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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2022 19:23:09 GMT
Is it that difficult, plenty of other clubs seem have to managed it ok? If you went for a sporting director rather than a DoF you wouldn’t necessarily need a CEO. Seems like semantics to me. You'd still have the same issues between a Sporting director and manager as you would between a DOF and manager. Management structures, in my view, work better when they're simpler. Introduce new tiers and everybody wants the credit when things go right and there's a lot of finger pointing when things go wrong. Why have so many clubs embraced it then, do you think? Again it makes sense from the perspective of identity and continuity.
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Post by Sfance on Mar 7, 2022 19:26:47 GMT
The Coates family are the best thing that has ever happened to our club. Without them, we would have spent time in the 4th Division and not the Prem. The Icelanders were keen but in the end seemed naïve and we were in difficult position when they left. Who on Earth would have bought us at that juncture. Certainly not a multi-billionaire Stoke City fanatic who was prepared to chuck money at the club. Coates' Golden Share made sure no one else had a chance to buy Stoke from the Icelandic Consortium. His eventual return was never in doubt. And let us not forget, he sold Stoke to them in the first place because between him and Humphreys and Moxey, the club was spiralling towards the lower leagues. For good. Exactly right. Having some sense of history usually helps in understanding the present.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 7, 2022 19:31:59 GMT
I can't speak for other clubs. Other clubs have started playing out from the back because Pep introduced it, but most of them don't do it very well.
Our ten years of promotion, relative success in the Premier League and our only ever FA Cup final were down to good management. Nothing to do with DOFs or Sporting Directors.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2022 19:35:09 GMT
I can't speak for other clubs. Other clubs have started playing out from the back because Pep introduced it, but most of them don't do it very well. Our ten years of promotion, relative success in the Premier League and our only ever FA Cup final were down to good management. Nothing to do with DOFs or Sporting Directors. Times change. For once it would be nice if we could move with them.
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Post by Gods on Mar 7, 2022 20:36:18 GMT
The good manager would be the final arbiter working with the recruitment team within the budget set by the Chief Exec in his negotiations with the Board. Kind of how it has always worked, or not worked (!), in recent times. Guess I'm not convinced an extra pipe and slippers man sitting upstairs contemplating the meaning of life over a coffee and a couple of bourbon biscuits would help much, in fact it may even hinder. And he's another one to pay off when it all goes Pete Tong! But we don't have a Chief exec either at the moment, so it (DOF) might not be an extra mouth to feed, just a different type of mouth I know, but I think a Chief Exec is a critical appointment, we really must have a professional running the whole operation from Ticket Office to Catering and Sponsorship to Finance and Sales and Marketing to HR.
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Post by wiltspotter9 on Mar 7, 2022 20:59:21 GMT
Does any one else think it’s set for Ryan to sort us out
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2022 20:59:48 GMT
Does any one else think it’s set for Ryan to sort us out No.
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Post by loosestools on Mar 7, 2022 21:02:43 GMT
Does any one else think it’s set for Ryan to sort us out Not yet. Would be a disaster in my book
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Post by mowlee on Mar 7, 2022 21:05:01 GMT
Does any one else think it’s set for Ryan to sort us out Not yet. Would be a disaster in my book I agree mate.. too early.. needs abit of experience.. would be nice in the future tho.. proper stoke legend
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 7, 2022 22:40:59 GMT
The Coates family are the best thing that has ever happened to our club. Without them, we would have spent time in the 4th Division and not the Prem. The Icelanders were keen but in the end seemed naïve and we were in difficult position when they left. Who on Earth would have bought us at that juncture. Certainly not a multi-billionaire Stoke City fanatic who was prepared to chuck money at the club. I think you're forgetting the shit show they ran before they pulled a fast one on the Icelandics. It was the Icelandics who saved the club from oblivion until Denise struck gold.
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 7, 2022 22:44:09 GMT
Seems like semantics to me. You'd still have the same issues between a Sporting director and manager as you would between a DOF and manager. Management structures, in my view, work better when they're simpler. Introduce new tiers and everybody wants the credit when things go right and there's a lot of finger pointing when things go wrong. Why have so many clubs embraced it then, do you think? Again it makes sense from the perspective of identity and continuity. If you daren't appoint Johnny Foreigner as a manager, the chances of embracing a foreign structure for the club are slim
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 7, 2022 22:49:55 GMT
Amazed we’ve been through the last 6 years, spent the money we have spent, finished in the bottom half 3 times with one of the most expensively assembled EFL squads ever and people still think that because a transfer and recruitment system worked for a manager nearly a decade ago it’s still the right way to run a football club.
I don’t give a shit what worked or didn’t work for Pulis frankly, it’s ancient history and if the solution is to just get a “good manager” then what do we do? Just wait until we luck out with a manager who is going to walk into this clusterfuck of a club and just happen to sort it out?
Jones and Rowett are finishing above us on a fraction of the budget, there’s so much to modern football than management or at the very least facilitates good management. We are totally lacking in either scenario.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 7, 2022 23:41:43 GMT
The Coates family are the best thing that has ever happened to our club. Without them, we would have spent time in the 4th Division and not the Prem. The Icelanders were keen but in the end seemed naïve and we were in difficult position when they left. Who on Earth would have bought us at that juncture. Certainly not a multi-billionaire Stoke City fanatic who was prepared to chuck money at the club. I think you're forgetting the shit show they ran before they pulled a fast one on the Icelandics. It was the Icelandics who saved the club from oblivion until Denise struck gold. I doubt there’s many who remember the Kings Hall being packed to the rafters on a night of torrential rain to protest about PC’s running of the club nor the invasion of the Waddington Suite after losing 7 to Birmingham.
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Post by 36dd on Mar 8, 2022 8:35:10 GMT
I think you're forgetting the shit show they ran before they pulled a fast one on the Icelandics. It was the Icelandics who saved the club from oblivion until Denise struck gold. I doubt there’s many who remember the Kings Hall being packed to the rafters on a night of torrential rain to protest about PC’s running of the club nor the invasion of the Waddington Suite after losing 7 to Birmingham. 100% remember the invasion of the Waddington Suite, I was there that game, same match that a fan ran on to the pitch and chucked his season ticket at Andy Griffin.
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 8, 2022 16:04:10 GMT
I wonder if the reason for not replacing the CEO and/or creating a hybrid CEO/DOF is that we're running too close to future FFP sanctions?
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