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Post by pottersrule on Feb 13, 2022 19:03:41 GMT
If sawyers plays then Powell does not. We know he can’t do dirty work. Hope MON doesn’t cause the same problem as previously, trying to get to many creative players in. Balance is good at present. We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis His contract is up in the summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2022 19:12:01 GMT
You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere. Agree but I fancy sawyers baker Powell will give decent. Balance too but we will only know when we try It doesn’t because playing Sawyers in a deeper role loads all of the off the ball work and defensive side of things onto one player, the poor side playing alongside him.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2022 19:30:15 GMT
We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis His contract is up in the summer. Fair point but clearly he can still stay there if offered or ho eisewhere , id love him here as our player
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 15, 2022 10:09:54 GMT
If sawyers plays then Powell does not. We know he can’t do dirty work. Hope MON doesn’t cause the same problem as previously, trying to get to many creative players in. Balance is good at present. We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis The midfield shape we are playing at the moment is 21 not 12 so with those players it would be: Sawyers Baker Powell There is a reasonable argument for a 12 but the sitting midfielder would be a classic DM and despite the competition for places in midfield we still don't have an out and out DM. Baker is a decent tackler but he really isn't a DM - his instincts (like Sawyers) is to get forward rather than just sit. Given the type of players we have 21 makes more sense as it provides bodies and, providing the discipline is there, it allows one of the 2 to support the attack and the other to provide the cover. At the moment the 2 in midfield are Allen and Baker but I can see Sawyers and Baker being tried before long as that is more likely to be the future combination. As with all systems there are pros and cons - with the players we have we look like we should have lots of options and creativity going forward but the defensive cover remains quite weak and in theory at least we remain vulnerable to a quick counter attack. In practice this hasn't been our problem - we've tended to concede from defensive lapses and goalkeeping errors rather than teams exploiting the space between the midfield and defence and that's as much to do with inexperience as anything. I'm not a fan of playing with 2 DMs - it blunts your attacking options - but I do get the value of a back 4 with a 12 in midfield with the 1 as an out and out sitting DM. The thing is we still don't have one and I can't see us reverting to that formation until we get one in the summer should O'Neill want to shape up that way.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 15, 2022 13:59:52 GMT
I could see Sawyers joining us next season on a free, with the wages Allen gives up (if he does). He would offer a good alternate to Powell and allow him to come off/be rested. We haven't been able to do that really this season. He could do the current Baker role, if it were a bit more advanced also.
The problem is, he is a very expensive second choice number 10 or 8. As much as I think he would be good for us, I don't think he'll represent good value for money.
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Post by redandy on Feb 15, 2022 14:08:15 GMT
I'd swap him straight for Allen, then we'd keep possession much more. Allens ball retention and passing is a weak link for me.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 15, 2022 15:18:14 GMT
I'd swap him straight for Allen, then we'd keep possession much more. Allens ball retention and passing is a weak link for me. He's a fantastic player on the ball, awful off it. The polar opposite to Allen in fact.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 15, 2022 15:24:24 GMT
I'd swap him straight for Allen, then we'd keep possession much more. Allens ball retention and passing is a weak link for me. He's a fantastic player on the ball, awful off it. The polar opposite to Allen in fact. Can’t we sellotape them together and hope we get the best of both?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 15, 2022 15:28:11 GMT
He's a fantastic player on the ball, awful off it. The polar opposite to Allen in fact. Can’t we sellotape them together and hope we get the best of both? Cut them in half? As long as we kept the right bits. Be one awful player if we threw the good bits away.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 9, 2022 9:44:32 GMT
theathletic.com/3238397/2022/04/08/bruce-is-a-fan-of-romaine-sawyers-will-he-be-back-at-albion-next-seasonRomaine Sawyers is out of contract at the end of the season so the 30-year-old, who is ineligible to face his full-time employers, would be an easy player to offload. But Albion have an option to extend the former Brentford midfielder’s deal by an extra year. Sawyers is waiting to discover that decision, happy to return, content to remain at Stoke and unsure yet whether he will get the offer to do either. Albion have until the third week of May to inform the ex-Walsall midfielder of their intentions, after which Stoke might well have their own decision to make. At both clubs, disappointingly stuck in the middle of the Championship, there are a host of moving parts that are likely to influence Sawyers’ future. The most obvious factors in the equation are the futures of the respective managers, West Brom’s Steve Bruce and Michael O’Neill of Stoke. They are under contract for next season but are finding their positions the subject of serious debate among supporters, having been unable to halt their teams’ slides down the table. O’Neill is a confirmed fan of Sawyers and Bruce is likely to be looking for extra craft in possession if he is given the chance to reshape his squad in the summer. With Bruce and O’Neill still in their jobs, it seems entirely possible that Sawyers will get an opportunity next season either in the Black Country or in the Potteries. Should either man leave their posts, however, Sawyers’ future may well be affected. “He made a difference when he came on last weekend when I watched Stoke against Sheffield United,” said Bruce. “Then he scored in midweek against Reading. He’s a good footballer. “It’s all about decisions and other managers have different ways, but I’ve always liked him as a player. He’s in our thoughts (for next season).”
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 9, 2022 9:50:10 GMT
theathletic.com/3238397/2022/04/08/bruce-is-a-fan-of-romaine-sawyers-will-he-be-back-at-albion-next-seasonRomaine Sawyers is out of contract at the end of the season so the 30-year-old, who is ineligible to face his full-time employers, would be an easy player to offload. But Albion have an option to extend the former Brentford midfielder’s deal by an extra year. Sawyers is waiting to discover that decision, happy to return, content to remain at Stoke and unsure yet whether he will get the offer to do either. Albion have until the third week of May to inform the ex-Walsall midfielder of their intentions, after which Stoke might well have their own decision to make. At both clubs, disappointingly stuck in the middle of the Championship, there are a host of moving parts that are likely to influence Sawyers’ future. The most obvious factors in the equation are the futures of the respective managers, West Brom’s Steve Bruce and Michael O’Neill of Stoke. They are under contract for next season but are finding their positions the subject of serious debate among supporters, having been unable to halt their teams’ slides down the table. O’Neill is a confirmed fan of Sawyers and Bruce is likely to be looking for extra craft in possession if he is given the chance to reshape his squad in the summer. With Bruce and O’Neill still in their jobs, it seems entirely possible that Sawyers will get an opportunity next season either in the Black Country or in the Potteries. Should either man leave their posts, however, Sawyers’ future may well be affected. “He made a difference when he came on last weekend when I watched Stoke against Sheffield United,” said Bruce. “Then he scored in midweek against Reading. He’s a good footballer. “It’s all about decisions and other managers have different ways, but I’ve always liked him as a player. He’s in our thoughts (for next season).” Please, please, please Steve Bruce save us from another monumental fuck up.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 9, 2022 10:12:55 GMT
A good example of why technical ability isn’t all that in this league. He doesn’t compete successfully for enough 50-50s to be useful for us. He can’t play deep, isn’t as effective as Baker and won’t be as important to the team as Powell.
He’ll command a large wage and effectively be an understudy.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 9, 2022 10:21:59 GMT
A good example of why technical ability isn’t all that in this league. He doesn’t compete successfully for enough 50-50s to be useful for us. He can’t play deep, isn’t as effective as Baker and won’t be as important to the team as Powell. He’ll command a large wage and effectively be an understudy. Technical ability is great to have but it doesn't normally have to come at the expense of being totally non combatant. I suppose I hadn't realised until we signed him just how nesh he is. I'm pretty sure you could find school girls with more bite and endeavour and that's before we get on to his comical efforts to challenge for an aerial ball or for that matter head the ball unchallenged.
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Post by questionable on Apr 9, 2022 10:31:27 GMT
He’s not for me I’m afraid as 95% of the time you don’t realise he’s on the pitch, other than his goal on Tuesday he was dire continually slipping over or getting caught on the ball.
We need players that stand out rather than standing around.
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 9, 2022 10:37:30 GMT
another Ince he is not for me
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 9, 2022 10:44:37 GMT
another Ince he is not for me Makes Ince look like a destroyer.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 9, 2022 12:08:52 GMT
Judging by Bruce's comments it looks like he'll stay at West Brom.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 9, 2022 12:12:28 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 9, 2022 12:44:42 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic I like him, he's the best passer of the ball at the club by some way but has to play as a number 10 for me because his lack of tackling is a problem for us when played deeper. I prefer Powell as a number 10 so can we really afford him as a back up ?
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Post by questionable on Apr 9, 2022 13:03:18 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic I like him, he's the best passer of the ball at the club by some way but has to play as a number 10 for me because his lack of tackling is a problem for us when played deeper. I prefer Powell as a number 10 so can we really afford him as a back up ? No competition when it comes to passing as the rest of the team are useless at it, then add to the equation he’s got nobody to pass to going forward as it’s backwards or sideways with MoN at the helm
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Post by jokker on Apr 9, 2022 13:35:43 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic Let's just see if Bruce is still manager at the end of the season. He's been brought in specifically to bring promotion, but after today WBA could be ten points from 6th with five to go.
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Post by lordb on Apr 9, 2022 13:38:21 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic I prefer Vrancic however he's struggled with injuries (which he's going to his age) and particularly without Powell Vrancic and Powell spark each other off
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Post by hotpot on Apr 11, 2022 6:06:18 GMT
Good player, hopeless defender. One year contract at most.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 11, 2022 6:46:13 GMT
Good player, hopeless defender. One year contract at most. But he’s not a defender
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2022 6:50:50 GMT
Good player, hopeless defender. One year contract at most. But he’s not a defender Everyone is a defender in their area of the pitch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2022 6:51:00 GMT
Good player, hopeless defender. One year contract at most. But he’s not a defender But if he’s playing as one of two he has to offer something defensively and he simply hasn’t. Which has been disappointing. As an alternative to Powell I think I’d be happy with him. But he shouldn’t be used deeper.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 11, 2022 8:33:56 GMT
Bruce will utilise his option for sure shame as I think he is a better bet than vranic I prefer Vrancic however he's struggled with injuries (which he's going to his age) and particularly without Powell Vrancic and Powell spark each other off I'm a fan of Vrancic - a good range of passes and his dead ball delivery is top class. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Vrancic had just one significant injury all season? He's been subbed regularly to ease him back in but he looks fit as a flea to me and doesn't seem particularly injury prone. I also think we could do a lot worse than Sawyers but it sounds like he'll be back at West Brom next season if Bruce stays
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 11, 2022 8:43:31 GMT
I prefer Vrancic however he's struggled with injuries (which he's going to his age) and particularly without Powell Vrancic and Powell spark each other off I'm a fan of Vrancic - a good range of passes and his dead ball delivery is top class. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Vrancic had just one significant injury all season? He's been subbed regularly to ease him back in but he looks fit as a flea to me and doesn't seem particularly injury prone. I also think we could do a lot worse than Sawyers but it sounds like he'll be back at West Brom next season if Bruce stays Strange season from Vrancic. First half season he was involved in virtually everything good we did. Second half of the season he just seems to have become anonymous. Not sure what sort of money he’s on but if it’s a lot I think I’d be tempted to cut him loose and look for a younger, cheaper creative midfielder.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 11, 2022 8:45:17 GMT
I prefer Vrancic however he's struggled with injuries (which he's going to his age) and particularly without Powell Vrancic and Powell spark each other off I'm a fan of Vrancic - a good range of passes and his dead ball delivery is top class. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Vrancic had just one significant injury all season? He's been subbed regularly to ease him back in but he looks fit as a flea to me and doesn't seem particularly injury prone. I also think we could do a lot worse than Sawyers but it sounds like he'll be back at West Brom next season if Bruce stays Boing Boing Bruce in.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 11, 2022 9:03:21 GMT
I'm a fan of Vrancic - a good range of passes and his dead ball delivery is top class. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Vrancic had just one significant injury all season? He's been subbed regularly to ease him back in but he looks fit as a flea to me and doesn't seem particularly injury prone. I also think we could do a lot worse than Sawyers but it sounds like he'll be back at West Brom next season if Bruce stays Strange season from Vrancic. First half season he was involved in virtually everything good we did. Second half of the season he just seems to have become anonymous. Not sure what sort of money he’s on but if it’s a lot I think I’d be tempted to cut him loose and look for a younger, cheaper creative midfielder. Second half of the season he's been coming back from a bad injury and is only now coming back to full fitness. He's also come back into the team during our worst run of results. It's quite telling that the only game in the last 4 he hasn't played was Reading away - where we lost. I think some people thought Vrancic was just going to be cover for Powell and can't adjust to the fact that he's been one of our best players all season and worthy of a place in the starting 11 on merit. I don't know what his stats are but I wouldn't be surprised if he has the highest win ratio of all the players in the squad. I really can't see any reason not to extend his contract.
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