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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2022 13:43:23 GMT
I keep forgetting we have Duhaney.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 13:57:21 GMT
Is Fox injured again or just out of favour? I've always thought him ok as traditional lb, better defender than Tymon. Coates on loan? So no option but to play the hapless Smith. Smith Wilmot Jagielka(if fit)/Moore Fox Ahead of Coates in the queue would be Duhaney, so there is another option, but whether it's a good one is not for me to say. I've never seen him play. wasn't he more wing back cover for Smith when we were still playing 5 at back. Only seen him once myself and can't say I really noticed him. Probably an option though like you say.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2022 14:01:14 GMT
......................Bursik........................ Smith.........Moore...........Wilmot...........Fox ...................Allen....Baker................... ......................Powell........................ Campbell...............Maja....................DWP This if Jags still can't play. I think both THB and Tymon needs a break, but they might be unable to play anyway. If Jags is available I'd keep playing Wilmot at right back and reinstall Jags at central defence. Tymon should be dropped for me fit or not. He just isn't a fullback. Think he has improved as a left back, but he still makes too many wrong decisions on and off the ball.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 25, 2022 14:08:26 GMT
Tymon should be dropped for me fit or not. He just isn't a fullback. Think he has improved as a left back, but he still makes too many wrong decisions on and off the ball. He's got a really poor footballing brain and there are times you need one. His best bits are when he crosses on instinct, most of the time he runs around like a terrier which is useful on occasion but only gets you so far in football and at this level. He gets in decent attacking positions but mostly isn't able to deliver from them. His defending has improved, but up until recently it was not even part of his game so he started from a low marker. We basically have very poor options for full backs and wing backs imo. Both goals v Luton demonstrated this. Look at the way Smith lost Jerome for the goal. He switches off as well. Fox loses concentration and his passing is terrible, the odd killer cross though and he tries to keep his positioning at least. I dont think Wilmot is a RB or RWB either, or if he is, its going to take a lot of work. From what Ive seen previously Moore is very capable at this level, he was quieter than I expected in midweek, I thought he might be captain material. But everyone had a mare on Wednesday.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 25, 2022 14:16:30 GMT
If there is no Tymon, or THB - Smith, Wilmot, Jagielka, Fox.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2022 14:22:27 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Moore looked very dodgy. Scared almost. Odd for a player with such experience.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2022 14:23:27 GMT
If there is no Tymon, or THB - Smith, Wilmot, Jagielka, Fox. If there’s no Jagielka….. ….we better start praying he’s fit!!
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Post by mowlee on Feb 25, 2022 14:24:18 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Moore looked very dodgy. Scared almost. Odd for a player with such experience. I agree.. nerves maybe.. but like u say.. abit odd with his age an experience
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 14:26:18 GMT
Think he has improved as a left back, but he still makes too many wrong decisions on and off the ball. He's got a really poor footballing brain and there are times you need one. His best bits are when he crosses on instinct, most of the time he runs around like a terrier which is useful on occasion but only gets you so far in football and at this level. He gets in decent attacking positions but mostly isn't able to deliver from them. His defending has improved, but up until recently it was not even part of his game so he started from a low marker. We basically have very poor options for full backs and wing backs imo. Both goals v Luton demonstrated this. Look at the way Smith lost Jerome for the goal. He switches off as well. Fox loses concentration and his passing is terrible, the odd killer cross though and he tries to keep his positioning at least. I dont think Wilmot is a RB or RWB either, or if he is, its going to take a lot of work. From what Ive seen previously Moore is very capable at this level, he was quieter than I expected in midweek, I thought he might be captain material. But everyone had a mare on Wednesday. Agree with most of that. Just think Fox is a decent natural defender. The failed attempt to play him lcb seems to have tainted him. For me he is a much better option than Tymon especially in a game where we are going to be on the back foot a lot of the time.
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Post by mowlee on Feb 25, 2022 14:29:07 GMT
He's got a really poor footballing brain and there are times you need one. His best bits are when he crosses on instinct, most of the time he runs around like a terrier which is useful on occasion but only gets you so far in football and at this level. He gets in decent attacking positions but mostly isn't able to deliver from them. His defending has improved, but up until recently it was not even part of his game so he started from a low marker. We basically have very poor options for full backs and wing backs imo. Both goals v Luton demonstrated this. Look at the way Smith lost Jerome for the goal. He switches off as well. Fox loses concentration and his passing is terrible, the odd killer cross though and he tries to keep his positioning at least. I dont think Wilmot is a RB or RWB either, or if he is, its going to take a lot of work. From what Ive seen previously Moore is very capable at this level, he was quieter than I expected in midweek, I thought he might be captain material. But everyone had a mare on Wednesday. Agree with most of that. Just think Fox is a decent natural defender. The failed attempt to play him lcb seems to have tainted him. For me he is a much better option than Tymon especially in a game where we are going to be on the back foot a lot of the time. we would definitely be more solid with fox at left back.. Tymon is more of a wingback.. defending is not his forte
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2022 14:31:05 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Moore looked very dodgy. Scared almost. Odd for a player with such experience. Yeah it was a very strange effort for such an experienced player and former captain too.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 25, 2022 14:39:37 GMT
Moore looked very dodgy. Scared almost. Odd for a player with such experience. Yeah it was a very strange effort for such an experienced player and former captain too. All of the team looked like rabbits in headlights on Wednesday and in a football club that can be contagious. I don't think he was that bad, relatively speaking, I thought the other CB was more ropey, as were all the other defenders and maybe that doesn't help either. I can recall two bits of good defending from Moore one where he bailed out TWB after a suicidal pass.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2022 14:53:43 GMT
Think he has improved as a left back, but he still makes too many wrong decisions on and off the ball. He's got a really poor footballing brain and there are times you need one. His best bits are when he crosses on instinct, most of the time he runs around like a terrier which is useful on occasion but only gets you so far in football and at this level. He gets in decent attacking positions but mostly isn't able to deliver from them. His defending has improved, but up until recently it was not even part of his game so he started from a low marker. We basically have very poor options for full backs and wing backs imo. Both goals v Luton demonstrated this. Look at the way Smith lost Jerome for the goal. He switches off as well. Fox loses concentration and his passing is terrible, the odd killer cross though and he tries to keep his positioning at least. I dont think Wilmot is a RB or RWB either, or if he is, its going to take a lot of work. From what Ive seen previously Moore is very capable at this level, he was quieter than I expected in midweek, I thought he might be captain material. But everyone had a mare on Wednesday. I really agree with what you say about Tymon and his understanding of the game. He is an instinct player with good physical ability, but I really don't think he'll ever be a very good footballer though. Anyway, he is making a good living out of his limited talent.
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Post by jokker on Feb 25, 2022 14:54:16 GMT
Ahead of Coates in the queue would be Duhaney, so there is another option, but whether it's a good one is not for me to say. I've never seen him play. wasn't he more wing back cover for Smith when we were still playing 5 at back. Only seen him once myself and can't say I really noticed him. Probably an option though like you say. I wouldn't be surprised to see us return to a 5 at the back if we have to play Smith on the left and Duhaney on the right. The central defence might not need the xtra man, but the complete defence would, to cover for any mistakes that might occur, especially with a rightsided lb/lwb, and an attackminded rwb. I didn't hear complete interviews with O'Neill, but I did hear him say pointedly that there would have to be changes made.
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Post by jokker on Feb 25, 2022 15:21:39 GMT
Moore looked very dodgy. Scared almost. Odd for a player with such experience. Yeah it was a very strange effort for such an experienced player and former captain too. He's been through some nasty business at Reading. One day captain, next day dropped, not to play again for weeks/months. I don't know the exact facts, as I've zero interest in Reading. But whatever happened must have left him with low confidence, not to mention lack of match practice. Then he makes his debut at Stoke and is promptly dropped again. Not a good situation for Moore.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 25, 2022 15:31:42 GMT
He's got a really poor footballing brain and there are times you need one. His best bits are when he crosses on instinct, most of the time he runs around like a terrier which is useful on occasion but only gets you so far in football and at this level. He gets in decent attacking positions but mostly isn't able to deliver from them. His defending has improved, but up until recently it was not even part of his game so he started from a low marker. We basically have very poor options for full backs and wing backs imo. Both goals v Luton demonstrated this. Look at the way Smith lost Jerome for the goal. He switches off as well. Fox loses concentration and his passing is terrible, the odd killer cross though and he tries to keep his positioning at least. I dont think Wilmot is a RB or RWB either, or if he is, its going to take a lot of work. From what Ive seen previously Moore is very capable at this level, he was quieter than I expected in midweek, I thought he might be captain material. But everyone had a mare on Wednesday. I really agree with what you say about Tymon and his understanding of the game. He is an instinct player with good physical ability, but I really don't think he'll ever be a very good footballer though. Anyway, he is making a good living out of his limited talent. He's 10/10 for effort and he has some ability to work with I feel, and at his age he can definitely improve, but someone really needs to sit down with him and organise how he can best use what he has and how he can develop. He wont develop running around like a headless chicken 90 minutes every game. He's got to learn to somehow cut out fundamental errors of judgement in the heat of the moment.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 25, 2022 16:13:30 GMT
Does it real matter? They are all prone to mistakes that lead to conceding a goal.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2022 17:31:48 GMT
I really agree with what you say about Tymon and his understanding of the game. He is an instinct player with good physical ability, but I really don't think he'll ever be a very good footballer though. Anyway, he is making a good living out of his limited talent. He's 10/10 for effort and he has some ability to work with I feel, and at his age he can definitely improve, but someone really needs to sit down with him and organise how he can best use what he has and how he can develop. He wont develop running around like a headless chicken 90 minutes every game. He's got to learn to somehow cut out fundamental errors of judgement in the heat of the moment. He certainly has improved this season, but his decision making needs to improve a lot more really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 18:37:07 GMT
Top and bottom of it is none of our fullbacks/wingbacks are good enough for a side who aspire to be near the top of the table. Priority in the summer for whoever is manager has to be 2 first choice fullbacks.
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 25, 2022 18:41:01 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Don't understand why Fox has been frozen out in a back four. Better option than Tymon. He's really not very good. When he isn't in the side he's fine, it's when he's on the pitch it becomes a problem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 18:47:55 GMT
Don't understand why Fox has been frozen out in a back four. Better option than Tymon. He's really not very good. When he isn't in the side he's fine, it's when he's on the pitch it becomes a problem Never said he was good (see my post above) but he is a better defender than Tymon
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 25, 2022 18:50:00 GMT
He's really not very good. When he isn't in the side he's fine, it's when he's on the pitch it becomes a problem Never said he was good (see my post above) but he is a better defender than Tymon I've not seen that in him I'm afraid, he is so immobile, especially at LB, gets away with it a bit more at CB, but can't see him being here next season
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Post by jokker on Feb 25, 2022 18:53:33 GMT
I really agree with what you say about Tymon and his understanding of the game. He is an instinct player with good physical ability, but I really don't think he'll ever be a very good footballer though. Anyway, he is making a good living out of his limited talent. He's 10/10 for effort and he has some ability to work with I feel, and at his age he can definitely improve, but someone really needs to sit down with him and organise how he can best use what he has and how he can develop. He wont develop running around like a headless chicken 90 minutes every game. He's got to learn to somehow cut out fundamental errors of judgement in the heat of the moment. He's O'Neill's favourite scholar and his pick for poty, so no doubt he will be happy to provide Josh with some hints, but the question is if the manager hasn't made a man defender out of him yet, is lb a position that's gonna work well long term? When Clucas has been playing alongside him, they've combined really well, with Clucas covering the space (sometimes) while Josh is running fast forward, sort of like Kroos used to do with Marcelo, who's had a career of a poor defender playing at leftback, for well over 10 years, because he could do special things going forward- If Clucas is not picked, then the replacement(s) don't seem to think their role the same way as Sam does. Not Thompson, Sawyers, or Baker. Chester, when played, has never seemed to see backup as part of his job. So if Tymon does win poty will he follow previous award winners (McClean, Clucas) as a luxury we can do without?
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 25, 2022 20:52:45 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Is it just me that thinks that THB has been awful so far? Not impressed by him at all!
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Post by onepara on Feb 25, 2022 20:54:22 GMT
Get Coates and Forrester in. Coates is out on loan.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 25, 2022 20:58:50 GMT
Get Coates and Forrester in. Coates is out on loan. So I've heard
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 25, 2022 22:30:09 GMT
Got a feeling he'll switch to 352 for this
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 25, 2022 23:24:42 GMT
Really didn't like Moore's performance. Smith needs to come in at right back anyway. Fox is fine at left back and again should have been coming in anyway. Smith Wilmot THB Fox Is it just me that thinks that THB has been awful so far? Not impressed by him at all! This is a good point. I thought he looked ropey to start with, raw, then he grew on me with a few settled composed performances. But he is capable of holding on to the ball too long and the odd horrendous pass across the back. Needs to be aware alot more, in fairness he is young so will get better at a club like Man City. The back four v Luton were all over the shop second half, Wilmot does nowt for me anyway, Moore was rusty but there is a good centre half in there, THB was dodgy as said and Tymon was Tymon. Never a left back in a million years and built up by the manager to be something he isn't. Missed Jagielka too. Plenty of rebuilding this summer, forget loans, get players of potential on contracts alongside a sprinkling of experience.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 26, 2022 10:13:27 GMT
Moore plays backwards way too much. Needs to look forward more and move the ball quicker. The fornt players must move and find space to receive the ball. Brown for me is more workmanlike than Maja, these should be rotated and subs made at or just after half time.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 26, 2022 10:31:48 GMT
Yeah it was a very strange effort for such an experienced player and former captain too. He's been through some nasty business at Reading. One day captain, next day dropped, not to play again for weeks/months. I don't know the exact facts, as I've zero interest in Reading. But whatever happened must have left him with low confidence, not to mention lack of match practice. Then he makes his debut at Stoke and is promptly dropped again. Not a good situation for Moore. Nasty business of his own making. Despite being captain, one of the best wages at the club and eighteen months left on his contract didn't he tell Reading he had no desire to play for them past January and would be looking for another club in the transfer window? Reading did exactly what I would want Stoke to do in that situation.
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