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Post by kustokie on Feb 12, 2022 19:24:35 GMT
What happened? First live game in two years. I was right in line with the goal in the midst of the Forest who stood blocked my view and I didn’t see a thing.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2022 19:50:49 GMT
Love how people who've never spent a moment of their lives in goal seem to think how easy everything is. It WAS a good save, he did fuck all wrong. So is that the benchmark? To comment on any “error” or passage of play you need to have first played in that position? It should have gone over the bar. That aside, great performance from the team The benchmark is simply havimg a clue what you're talking about. Much in the same way that people who moan everytime someone up front has a half chance and moaning because they don't score every single time. It's simply knowing the game and being realistic about the game we're playing, the division we're in and therefore the expectations of any player in any position. If you want or expect world class performances from keepers or forwards week in, week out, watch the top 4 in the Prem. As you say, it was a damn good performance but people are just looking for scapegoats every time we don't get 3 points, in this case they're looking in entirely the wrong place. It's pathetic to be honest.
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Post by klingon on Feb 12, 2022 19:54:03 GMT
What happened? First live game in two years. I was right in line with the goal in the midst of the Forest who stood blocked my view and I didn’t see a thing. Apart from that “How was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”
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Post by everyoneneedsawhelan on Feb 12, 2022 19:55:33 GMT
That’s utter bollocks. Bursik is an England u21 international. So was Butland. In fact he was a full international And Butland was one of the best keepers in the PL at one point. What’s your point?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 19:56:33 GMT
So is that the benchmark? To comment on any “error” or passage of play you need to have first played in that position? It should have gone over the bar. That aside, great performance from the team The benchmark is simply havimg a clue what you're talking about. Much in the same way that people who moan everytime someone up front has a half chance and moaning because they don't score every single time. It's simply knowing the game and being realistic about the game we're playing, the division we're in and therefore the expectations of any player in any position. If you want or expect world class performances from keepers or forwards week in, week out, watch the top 4 in the Prem. As you say, it was a damn good performance but people are just looking for scapegoats every time we don't get 3 points, in this case they're looking in entirely the wrong place. It's pathetic to be honest. I agree folk usually blame a player they have an agenda with but don't think unfair to point out that our keepers aren't the best and that wasn't great goalkeeping
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2022 20:02:55 GMT
So is that the benchmark? To comment on any “error” or passage of play you need to have first played in that position? It should have gone over the bar. That aside, great performance from the team The benchmark is simply havimg a clue what you're talking about. Much in the same way that people who moan everytime someone up front has a half chance and moaning because they don't score every single time. It's simply knowing the game and being realistic about the game we're playing, the division we're in and therefore the expectations of any player in any position. If you want or expect world class performances from keepers or forwards week in, week out, watch the top 4 in the Prem. As you say, it was a damn good performance but people are just looking for scapegoats every time we don't get 3 points, in this case they're looking in entirely the wrong place. It's pathetic to be honest. Who decides who has a clue what they are talking about? I think you're totally missing the point of a message board
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2022 20:05:15 GMT
The benchmark is simply havimg a clue what you're talking about. Much in the same way that people who moan everytime someone up front has a half chance and moaning because they don't score every single time. It's simply knowing the game and being realistic about the game we're playing, the division we're in and therefore the expectations of any player in any position. If you want or expect world class performances from keepers or forwards week in, week out, watch the top 4 in the Prem. As you say, it was a damn good performance but people are just looking for scapegoats every time we don't get 3 points, in this case they're looking in entirely the wrong place. It's pathetic to be honest. Who decides who has a clue what they are talking about? I think you're totally missing the point of a message board Ah well in that case i blame Jagielka for not just hooking it over everyone and scoring. Piece of piss this football lark innit. It's just people wanting to blame somebody, literally absolutely bloody anybody for their own frustration for us not getting 3 points. Grow up basically, it doesn't always have to be someone's fault so you can pillory them just because you feel someone HAS to be pilloried. It's like a group of teenagers who've never even watched a game of football before throwing a tantrum amd simply HAVING to find someone to blame. You're grown fucking men/women! It really is sad tbh. "Passion" nowadays seems to somehow equate to "Blaming anyone possible". That doesn't and never has been any kind of definition of the word. People are fine to have their opinions on a messageboard, no issue with that...they however equally are fine to also be called out if people believe they're talking shit. That's a messageboard for you.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2022 20:11:14 GMT
Who decides who has a clue what they are talking about? I think you're totally missing the point of a message board Ah well in that case i blame Jagielka for not just hooking it over everyone nd scoring. Piece of piss this football lark innit If that's what you really think then fair enough, it's your opinion, but you don't believe that so it's a pointless opinion...
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2022 20:13:18 GMT
Ah well in that case i blame Jagielka for not just hooking it over everyone nd scoring. Piece of piss this football lark innit If that's what you really think then fair enough, it's your opinion, but you don't believe that so it's a pointless opinion... So now you're deciding who believes what they post on a messageboard after telling them they've missed the point of what a message board is? You're not very bright are you?
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Post by dave1 on Feb 12, 2022 20:16:19 GMT
I've just watched it (on the dodgy highlights on another thread) and have to say that I thought it was a good save.
Not much can be said about the defending though. The scorer was standing on his own in acres of space
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Post by klingon on Feb 12, 2022 20:18:51 GMT
Who decides who has a clue what they are talking about? I think you're totally missing the point of a message board Ah well in that case i blame Jagielka for not just hooking it over everyone and scoring. Piece of piss this football lark innit. It's just people wanting to blame somebody, literally absolutely bloody anybody for their own frustration for us not getting 3 points. Grow up basically, it doesn't always have to be someone's fault so you can pillory them just because you feel someone HAS to be pilloried. It's like a group of teenagers who've never even watched a game of football before throwing a tantrum amd simply HAVING to find someone to blame. You're grown fucking men/women! It really is sad tbh. "Passion" nowadays seems to somehow equate to "Blaming anyone possible". That doesn't and never has been any kind of definition of the word. People are fine to have their opinions on a messageboard, no issue with that...they however equally are fine to also be called out if people believe they're talking shit. That's a messageboard for you. Hold that appointment at the fertility clinic! I now want Mr. Lovechild to have my babies. Surely that is not an impossibility taking into account recent advances in medicine?
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Post by skiptomylou on Feb 12, 2022 21:01:55 GMT
I thought soon after the ball was put down the wall was shockingly wrong. He would of done better not having one.
Needed either 3 foot more to his left or two more players in there and forced the pass from the off.
Generally don't rate bursik, he strikes me as the kid not good enough to play outfield so he was shoved in goal and was decent enough.
Looks like we are trying to build up this "wonderkid" for lack of a better word, reputation, then cash in when we can.
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Post by klingon on Feb 12, 2022 21:06:38 GMT
I thought soon after the ball was put down the wall was shockingly wrong. He would of done better not having one. Needed either 3 foot more to his left or two more players in there and forced the pass from the off. Generally don't rate bursik, he strikes me as the kid not good enough to play outfield so he was shoved in goal and was decent enough. Looks like we are trying to build up this "wonderkid" for lack of a better word, reputation, then cash in when we can. Can I politely refer the poster to the people who select goalkeepers to play for England?
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 12, 2022 21:08:36 GMT
He could of done better and tipped it over the bar but don’t think their equaliser was down to him, poor defending when the ball come back in and as someone else said, Allen shouldn’t be giving away a free kick on the edge of the box. We were unlucky but 2-2 is a fair result, could of won it! Great day out!!!!
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 12, 2022 21:27:17 GMT
Who decides who has a clue what they are talking about? I think you're totally missing the point of a message board Ah well in that case i blame Jagielka for not just hooking it over everyone and scoring. Piece of piss this football lark innit. It's just people wanting to blame somebody, literally absolutely bloody anybody for their own frustration for us not getting 3 points. Grow up basically, it doesn't always have to be someone's fault so you can pillory them just because you feel someone HAS to be pilloried. It's like a group of teenagers who've never even watched a game of football before throwing a tantrum amd simply HAVING to find someone to blame. You're grown fucking men/women! It really is sad tbh. "Passion" nowadays seems to somehow equate to "Blaming anyone possible". That doesn't and never has been any kind of definition of the word. People are fine to have their opinions on a messageboard, no issue with that...they however equally are fine to also be called out if people believe they're talking shit. That's a messageboard for you. This. Some people really don’t know how to lose. Nobody likes losing (or in this case drawing) but it happens. It isn’t always someone’s fault. Let’s be honest, as Stoke supporters we get enough practice so we really should be able to lose with some level of maturity.
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Post by skiptomylou on Feb 12, 2022 21:43:22 GMT
FAO klingon, sorry I can't quote your reply, however the people who select for England have been known to get it wrong, how many caps did Rob Green get for example? Paul Robinson wasn't great for England either, Ben Foster? I'm sure bursik was keeping ramsdale out of the u21 team for a while too? That looks a mistake now too.
Now this isn't a dig a bursik individually but other than Davies against QPR, when was the last time we left a game indebted to our keeper for a win?
Probably Grant and pre injury butland? Bego and soro on a regular basis?
My point being is we need GKs to make saves at big times, weve not had that in at 4 years.
IMO, I don't think bursik will prove to do that.
Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2022 21:45:04 GMT
If that's what you really think then fair enough, it's your opinion, but you don't believe that so it's a pointless opinion... So now you're deciding who believes what they post on a messageboard after telling them they've missed the point of what a message board is? You're not very bright are you? So you think it's Jagielka's fault? Fair enough.
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Post by innercitysumo on Feb 12, 2022 21:47:33 GMT
So was Butland. In fact he was a full international And Butland was one of the best keepers in the PL at one point. What’s your point? But was absolutely awful for us for 18 months. I’m not sure what your Point is?
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 12, 2022 21:48:43 GMT
FAO klingon, sorry I can't quote your reply, however the people who select for England have been known to get it wrong, how many caps did Rob Green get for example? Paul Robinson wasn't great for England either, Ben Foster? I'm sure bursik was keeping ramsdale out of the u21 team for a while too? That looks a mistake now too. Now this isn't a dig a bursik individually but other than Davies against QPR, when was the last time we left a game indebted to our keeper for a win? Probably Grant and pre injury butland? Bego and soro on a regular basis? My point being is we need GKs to make saves at big times, weve not had that in at 4 years. IMO, I don't think bursik will prove to do that. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong. The irony of your post is... BURSIK DID SAVE THE FREEKICK 🤦🏻♂️ If you feel more qualified to select England teams, then why dont you put yourself forward? We have a very young keepers and he will make the odd mistake... But today he didnt make one
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Post by tinofspam on Feb 12, 2022 21:50:05 GMT
I could be wrong, but from watching the highlights I’d be more annoyed at the lack of effort put into stopping the follow up shot that was the goal All you ask of your keeper is that he deals with a shot straight down his throat, otherwise why have a goalkeeper? I guess it’s not always that simple, you’ve got to deal with it coming at you at speed and possibly swerving a lot plus also trying to see it through a sea of people. I do get what you mean, but I think the main problem was the reaction after when the unmarked player scored so easy
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Post by skiptomylou on Feb 12, 2022 22:02:56 GMT
FAO screwbyscfc.
Good save! (Ish, straight at him?)
Wrong wall set up!
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 12, 2022 22:58:14 GMT
Straight at him and he's somehow shovelled onto the bar. He could have stood big and caught it. Poor keeping for me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by innercitysumo on Feb 12, 2022 23:04:15 GMT
Straight at him and he's somehow shovelled onto the bar. He could have stood big and caught it. Poor keeping for me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He shouldn’t have caught it. He should have pushed it over the bar mind
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 12, 2022 23:07:04 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He shouldn’t have caught it. He should have pushed it over the bar mind The only people who think that are those who have never played in goal before
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 12, 2022 23:10:57 GMT
He shouldn’t have caught it. He should have pushed it over the bar mind The only people who think that are those who have never played in goal before I played in goal. He should have done better. The ball should have been diverted over the bar or away from danger.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 12, 2022 23:11:46 GMT
The only people who think that are those who have never played in goal before I played in goal. He should have done better. The ball should have been diverted over the bar or away from danger. The Dog and Duck doesn't count
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 12, 2022 23:14:50 GMT
I played in goal. He should have done better. The ball should have been diverted over the bar or away from danger. The Dog and Duck doesn't count I never played for them but you didn't specify a level required. What are your qualifications to say he couldn't have done better than he did? Presumably you played in goal professionally?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 12, 2022 23:47:31 GMT
I thought it was a good save initially, poor wall positioning but well hit shot.
Hasten to add - I’ve played keeper 5 aside league, I said 5 aside league level so I know what it takes, and kept clean sheets so coming form a position that demands absolute respect.
Will also add, I blame every goal on the keeper in 5 aside even when it’s clearly my fault for being a fat arsed defender.
That Brennan Johnson (David’s son) is a really good player.
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Post by newyorkpotter2 on Feb 13, 2022 0:33:10 GMT
Yes. It was our goalkeeper's fault. You never put only one hand up in that sort of situation. That screams nonchalance. I love our Bursik and think he's going to be a GREAT goalkeeper but he needs an arse-kicking for that one on Monday ...
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 13, 2022 5:18:55 GMT
I was watching his reaction and at least that was quick enough. Wasn't a fan of the one-handed miracle either. Safest thing to do with that one was to help it pass over the bar. And don't forget to stand big!
Catching is great, but if it fails and you just bat it down? Better hope your NBA crossover dribble & around the back passes are up to snuff or the opposition is headed down Broadway on y'arse.
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