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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2022 8:18:49 GMT
5 players a couple weeks ago - Chester, Batth, Osti, Fox, Wilmot 5 players now - New bloke from Citeh, Jags, Fox, Wilmot, Chester Batth is a nice guy and I won't slate him, but we ought not to miss him. If we are looking light then back 4 is possible. We had Souttar as well
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 17, 2022 8:19:37 GMT
He is what they used to call a stopper. A defender that is also a threat in the opposition box. He’s not that good on the ball and we’ve seen teams exploit that when we play out from the back. Good luck to him I’m very surprised he’s contemplating a move to league 1 It’s not that long ago that he was a vital member of the promotion winning Wolves team I wouldn’t say vital, he only made 15 appearances - and it was 4 years ago.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 17, 2022 8:26:59 GMT
Surprised if he drops down a level tbh, seems easily good enough to stay in the Champ. I think you can see with Jags if you are playing every week you look a different player, sharper, fitter. The likes of Chester, Baath, Fox and Huth and Shawcross before them cannot keep a level unless they are playing every week. He won't play every week, if at all from now on. I think going on loan for the last 6 months with guaranteed playing time makes sense for Danny. He will probably get another 12 months there which he won't with us. At the time of the signing our captain was suspect, he had a couple of great games, notably away at WBA and a few goals that probably kept us up in MONs first 6 months. I wish him well but we've moved on I think this is best for all involved.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 17, 2022 9:04:41 GMT
He is what they used to call a stopper. A defender that is also a threat in the opposition box. He’s not that good on the ball and we’ve seen teams exploit that when we play out from the back. Good luck to him I’m very surprised he’s contemplating a move to league 1 It’s not that long ago that he was a vital member of the promotion winning Wolves team I think the game has moved on. Possession football is now the order of the day. Danny always gives his all but his lack of technical ability is being exploited by teams that force the ball to him which ultimately means we end up conceding possession
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Jan 17, 2022 9:09:32 GMT
He should grab that chance, I think he'd be outstanding in League 1. V average at Champ level.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 17, 2022 9:14:34 GMT
I think he’s banking on Edwards and Fox being enough to cover. Fullbacks as CB cover? Makes no sense. Play CBs at CB surely? We are a Championship club severely restricted by FFP. Even yesterday they were banging the drum of our large squad, should be playoffs at least. If yesterday was the preferred 3 then we have Wilmot as cover and I believe Forrester is still with us? Fox might not be everyone's cup of tea but is better cover than most teams have. You would be very unlucky to have more than two central defenders injured/suspended together. If that happened I'm sure that for one or two matches then Tom Edwards once fit will be desperate to show his versatility and as one of three could work despite his height. He would be OK if drawn out wide because the wing back is caught upfield, something which Chester as a centre half struggles with. We can't have top quality or even Championship quality 1 for 1 cover. Our squad now is plenty strong enough with plenty of options. I don't want to see anymore incomings unless an important player gets sold for a lot which I don't want either. We've got to leave room for the progression of players in the u21s like Tezgel.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 17, 2022 9:17:57 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 17, 2022 9:27:20 GMT
Batth is a solid defender and gives his all but for the way MON wants to play we need someone who is a lot more comfortable on the ball.
It seems pretty clear this is why Jagielka was brought in and that he’s going to be the central defender of the 3 and as such Danny is now surplus to requirements.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 17, 2022 9:35:57 GMT
Fullbacks as CB cover? Makes no sense. Play CBs at CB surely? He’s used Fox there quite a bit and a better manager than MON was using Edwards as RCB regularly in New York. What you mean like the Spanish lad who was at Chelsea aspisuletta or whatever his bloody name was. That’s how you play the system properly. Never play anyone at wingback that you wouldn’t consider for a purely attacking role either. Anything else is safe negative crap.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 17, 2022 10:32:12 GMT
That would be such a fucking huge relief and best for all concerned. Right up there as one of the worst defenders I've ever seen, alongside Nicky Mohan and Steven tweed Paul Williams? To be fair Paul did have a good game once and went up in TP's estimation.
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Post by a on Jan 17, 2022 11:35:30 GMT
Fullbacks as CB cover? Makes no sense. Play CBs at CB surely? We are a Championship club severely restricted by FFP. Even yesterday they were banging the drum of our large squad, should be playoffs at least. If yesterday was the preferred 3 then we have Wilmot as cover and I believe Forrester is still with us? Fox might not be everyone's cup of tea but is better cover than most teams have. You would be very unlucky to have more than two central defenders injured/suspended together. If that happened I'm sure that for one or two matches then Tom Edwards once fit will be desperate to show his versatility and as one of three could work despite his height. He would be OK if drawn out wide because the wing back is caught upfield, something which Chester as a centre half struggles with. We can't have top quality or even Championship quality 1 for 1 cover. Our squad now is plenty strong enough with plenty of options. I don't want to see anymore incomings unless an important player gets sold for a lot which I don't want either. We've got to leave room for the progression of players in the u21s like Tezgel. If we are going to play a flat back four then I can see Fox featuring but I’m not overly confident in him in a back three, but I’m happy to be proved wrong. I actually chatted to Tom Edwards the other week while out shopping and we joked about the CB role but he sounded confident that it suits him playing in a back three and if so, that could be very useful, time will tell though. It would be nice if Tom could fit into the side and I hope he comes good.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 17, 2022 12:28:09 GMT
Any of Batth, Chester, Fox or Smith can go for me as long as we have cover / replacements. None of them are good enough for the top half of the Champ.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 17, 2022 12:37:44 GMT
He should grab that chance, I think he'd be outstanding in League 1. V average at Champ level. He’d have been immense in a TP team.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 17, 2022 12:43:19 GMT
Limited but he’s done more than enough here, this bollocks that he’s one of the worst signings ever is utter bilge, wish him well.
If Batth is one of the worst players ever then what does that make Chester?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2022 12:56:06 GMT
Limited but he’s done more than enough here, this bollocks that he’s one of the worst signings ever is utter bilge, wish him well. If Batth is one of the worst players ever then what does that make Chester?Someone that's more suited to 3 at the back when we're trying to play through the opposition press quite simply.......
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Post by luke2u on Jan 17, 2022 13:05:24 GMT
Played 13 games this season, 8 clean sheets, can't be that bad.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2022 13:53:56 GMT
He should grab that chance, I think he'd be outstanding in League 1. V average at Champ level. He’d have been immense in a TP team. I do believe TP let him return to Wolves during a loan spell to Middlesboro
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2022 14:09:22 GMT
He should grab that chance, I think he'd be outstanding in League 1. V average at Champ level. He’d have been immense in a TP team. played under him at Middelesborough
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 17, 2022 14:11:38 GMT
Put in some sterling performances in our survival season and scored some important goals towards the run in. People have such short memories. It wasn't as though Shawcross was all that comfortable on the ball either. He used to lump it all the time but he's a so called legend!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2022 14:47:08 GMT
Put in some sterling performances in our survival season and scored some important goals towards the run in. People have such short memories. It wasn't as though Shawcross was all that comfortable on the ball either. He used to lump it all the time but he's a so called legend!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 15:46:04 GMT
He was ok in the MLS at best. Didn't stand out in any sense.My fave league to watch outside of the UK. He was just another player there
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Post by Ron on Jan 17, 2022 18:20:13 GMT
Has done a steady job this season when called up on. I’d imagine he’s on good money too. He is what he is - head it kick it block it immobile centre half. Between two who can move he’s fine- his clean sheet record even this season is not to be sniffed at. He’ll be needed again this season I’m sure.
But, if out of contract, I’d let him go and wish him well. Always given his all for us and seems a decent bloke.
Would hope if he does go we could bring in some more pace at the front end of the pitch with the wages- doubt that’ll happen mind.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 17, 2022 18:44:43 GMT
Fucking hell he’s no beckenbauer or Bobby Moore but he’s a blood and guts defender like they used to be. Very solid some on here need to give there heads a wobble At the end of the day it looks like he may end up in League One. No heads need to wobble do they really? He can clear it but that’s it. He can tackle, block, head. Like I say very solid unlike some defenders we have. I can think of 2 he’s better than. If heads don’t need to wobble maybe stay off monkey dust then? You talk about cover for centre halves to use full backs why use full backs? Square pegs in round holes etc. what happens if jags gets injured?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2022 19:54:02 GMT
At the end of the day it looks like he may end up in League One. No heads need to wobble do they really? He can clear it but that’s it. He can tackle, block, head. Like I say very solid unlike some defenders we have. I can think of 2 he’s better than. If heads don’t need to wobble maybe stay off monkey dust then? You talk about cover for centre halves to use full backs why use full backs? Square pegs in round holes etc. what happens if jags gets injured? Play Wilmot centrally. It’ll be fine. Loads of full backs play as the wider CB. It’s how football has involved.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 18, 2022 12:56:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2022 13:05:32 GMT
He can tackle, block, head. Like I say very solid unlike some defenders we have. I can think of 2 he’s better than. If heads don’t need to wobble maybe stay off monkey dust then? You talk about cover for centre halves to use full backs why use full backs? Square pegs in round holes etc. what happens if jags gets injured? Play Wilmot centrally. It’ll be fine. Loads of full backs play as the wider CB. It’s how football has involved. nothing new, Venables played Gary Neville there in Euro 96
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2022 13:05:49 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 18, 2022 13:06:30 GMT
Good move for all parties that. Hope he does well if it's true........
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 18, 2022 13:07:38 GMT
Permanent? Result. All the best Danny.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 18, 2022 13:09:57 GMT
Clearly not how MoN sees a CB but an honest and committed pro. Great signing for either imo.
Good luck to you fella.
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