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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2022 0:58:06 GMT
The youth set up has been the best part of this club for the last 5 years. Indeed it’s the only part of the club that has been ran well in that time and we are seeing the rewards now. And if that’s the way it reads re Bursik then I suggest you need to read properly. You are pretty much now an ostrich. Carry on burying your head but you just give more reason to those who you claim unfairly criticise you. But as I say, you carry on… Burying my head? What are you on about. You’ve made shit up and can’t come up with anything bar the usual. On a day where a player signed by our youth set up was MOM again too 😂he’s not one of our own or any of that crap but he was found for our u23s and in a year has made the step up. Trying to make a slight of it atm seems very daft. Bar Powell, the only players that will get us decent money come from u18s or u23s originally. Baker has the potential to be another one depending how he does.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 23, 2022 8:33:47 GMT
I get that people think one keeper is better than another i know it’s all opinions but to say Davies is shit is just wrong n it pisses me off. He maybe average or below average but he’s not shit and another championship club are in for him and 5 clean sheets in 11 sort of goes against your “shit” label He’s completely garbage. Among the worst I’ve seen at Stoke, certainly at this level. Sorry if this opinion upsets you. No not upset me Have you ever heard the saying if you walk past 100 people in the street at least one of them will be a knobhead
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 23, 2022 8:39:09 GMT
Very long medical.
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Post by ceejays on Jan 23, 2022 9:48:17 GMT
Davies is the best keeper on the books at the present time. For those who decry him then they forget Neville Southall Barry Siddall Marshall Harry Gregg (past it when he came to us ) Hoult Harrison etc etc . The problem with Davies is he’s very vocal and that doesn’t go down well wherever you work
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Post by lancashirelad on Jan 23, 2022 12:20:51 GMT
Davies is the best keeper on the books at the present time. For those who decry him then they forget Neville Southall Barry Siddall Marshall Harry Gregg (past it when he came to us ) Hoult Harrison etc etc . The problem with Davies is he’s very vocal and that doesn’t go down well wherever you work On the pitch though he is not vocal in respect of shouting orders or commands at the defensive. I have heard Bursik at times and other keepers but Davies only after an incident which does not put him in a good light. A very average keeper.
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2022 12:40:51 GMT
He's enjoying the probing
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Post by kustokie on Jan 23, 2022 13:05:10 GMT
We need to keep this perspective. I wager every premier league each have two goalkeepers that are better than the best keepers in the championship and some of the championship teams have at least one. So that about 50 goalkeepers that are better than ours. Add to that the goalkeepers playing in Europe and South America and we may one that in the top 100. That’s the pool we’re fishing in. They are good but not great, which means they’ll make mistakes, kick less well, show errors of judgement and let in shots world class goalkeepers would save. We’ve been spoilt with two premier league standard goalkeepers in Begovic and Butland and, let’s face it neither of those were perfect.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2022 15:05:08 GMT
We need to keep this perspective. I wager every premier league each have two goalkeepers that are better than the best keepers in the championship and some of the championship teams have at least one. So that about 50 goalkeepers that are better than ours. Add to that the goalkeepers playing in Europe and South America and we may one that in the top 100. That’s the pool we’re fishing in. They are good but not great, which means they’ll make mistakes, kick less well, show errors of judgement and let in shots world class goalkeepers would save. We’ve been spoilt with two premier league standard goalkeepers in Begovic and Butland and, let’s face it neither of those were perfect. Bego wasn’t far off perfect.. only real weakness was his ability with his feet, which wasn’t a huge deal for us at the time. Definitely the best I’ve seen and almost certainly the best since Banks. If Chelsea had bought him at his peak rather than when his form was already dipping he’d have challenged Courtois for #1.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 23, 2022 15:21:34 GMT
Peak Bego was superb - in a one on one you could normally back him to save it, good reflexes, goalscorer...
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Post by liathroid on Jan 24, 2022 6:50:40 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 24, 2022 10:11:22 GMT
Wages off the books and a couple of Bob into the transfer kitty what’s not to like
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Post by pez75 on Jan 24, 2022 10:25:53 GMT
Perfectly good keeper at this level. I wish him all the best unless he is playing the Potters!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 24, 2022 10:49:30 GMT
Perfectly good keeper at this level. I wish him all the best unless he is playing the Potters! Same from me. I'm surprised by the volume of frustrations with him. I also think he's got some potential in there too which means he could improve. I do think the club would be best off sticking with Bursic who has more potential in my opinion but this doesn't mean Adam is a bad keeper. I hope he gets his move and I hope it works out for him.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 24, 2022 11:02:02 GMT
I'm pleased that Davies has gone. Not because I think he's really bad but because it indicates the management are looking for better options which is a good sign for me. Bonham is obviously there to fill the gap until either Bursik steps up and proves his worth or we find better.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 24, 2022 12:34:57 GMT
We need to keep this perspective. I wager every premier league each have two goalkeepers that are better than the best keepers in the championship and some of the championship teams have at least one. So that about 50 goalkeepers that are better than ours. Add to that the goalkeepers playing in Europe and South America and we may one that in the top 100. That’s the pool we’re fishing in. They are good but not great, which means they’ll make mistakes, kick less well, show errors of judgement and let in shots world class goalkeepers would save. We’ve been spoilt with two premier league standard goalkeepers in Begovic and Butland and, let’s face it neither of those were perfect. Bego wasn’t far off perfect.. only real weakness was his ability with his feet, which wasn’t a huge deal for us at the time. Definitely the best I’ve seen and almost certainly the best since Banks. If Chelsea had bought him at his peak rather than when his form was already dipping he’d have challenged Courtois for #1. Begovic will likely place in the top 5 goalkeepers Stoke have ever had. You’re right, he was pretty darn close to perfect for me also.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2022 12:57:36 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 24, 2022 13:03:52 GMT
For around 6 months money that equates to around 10k a week if thats what the fee is for? Sound about right for Davies?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 24, 2022 13:04:56 GMT
Do you think we’ll try and use it on anyone? I’d be surprised if it was used for anything other than a loan (hopefully for a goalie) or just to go towards FFP. Not counting wages, we actually made money on Davies then.
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Post by werrington on Jan 24, 2022 13:07:19 GMT
Interesting that he asked for the transfer
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2022 13:10:34 GMT
Interesting that he asked for the transfer Think it makes sense from his pov though. They're more likely to go up. He will maintain or improve his wage for longer (we would have released him). If they go up they season and hadn't signed him now then I don't think they ever would have done. It's old manager who he has played best under. I can't imagine he feels like he's been given a fair chance here by Jones or MON either.
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Post by werrington on Jan 24, 2022 13:18:50 GMT
Interesting that he asked for the transfer Think it makes sense from his pov though. They're more likely to go up. He will maintain or improve his wage for longer (we would have released him). If they go up they season and hadn't signed him now then I don't think they ever would have done. It's old manager who he has played best under. I can't imagine he feels like he's been given a fair chance here by Jones or MON either. Yeah I don’t doubt all that tbf and O’Neill probably told him he’d be No2 Best not keep players who are not fully committed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2022 13:20:02 GMT
Think it makes sense from his pov though. They're more likely to go up. He will maintain or improve his wage for longer (we would have released him). If they go up they season and hadn't signed him now then I don't think they ever would have done. It's old manager who he has played best under. I can't imagine he feels like he's been given a fair chance here by Jones or MON either. Yeah I don’t doubt all that tbf and O’Neill probably told him he’d be No2 Best not keep players who are not fully committed It'll be interesting to see if anyone takes it the wrong way though It's a very good move for him at the end of the day.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2022 13:46:27 GMT
Bego wasn’t far off perfect.. only real weakness was his ability with his feet, which wasn’t a huge deal for us at the time. Definitely the best I’ve seen and almost certainly the best since Banks. If Chelsea had bought him at his peak rather than when his form was already dipping he’d have challenged Courtois for #1. Begovic will likely place in the top 5 goalkeepers Stoke have ever had. You’re right, he was pretty darn close to perfect for me also. Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 24, 2022 14:21:06 GMT
Begovic will likely place in the top 5 goalkeepers Stoke have ever had. You’re right, he was pretty darn close to perfect for me also. Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s Banks, Shilton, Fox could all possibly be considered contenders. Sorenson was about as important to our recent history as any other player, even if Begovic may be considered better overall.
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2022 14:32:40 GMT
Begovic will likely place in the top 5 goalkeepers Stoke have ever had. You’re right, he was pretty darn close to perfect for me also. Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s Neville Southall but it was the 1990's? Thomas Sorensen wasn't too shabby.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2022 14:36:45 GMT
Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s Banks, Shilton, Fox could all possibly be considered contenders. Sorenson was about as important to our recent history as any other player, even if Begovic may be considered better overall. Foxy is a cast iron legend but I’m not sure we can objectively say he was at the same level as a goalie. Wasn’t Shilton a bit crap for us? Sorro’s right up there for sure
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2022 14:39:14 GMT
Banks, Shilton, Fox could all possibly be considered contenders. Sorenson was about as important to our recent history as any other player, even if Begovic may be considered better overall. Foxy is a cast iron legend but I’m not sure we can objectively say he was at the same level as a goalie. Wasn’t Shilton a bit crap for us? Sorro’s right up there for sure Shilton was a bit crap for us in everyone's opinion except mine! It didn't stop Brian Clough signing him and he had 2 European Cup winners medals round his neck 18 months after leaving us.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 24, 2022 14:40:36 GMT
Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s Neville Southall but it was the 1990's? Thomas Sorensen wasn't too shabby. Recently watched the review dvd for 1st PL season and Tommy probably saved us from relegation. He was awesome.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 24, 2022 14:44:37 GMT
Banks, Shilton, Fox could all possibly be considered contenders. Sorenson was about as important to our recent history as any other player, even if Begovic may be considered better overall. Foxy is a cast iron legend but I’m not sure we can objectively say he was at the same level as a goalie. Wasn’t Shilton a bit crap for us? Sorro’s right up there for sure He played the majority of games in one of our best ever finishes didn’t he? I’m too young for it, but I do wonder how “crap” he was versus how less good he was versus that expected of a world record fee in a time where we soon had to complete an exodus of talent to pay for the ground.
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Post by march4 on Jan 24, 2022 14:47:45 GMT
Can’t think of anyone else obvious who’d be in the top two tbh, unless we go back to that bloke who weighed about 25 stone and smoked a pipe on the pitch in the 1890s Banks, Shilton, Fox could all possibly be considered contenders. Sorenson was about as important to our recent history as any other player, even if Begovic may be considered better overall. Crossley was an important signing.
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