suspect jines might finish up with as good a record As the top,two by the time he hangs his managerial hat up , but just not here Exactly. Nail on head. Jines is the man.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2022 22:39:25 GMT
As I said in my book “Well be with you” Chris Kamara was the worst, but only lasted 6 or 8 games (think we won a cup match but all league games lost). What I also spoke about in my book was Nathan Jones win rate. This was spectacularly shit given the 20 game free hit he had after Rowett left. Then the abysmal start to the next season that almost relegated us. In this period he bought several of his key target players and had NO material injuries. He was unbelievably crap and despite how he is doing at Luton now, we should never forget the damage he almost inflicted after the most luxurious of opportunities.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 20, 2022 22:42:02 GMT
Almost all of my Stoke supporting life has been spent watching managers at the bottom end of that list. Looks like I picked the wrong time to exist. Very surprised Brian Little is so high. His stint was the bleakest it's ever felt to be a Stokie. I feel lucky I started watching Stoke in 1992. I didn't know much about football then apart from most kids my age claimed to be Liverpool fans. It was fun to be a fan of a team doing well, and I'm glad I didn't somehow end up a Vale fan. There were lots of cruddy years, but that made me even more excited and appreciative of the promotion to the Premier League. For a while, it was surreal seeing us on Match of the Day every week. It was probably the most excited I'd been since Brian Little became manager actually. I remember the great start to that season then everything dropping off.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2022 22:51:54 GMT
As I said in my book “Well be with you” Chris Kamara was the worst, but only lasted 6 or 8 games (think we won a cup match but all league games lost). What I also spoke about in my book was Nathan Jones win rate. This was spectacularly shit given the 20 game free hit he had after Rowett left. Then the abysmal start to the next season that almost relegated us. In this period he bought several of his key target players and had NO material injuries. He was unbelievably crap and despite how he is doing at Luton now, we should never forget the damage he almost inflicted after the most luxurious of opportunities. What about Rowett then? A golden opportunity following relegation. A half decent squad just relegated from the Premier league plus an additional £50m. He is by some distance the most disastrous Stoke manager in recent history.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2022 22:59:20 GMT
Agree Rowett wasn’t great and had a great chance with the money, but he also had the baggage and when he left we were 3 points of play offs. He was ok in a shit kind of way. Jones was pure shit.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 21, 2022 0:02:29 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 0:47:55 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time. Wasn't Shilton the world record for a goalkeeper at the time?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 21, 2022 1:43:13 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time. Wasn't Shilton the world record for a goalkeeper at the time? That’s correct - he held the record for highest fee paid for a goalie at the time and was signed as a replacement for Gordon Banks who had lost an eye in a car accident in the Westlands. Banskie was a tough act to follow and Shilton was never that great at Stoke. He was sold at the same time as Jimmy Greenhoff and others to pay for the infamous Butler Street Stand that blew down in a gale. edit: John Farmer had been the backup to Banks in the days when there was no keeper on the bench, so he played several years in the reserves with only occasional first team appearances. He played well for two seasons after Banks’ injury and many fans at the time never really felt Shilton was any better. So it can be argued Shilton was one of Waddington’s poorer signings and money could have been better spent elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 7:11:26 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time. Was waddington operating on a shoestring? I’m not challenging you just genuinely asking, it was before my time. But my perception was that, in the 70s at least, we paid some relatively big fees for star players. Of course he had been manager for a decade by then.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 21, 2022 7:21:22 GMT
Agree Rowett wasn’t great and had a great chance with the money, but he also had the baggage and when he left we were 3 points of play offs. He was ok in a shit kind of way. Jones was pure shit. We were 14th and eight points off the play offs when Rowett left.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 9:25:29 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time. Was waddington operating on a shoestring? I’m not challenging you just genuinely asking, it was before my time. But my perception was that, in the 70s at least, we paid some relatively big fees for star players. Of course he had been manager for a decade by then. Ok thought we were in one of the big spenders but maybe someone who was around can confirm that.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 21, 2022 9:37:33 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 21, 2022 10:11:05 GMT
Meaningless statistics in my opinion because there can be no argument that Waddington was the most successful manager in Stoke’s history. He is the only manager to win a major trophy, he assembled the best team we ever had on a shoe-string budget and came within a hair’s breath of winning the old Division 1 against some of the best teams of all time. Was waddington operating on a shoestring? I’m not challenging you just genuinely asking, it was before my time. But my perception was that, in the 70s at least, we paid some relatively big fees for star players. Of course he had been manager for a decade by then. My recollection of the time was that he brought in many "has beens" Dennis Violet etc and rejuvenated them as well as a fair few locals. Of course I may be looking back through rose tinted glasses ( red & white) but it was a wonderful time and the best I have seen Stoke. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/waddington-years-story-stoke-citys-892124.amp#aoh=16478574987740&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
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