|
Post by stokiedan17 on Mar 16, 2022 21:39:19 GMT
To go from challenging for the playoffs to not being able to buy a win? From the point we started this bad run I don’t think MON set us up any differently. Did we just get found out? Can the players just not handle adjustment mid game ? Did the players lose confidence after a couple of defeats and never got it back ? Has MON training methods caused international players to forget how to pass a ball?
Did someone put a curse on us ?
All these questions yet I can’t put my finger on it.
Needless to say some will just Blame MON but I just don’t think you can heap all the blame on him.
He might be a part of reason but there are 11 players on that pitch who started the season well and just… stopped.. why?
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on Mar 16, 2022 21:40:57 GMT
A core group of senior players coming out of contract, probably know they won't be here next season and a January window where we possibly changed too much.
No doubt the players leaving need to go but it can have a destabilising effect.
|
|
|
Post by stokeykez on Mar 16, 2022 21:42:34 GMT
Makes me wonder how we dominate so much possession because we cannot pass the ball. The players do not have the confidence to pass it effectively, pointless possession which ultimately leads us to invite trouble.
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Mar 16, 2022 21:43:16 GMT
Players and manager couldn’t handle the slightest hint of pressure and expectation. Far more comfortable with no pressure. Bottle merchants to a man.
|
|
|
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 16, 2022 21:43:18 GMT
Nothing we over achieved early doors and are under achieving now in the end we were always a 50 to,55 point team with a 55 point manager that’s what he is at this level , there was never anything in his cv to suggest any different
|
|
|
Post by bigdave1 on Mar 16, 2022 21:43:23 GMT
Found out. We are so predictable in everything we do. Our whole play is methodical and is very easy to play against. Teams know exactly what we are going to do. We don’t have any spontaneous play or players thinking for themselves, we just go through the same routine and passages of play. Every single time
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2022 21:45:29 GMT
We’d known about the contract thing for a while though, and most of the players are trying, they’re just either not good enough or not being used properly.
The Luton game, for whatever reason, completely spooked MON and since then he’s made loads of changes from week to week and kept changing the system as well. He clearly doesn’t know how to fix it.
It’s like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer is in a tar pit and tries to pull his leg out with his arm, then his arm out with his face. Every frenzied attempt to salvage things plunges us in deeper.
|
|
|
Post by nonameface on Mar 16, 2022 21:46:56 GMT
A core group of senior players coming out of contract, probably know they won't be here next season and a January window where we possibly changed too much. No doubt the players leaving need to go but it can have a destabilising effect. So long as MON doesnt get sacked at least he has his answer of who to keep from the group. Very few of the players are showing they can take us forward. MON really needs to open better dialogue with the fans, especially from this point forward. I've been a big supporter of his, but if he can't clearly state what his plans are this summer, then it's hard to ignore recent form.
|
|
|
Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 16, 2022 21:48:33 GMT
He sold Danny Batth.
|
|
|
Post by stokiedan17 on Mar 16, 2022 21:49:08 GMT
Nothing we over achieved early doors and are under achieving now in the end we were always a 50 to,55 point team with a 55 point manager that’s what he is at this level , there was never anything in his cv to suggest any different Maybe I’m an eternal optimist but I still think he could come good. This run is dreadful and I struggle to see how he can survive it. But I still want him to come good. I think he’s done a lot to put the club in a better position than were in when he took us over.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Mar 16, 2022 21:52:54 GMT
A core group of senior players coming out of contract, probably know they won't be here next season and a January window where we possibly changed too much. No doubt the players leaving need to go but it can have a destabilising effect. So long as MON doesnt get sacked at least he has his answer of who to keep from the group. Very few of the players are showing they can take us forward. MON really needs to open better dialogue with the fans, especially from this point forward. I've been a big supporter of his, but if he can't clearly state what his plans are this summer, then it's hard to ignore recent form. The only dialogue he needs to open is his goodbyes. Other than that, I don't want to hear the man.
|
|
|
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 16, 2022 21:56:56 GMT
Losing Souttar and Powell to injury and the raft of other injuries over the past two seasons.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2022 22:00:36 GMT
Losing Souttar and Powell to injury and the raft of other injuries over the past two seasons. We were still showing glimpses even given those injuries though. The wins at Hull and QPR, the win over Swansea just after Powell came back. We looked like we had a plan. We don’t anymore.
|
|
|
Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 16, 2022 22:03:52 GMT
Nothings really changed.... We've never really been convincing this season, even when we've won, other than West Brom and Swansea (home), maybe Swansea away as well, but if you consider that over the course of the season, it's pretty woeful!!!
|
|
|
Post by Block 26 on Mar 16, 2022 22:05:07 GMT
I said earlier in the season that the games were tight & we were the team getting that crucial goal in tight games, It was bound to turn at some point but we have just turned dreadful! The same happened at the back end of last season when we we’re in lockdown so I personally think MON escaped that with having no fans present.
|
|
|
Post by pottermost on Mar 16, 2022 22:06:12 GMT
Nothing we over achieved early doors and are under achieving now in the end we were always a 50 to,55 point team with a 55 point manager that’s what he is at this level , there was never anything in his cv to suggest any different Is it a zero gravity crocodile now? Jokes aside, I think I agree with you.
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Mar 16, 2022 22:06:41 GMT
Changing the whole approach after a few bad results in Jan perhaps?
Changing the whole defence ?
Playing Wilmot at right back and him being utter wank there
|
|
|
Post by houstonsteve on Mar 16, 2022 22:07:40 GMT
To go from challenging for the playoffs to not being able to buy a win? From the point we started this bad run I don’t think MON set us up any differently. Did we just get found out? Can the players just not handle adjustment mid game ? Did the players lose confidence after a couple of defeats and never got it back ? Has MON training methods caused international players to forget how to pass a ball? Did someone put a curse on us ? All these questions yet I can’t put my finger on it. Needless to say some will just Blame MON but I just don’t think you can heap all the blame on him. He might be a part of reason but there are 11 players on that pitch who started the season well and just… stopped.. why? it was the same last year as well but slightly less pronounced. Collapse after January.
|
|
|
Post by jeycov on Mar 16, 2022 22:08:07 GMT
Good point Souttar not available has been a massive blow
|
|
|
Post by jeycov on Mar 16, 2022 22:11:31 GMT
I said earlier in the season that the games were tight & we were the team getting that crucial goal in tight games, It was bound to turn at some point but we have just turned dreadful! The same happened at the back end of last season when we we’re in lockdown so I personally think MON escaped that with having no fans present. The less experienced players were better with no fans imo, now we’re playing so badly they have rarely experienced the crowd raising their game
|
|
|
Post by hyaduck on Mar 16, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
To go from challenging for the playoffs to not being able to buy a win? From the point we started this bad run I don’t think MON set us up any differently. Did we just get found out? Can the players just not handle adjustment mid game ? Did the players lose confidence after a couple of defeats and never got it back ? Has MON training methods caused international players to forget how to pass a ball? Did someone put a curse on us ? All these questions yet I can’t put my finger on it. Needless to say some will just Blame MON but I just don’t think you can heap all the blame on him. He might be a part of reason but there are 11 players on that pitch who started the season well and just… stopped.. why? What changed I’ll tell you what F##king changed!! We were lucky in most of those games with the exception of Swansea and West Brom. I said on this site months and months ago, O’Neill is a fraud and a shocking excuse for a club manager. The abuse I received then as certainly changed!!! Hypocrites!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 22:15:11 GMT
I was thinking that myself, he is the reason why we did not go down the season prior. Sorely missed.
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on Mar 16, 2022 22:16:04 GMT
Good point Souttar not available has been a massive blow Forest lost there best striker by a country mile around the turn of the year but I don't see them not being able to compete. The manager has been well supported and he had a transfer window to sort that out and he failed. He clearly has lost his way.
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on Mar 16, 2022 22:19:21 GMT
We don't have a team. We have a squad of individuals. It's been like this since before we came down.
Brown is great at pressing, but a one man press doesn't work.
Baker can shoot from outside the box, but doesn't get the ball played into him enough in dangerous areas.
Powell is missing, that doesn't help.
How many times a match do we say "oh, he's isolated up there/out wide" etc. There's no unity and not enough concentration.
The high press should be the focal point of our attack in my opinion. So many teams have bought into this "possession is the only way forwards" tripe. It's only that way if your defenders don't make error after error playing it out. Ours do. THB replacing Ostigard has made that a lot more of a problem!
Let's move the ball up top faster and have Brown + others with some bloody energy getting in there and collecting it from the front.
Personally, i'd bring in a heavy hitting midfielder in the summer to go alongside Baker and Powell, a central defender to partner Souttar if necessary, a goalie who inspires confidence and a big target man.
|
|
|
Post by mrrine on Mar 16, 2022 22:19:52 GMT
Losing Souttar and Powell to injury and the raft of other injuries over the past two seasons. It's largely our total inability to win a game or look not shit without Powell.
|
|
|
Post by Veritas on Mar 16, 2022 22:23:05 GMT
We have also looked shit with Powell.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Mar 16, 2022 22:23:27 GMT
Nothing changed.
The poor fitness regime in pre-season has meant our players have run out of steam just like they did last season.
O’Neill out now.
|
|
|
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 16, 2022 22:30:52 GMT
Losing Souttar and Powell to injury and the raft of other injuries over the past two seasons. We were still showing glimpses even given those injuries though. The wins at Hull and QPR, the win over Swansea just after Powell came back. We looked like we had a plan. We don’t anymore. I agree on both points, but I bet we would've won far more games if we hadn't had those injuries, and not many would be calling for O'Neill's head. I don't know how long I can go on hoping for a good run to the end of the season to lead us into next. We finally look to have lifted the penalty curse with Baker, but now we have the losing so many games from winning positions monkey on our back. If the penalty 'monkey' was King Kong, the losing points from winning positions seems like Godzilla².
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2022 22:32:29 GMT
We were still showing glimpses even given those injuries though. The wins at Hull and QPR, the win over Swansea just after Powell came back. We looked like we had a plan. We don’t anymore. I agree on both points, but I bet we would've won far more games if we hadn't had those injuries, and not many would be calling for O'Neill's head. I don't know how long I can go on hoping for a good run to the end of the season to lead us into next. We finally look to have lifted the penalty curse with Baker, but now we have the losing so many games from winning positions monkey on our back. If the penalty 'monkey' was King Kong, the losing points from winning positions seems like Godzilla. There’s no reason why we couldn’t have won more games without them than we have though. He’s hardly helping with his constant changes and bad game management.
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on Mar 16, 2022 22:36:34 GMT
Not sure anything much has changed at all this particular season. It's pretty much a mirror image of last season. The only difference is it's slightly more extreme so far.
|
|