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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 13, 2022 10:02:34 GMT
Apart from QPR away our goalkeepers have been poor (average if I'm being generous) all season.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Feb 13, 2022 11:22:19 GMT
I don't think there is a genuine top keeper in the whole league. Even Sam Johnstone has been in and out of the baggies team. Bursik is on par with most and has the potential to be better. Bonham though, blimey he is miles off it.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 13, 2022 13:44:09 GMT
At least they don't go around slapping people.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 13, 2022 14:07:23 GMT
Bursik will improve his all round game - he’s a baby in goal keeping terms.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2022 14:25:32 GMT
Discussing an equaliser which several players could share the blame for, including possibly our gk, is a bit ironic considering we were leading thanks to a goal which can totally be laid at the door of their goalkeeper. That doesn't happen very often, in fact I can't ever remember seeing a penalty given away unprovoked by a goalkeeper who had the ball in his hands and his team waiting for him to put them on the offensive! Be thankful we aren't discussing our gk imploding so spectacularly.
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Post by thicknthin on Feb 13, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
I don't think there is a genuine top keeper in the whole league. Even Sam Johnstone has been in and out of the baggies team. Bursik is on par with most and has the potential to be better. Bonham though, blimey he is miles off it. Preston goalie looks the mustard
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Post by stokiojoe on Feb 13, 2022 19:09:25 GMT
Don’t understand people pointing the finger at Bursik, the biggest disappointment for me was the fact that after the penalty, we had 10 minutes with a Forest outfield player in goal and didn’t manage a single shot to test him
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Post by everyoneneedsawhelan on Feb 13, 2022 20:22:04 GMT
And Butland was one of the best keepers in the PL at one point. What’s your point? But was absolutely awful for us for 18 months. I’m not sure what your Point is? That to be a keeper in any England reckoning you have to be a very talented player. Which Butland definitely was and still is. As we all know, his confidence was the downfall. Joe Bursik will be a Premier League regular.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 13, 2022 21:39:37 GMT
Goalkeeper errors often lead to goals being conceded and are therefore easily highlighted - and remembered Even one error can lead to loss of one or three points. I just wonder how many 'errors' are committed by outfield players that also lead to goals being conceded and loss of points. Quite often, the error can occur two or more passing movements BEFORE the goal is conceded and the original 'villain' is overlooked as the error doesn't immediately precede the actual goal. Personally, I often regard the goalie as the 'patsy' for others' mistakes and often gets the blame when there is collective culpability. It's just my observation as one among many.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2022 21:51:15 GMT
Goalkeeper errors often lead to goals being conceded and are therefore easily highlighted - and remembered Even one error can lead to loss of one or three points. I just wonder how many 'errors' are committed by outfield players that also lead to goals being conceded and loss of points. Quite often, the error can occur two or more passing movements BEFORE the goal is conceded and the original 'villain' is overlooked as the error doesn't immediately precede the actual goal. Personally, I often regard the goalie as the 'patsy' for others' mistakes and often gets the blame when there is collective culpability. It's just my observation as one among many. The difference being, keepers don’t run around a football pitch for 90 odd minutes. They wait and do their job when the time arrives. Critical that they do that as they’ve got not that much else to be in the team for. You can excuse an error now and again but regular mistakes in a position that doesn’t require that much involvement generally means they’re surplus to requirements. Of course, with that, there is immense pressure to do that. Especially a young keeper like our own Joe Bursik. Happy to see him learn from mistakes, it can be a lonely world being a goalkeeper
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Post by thestatusquo on Feb 14, 2022 10:31:27 GMT
I don't think there is a genuine top keeper in the whole league. Even Sam Johnstone has been in and out of the baggies team. Bursik is on par with most and has the potential to be better. Bonham though, blimey he is miles off it. The guy at Preston Iversen (sp?) looks really good. I think he’s on loan from Leicester I think.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2022 15:13:11 GMT
I watched the highlights not long ago having not seen their equaliser.. thought Joe’s save from the free kick was incredible. I actually considered starting a thread about it being overlooked, my first thought was it was probably the best individual bit of play of the whole game. Forest fans were certain it was in too. Superb reaction save.
Completely gobsmacked at the first few posts in this thread.
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Post by AlliG on Feb 14, 2022 17:17:01 GMT
Discussing an equaliser which several players could share the blame for, including possibly our gk, is a bit ironic considering we were leading thanks to a goal which can totally be laid at the door of their goalkeeper. That doesn't happen very often, in fact I can't ever remember seeing a penalty given away unprovoked by a goalkeeper who had the ball in his hands and his team waiting for him to put them on the offensive! Be thankful we aren't discussing our gk imploding so spectacularly. There is something to be said for being old. I am sure there are a few on here who can remember our keeper Alan Irvine head-butting Allan Clarke in an embarrassing 2-0 home FA Cup tie defeat against 4th Division Walsall in the mid 1960s to concede a penalty. An incident that instantly finished his Stoke career.
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Post by lordb on Feb 14, 2022 17:20:25 GMT
I watched the highlights not long ago having not seen their equaliser.. thought Joe’s save from the free kick was incredible. I actually considered starting a thread about it being overlooked, my first thought was it was probably the best individual bit of play of the whole game. Forest fans were certain it was in too. Superb reaction save. Completely gobsmacked at the first few posts in this thread. just had another look at the highlights myself after what you said it's a very well struck free kick, Bursik not at fault for me
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2022 18:51:11 GMT
Injuries haven't helped but our keepers have cost us more points than any other area of the team this season. Every single one of them have been incapable of making straightforward saves at key times of games. Disappointed in bursik for the 2nd goal today. He has to do better. Do you sti think the same now you've had time to watch the highlights? Or were you just on the windup?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 14, 2022 22:10:10 GMT
Injuries haven't helped but our keepers have cost us more points than any other area of the team this season. Every single one of them have been incapable of making straightforward saves at key times of games. Disappointed in bursik for the 2nd goal today. He has to do better. Do you sti think the same now you've had time to watch the highlights? Or were you just on the windup? Why would I be on a wind up? I like Bursik but he should have done better. He has to get that ball over the bar or away from danger. It's not necessarily a glaring mistake or rank bad goalkeeping but genuinely, I believe a keeper on top of his game does better than he did there. I'd bet my life he was disappointed with himself after the game.
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Post by whatsashig on Feb 14, 2022 23:29:10 GMT
Prior to this hopefully uplift in how our games are going we was culpable of mistakes anywhere on the pitch, we look better 🤞
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Post by southstanddan on Feb 15, 2022 7:54:08 GMT
If our players were perfect they wouldn’t be our players would they?
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Post by Gods on Feb 15, 2022 8:03:06 GMT
I watched the highlights not long ago having not seen their equaliser.. thought Joe’s save from the free kick was incredible. I actually considered starting a thread about it being overlooked, my first thought was it was probably the best individual bit of play of the whole game. Forest fans were certain it was in too. Superb reaction save. Completely gobsmacked at the first few posts in this thread. It was indeed a heck of a save!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 15, 2022 16:40:59 GMT
I think the OP is right - none of the goalkeepers have really looked that reliable and have cost us points. I absolutely get that Bursik has the potential to make the position his own but he's not there yet and I think we need a decent keeper in the summer to take over if Bursik doesn't step up a notch.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 15, 2022 19:08:30 GMT
Injuries haven't helped but our keepers have cost us more points than any other area of the team this season. Every single one of them have been incapable of making straightforward saves at key times of games. Disappointed in bursik for the 2nd goal today. He has to do better. Why do Stoke fans seem hell bent on highlighting any perceived shortcomings in a players performances,support the lads and give them confidence,they must know when they have been below par without being reminded by the " experts" on here.
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