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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2022 11:02:28 GMT
Plunged into crisis after signing ex-Blackburn striker David Goodwillie:
I'm a big believer in rehabilitation and second chances and technically he wasn't found guilty of rape in a court of law but a civil court where the burden of proof required is far less, however he doesn't seemed to have shown any remorse for his action whatsoever and I fully understand why people involved in the club, sponsors etc. are jumping ship. It looks like this community club is about to have it's community turn their back on them. I'm not sure their statement was particularly well worded either.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 2, 2022 11:11:01 GMT
And we think we have made some ill judged signings!
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 2, 2022 11:13:06 GMT
If there was even a smidgeon of a thought that there could be a backlash, you’d just stay away from this deal, wouldn’t you?
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 2, 2022 12:33:47 GMT
Plunged into crisis after signing ex-Blackburn striker David Goodwillie: I'm a big believer in rehabilitation and second chances and technically he wasn't found guilty of rape in a court of law but a civil court where the burden of proof required is far less, however he doesn't seemed to have shown any remorse for his action whatsoever and I fully understand why people involved in the club, sponsors etc. are jumping ship. It looks like this community club is about to have it's community turn their back on them. I'm not sure their statement was particularly well worded either. I believe in second chances for most crimes, but rape, paedophilia and murder are not amongst them. I’m completely shocked that clubs think a few extra goals is worth bringing their reputation in the game into disrepute. Can we bring Varion home?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 2, 2022 12:44:54 GMT
There isn't a football club in the country I suspect who would turn down the chance of signing a player who is better than their level on the cheap. Ched Evans didn't have a problem (I know his conviction was quashed but on evidence which was a bit dodgy). Lee Hughes made a good career for himself after being released from prison for killing someone through dangerous driving. I can see the argument that they served their punishment but I object to them being given the opportunity to make good money in a high profile job. Start again in a job where you won't be on public view. Good on Val Mcdermid and Raith Rovers supporters. If you commit a crime which effects someone's life you should suffer the consequences for the rest of your life just as the victims and their families do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 12:50:08 GMT
Goodwillie....I don't think so
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Post by noustie on Feb 2, 2022 13:07:20 GMT
There isn't a football club in the country I suspect who would turn down the chance of signing a player who is better than their level on the cheap. Ched Evans didn't have a problem (I know his conviction was quashed but on evidence which was a bit dodgy). Lee Hughes made a good career for himself after being released from prison for killing someone through dangerous driving. I can see the argument that they served their punishment but I object to them being given the opportunity to make good money in a high profile job. Start again in a job where you won't be on public view. Good on Val Mcdermid and Raith Rovers supporters. If you commit a crime which effects someone's life you should suffer the consequences for the rest of your life just as the victims and their families do. Think we had a chance to sign Danny Cadamarteri after Everton were trying get shot of him for punching a woman. Think from memory we backed away pretty sharpish though as didn't go down very well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 13:13:44 GMT
There isn't a football club in the country I suspect who would turn down the chance of signing a player who is better than their level on the cheap. Ched Evans didn't have a problem (I know his conviction was quashed but on evidence which was a bit dodgy). Lee Hughes made a good career for himself after being released from prison for killing someone through dangerous driving. I can see the argument that they served their punishment but I object to them being given the opportunity to make good money in a high profile job. Start again in a job where you won't be on public view. Good on Val Mcdermid and Raith Rovers supporters. If you commit a crime which effects someone's life you should suffer the consequences for the rest of your life just as the victims and their families do. Think we had a chance to sign Danny Cadamarteri after Everton were trying get shot of him for punching a woman. Think from memory we backed away pretty sharpish though as didn't go down very well. Wasa little bit more to it than that 😃 Involved a substance or 2...allegedly
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 2, 2022 13:42:32 GMT
As a Raith fan, it's an appalling signing. There's no other way of wrapping this up in bland statements the board have come out with. We wait to see what happens.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2022 14:02:57 GMT
As a Raith fan, it's an appalling signing. There's no other way of wrapping this up in bland statements the board have come out with. We wait to see what happens. Did they announce their crowd last night and was it noticeably down? Seen loads of fans on Twitter just saying they're done with it........
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 2, 2022 17:55:22 GMT
As a Raith fan, it's an appalling signing. There's no other way of wrapping this up in bland statements the board have come out with. We wait to see what happens. Did they announce their crowd last night and was it noticeably down? Seen loads of fans on Twitter just saying they're done with it........ I can't find the crowd either. It's normally around 2K in this league, as the big two don't feature. It will be probably be posted in the next couple days. A few of the fellow supporters I know either aren't that bothered whose on the pitch or like you've seen have called it a day. It's a very bad decision for sure.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 2, 2022 18:34:23 GMT
Makes you wonder who sanctioned the signing and what on earth they were thinking, cos they have clearly damaged the club financially and in the eyes of the fans and public.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 2, 2022 19:09:00 GMT
Badwillie
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Post by andystokey on Feb 2, 2022 19:12:25 GMT
What planet were they on? And the timing FFS.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 2, 2022 19:26:00 GMT
What in the total fukc were they ....??
And I'm the idiot who proposed that SCFC needs a psycho or 2 in midfield. I look a hell of a lot more balanced now.
Spider, I do feel for you man. That...wow! Nothing funny in that, nothing at all.
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Post by gawa on Feb 2, 2022 19:50:33 GMT
Wonder what Clyde fans think of him. Seems to have played there the last few years and has a good record.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 3, 2022 11:28:08 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 3, 2022 11:37:13 GMT
The right decision, but will take more than that to get people back onside.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2022 11:39:06 GMT
Why the f*** football clubs bother with signings like this is beyond me. The uproar it causes for generally bang average players with a history like this just seems ridiculous. Assaults and things like that are bad enough but you can maybe see why clubs go for it, but when you cross into sexual offences and offences against women, it beggars belief they'd even consider it. It opens them up to so much deserved scrutiny.
I wonder if he'll get his contract paid? As far as he believed, he had his career sorted for however long.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 3, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
This guy was convicted in a civil court and not a criminal one - so you’ve got to consider that when he’s labeled as a ‘convicted rapist’ and this should be part of how the public perceive this. Often a conviction in a civil case will be followed by criminal proceedings, the fact that it didn’t happen this way indicates there was either a lack of evidence or the evidence was not overly robust. But aside from that, we’ve had footballers like Luke McCormick and Lee Hughes who’ve been responsible for the deaths of people but have allowed to rehabilitate themselves - and part of doing that is resuming their careers. I think as a general comment we’ve become far too judgemental in these situations - the justice system is there for a reason and once justice has been served it is the sign of a cultured society that we would forgive and try to help the perpetrator rebuild their life. Even more poignant in this case where there was no criminal act committed in the eyes of the law. I imagine he will have his contract paid up (and he should if he disclosed the information prior to signing), and all the moral crusaders will feel vindicated. All in all a sad episode.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 3, 2022 15:16:28 GMT
This guy was convicted in a civil court and not a criminal one - so you’ve got to consider that when he’s labeled as a ‘convicted rapist’ and this should be part of how the public perceive this. Often a conviction in a civil case will be followed by criminal proceedings, the fact that it didn’t happen this way indicates there was either a lack of evidence or the evidence was not overly robust. But aside from that, we’ve had footballers like Luke McCormick and Lee Hughes who’ve been responsible for the deaths of people but have allowed to rehabilitate themselves - and part of doing that is resuming their careers. I think as a general comment we’ve become far too judgemental in these situations - the justice system is there for a reason and once justice has been served it is the sign of a cultured society that we would forgive and try to help the perpetrator rebuild their life. Even more poignant in this case where there was no criminal act committed in the eyes of the law. I imagine he will have his contract paid up (and he should if he disclosed the information prior to signing), and all the moral crusaders will feel vindicated. All in all a sad episode. The rape conviction rate is disgracefully, disgustingly and shockingly low. I would never forgive a murderer, paedophile or rapist. I hate trail by social media/media, but I hope this episode is a lesson to people who think it's okay to sexually assault someone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 15:37:47 GMT
This guy was convicted in a civil court and not a criminal one - so you’ve got to consider that when he’s labeled as a ‘convicted rapist’ and this should be part of how the public perceive this. Often a conviction in a civil case will be followed by criminal proceedings, the fact that it didn’t happen this way indicates there was either a lack of evidence or the evidence was not overly robust. But aside from that, we’ve had footballers like Luke McCormick and Lee Hughes who’ve been responsible for the deaths of people but have allowed to rehabilitate themselves - and part of doing that is resuming their careers. I think as a general comment we’ve become far too judgemental in these situations - the justice system is there for a reason and once justice has been served it is the sign of a cultured society that we would forgive and try to help the perpetrator rebuild their life. Even more poignant in this case where there was no criminal act committed in the eyes of the law. I imagine he will have his contract paid up (and he should if he disclosed the information prior to signing), and all the moral crusaders will feel vindicated. All in all a sad episode. The rape conviction rate is disgracefully, disgustingly and shockingly low. I would never forgive a murderer, paedophile or rapist. I hate trail by social media/media, but I hope this episode is a lesson to people who think it's okay to sexually assault someone. To be fair perhaps they were innocent. What I find shocking is that those who accuse individuals of such crimes and are found to be lying are not prosecuted. Is way too easy to accuse someone knowing that the no smoke without fire stigma will never leave them. Just saw a case of a gal of 18 accusing her step father of similar just to get rid of him. Imagine what he went through. She walks away from it despite later admitting she made the whole story up.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 3, 2022 15:47:55 GMT
If he isn't going to be playing for Raith - will the football authorities allow him to move to another club now the transfer window has officially closed? What other club will employ him even if he was allowed to move outside the window? Having seen the flack he has received by signing for Raith it would be a brave Scottish or UK club who would sign him I would have thought.
I suspect he may end up being paid a salary by Raith until he finds a club abroad who will sign him - possibly MLS as their window is about to open? There may be a few European countries where the window is still open - don't Turkey have a window which stays open longer than ours.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 3, 2022 15:55:38 GMT
The rape conviction rate is disgracefully, disgustingly and shockingly low. I would never forgive a murderer, paedophile or rapist. I hate trail by social media/media, but I hope this episode is a lesson to people who think it's okay to sexually assault someone. To be fair perhaps they were innocent. What I find shocking is that those who accuse individuals of such crimes and are found to be lying are not prosecuted. Is way too easy to accuse someone knowing that the no smoke without fire stigma will never leave them. Just saw a case of a gal of 18 accusing her step father of similar just to get rid of him. Imagine what he went through. She walks away from it despite later admitting she made the whole story up. Not sure how your courts deal with it, but in American courts - that's perjury, which can represent jail-time. Problem is, the penalties for perjury have mainly gone unenforced and by precedent, watered-down so much over the years that the consequences of being found guilty of it really carry no serious/sustained consequences. Then there's more minor charges like "Filing a false police-report" and sometimes they are held accountable for the expense of a "false investigation" via fines. But afterwards, there's really no legislation that forces them to actually pay it. It's a serious "legal-gap" that perpetuates this kind of thing.
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 3, 2022 15:58:02 GMT
If he isn't going to be playing for Raith - will the football authorities allow him to move to another club now the transfer window has officially closed? What other club will employ him even if he was allowed to move outside the window? Having seen the flack he has received by signing for Raith it would be a brave Scottish or UK club who would sign him I would have thought. I suspect he may end up being paid a salary by Raith until he finds a club abroad who will sign him - possibly MLS as their window is about to open? There may be a few European countries where the window is still open - don't Turkey have a window which stays open longer than ours. Probably and it will be somewhere that doesnt know/care about a dark background. His career in the UK is finished.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 3, 2022 16:00:57 GMT
The rape conviction rate is disgracefully, disgustingly and shockingly low. I would never forgive a murderer, paedophile or rapist. I hate trail by social media/media, but I hope this episode is a lesson to people who think it's okay to sexually assault someone. To be fair perhaps they were innocent. What I find shocking is that those who accuse individuals of such crimes and are found to be lying are not prosecuted. Is way too easy to accuse someone knowing that the no smoke without fire stigma will never leave them. Just saw a case of a gal of 18 accusing her step father of similar just to get rid of him. Imagine what he went through. She walks away from it despite later admitting she made the whole story up. You haven't looked up the figures then. I agree those who falsely accuse should be punished. On a related note, The Hunt starring Mads Mikkelsen is a brilliant film: www.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 17:29:34 GMT
To be fair perhaps they were innocent. What I find shocking is that those who accuse individuals of such crimes and are found to be lying are not prosecuted. Is way too easy to accuse someone knowing that the no smoke without fire stigma will never leave them. Just saw a case of a gal of 18 accusing her step father of similar just to get rid of him. Imagine what he went through. She walks away from it despite later admitting she made the whole story up. You haven't looked up the figures then. I agree those who falsely accuse should be punished. On a related note, The Hunt starring Mads Mikkelsen is a brilliant film: www.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/Sorry but what figures?
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Post by Widget123 on Feb 3, 2022 18:06:59 GMT
Madness signing him, especially given that they had a board meeting about it and three board members said they'd resign if the transfer went ahead so they can't exactly claim ignorance on this one. One of the board members is also the clubs main sponsor and a high profile female author! The idea that any of the board thought this was a good idea is even more crazy. I personally found our signing of McClean with the obvious annual fallouts of his self inflicted issues pretty silly and exhausting, he wasn't the worst player we've ever signed but he was easily the most polarising. That said I'd credit our board with at least having the sense to avoid something like Raith have got themselves into.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 3, 2022 23:58:45 GMT
The rape conviction rate is disgracefully, disgustingly and shockingly low. I would never forgive a murderer, paedophile or rapist. I hate trail by social media/media, but I hope this episode is a lesson to people who think it's okay to sexually assault someone. To be fair perhaps they were innocent. What I find shocking is that those who accuse individuals of such crimes and are found to be lying are not prosecuted. Is way too easy to accuse someone knowing that the no smoke without fire stigma will never leave them. Just saw a case of a gal of 18 accusing her step father of similar just to get rid of him. Imagine what he went through. She walks away from it despite later admitting she made the whole story up. I can understand that point of view and you’re not alone by any means in feeling that way. For me personally, I think it’s best to try and make a distinction between the act and the person, so in that sense it can be easier to forgive the person but of course, not what they have done. From what I’ve seen and heard, there are very few details out there on the specifics of the civil case - but what we do know is that the burden of proof for a criminal conviction could not be met……so perhaps some caution in how the public in general view this situation is warranted. British society is becoming increasingly litigious and while that is in general a good thing, with the good will come people who are in it only for money. I’m not sure if you have been following the Tim Paine case at all but the ‘victim’ is attempting to settle on that case which the mind boggles at - there are many examples where high profile people are targeted in this way.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2022 0:08:35 GMT
There isn't a football club in the country I suspect who would turn down the chance of signing a player who is better than their level on the cheap. Ched Evans didn't have a problem (I know his conviction was quashed but on evidence which was a bit dodgy). Lee Hughes made a good career for himself after being released from prison for killing someone through dangerous driving. I can see the argument that they served their punishment but I object to them being given the opportunity to make good money in a high profile job. Start again in a job where you won't be on public view. Good on Val Mcdermid and Raith Rovers supporters. If you commit a crime which effects someone's life you should suffer the consequences for the rest of your life just as the victims and their families do. Sorry but that makes no sense. Let's say a talented artist is locked up for x years for a heinous act. Are you saying when he comes out he should be allowed to paint houses but not lucrative artwork? A player who has served their punishment and is free to ply their trade (not banned/suspended, etc) should be allowed to ply their trade, not be forced to be a janitor. The big question for me is if the guilty verdict is in a civil court, why on earth would he not be prosecuted in a criminal court? Perhaps there is more to the story than would stand intense scrutiny?
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