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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 30, 2021 21:57:27 GMT
Can't quite believe how shit that was. How many times did we give it away? Atrocity of a performance. What really riles me is that ok, sometimes you get a bad call, a soft foul against you, a deflected goal against you and you think “ fuck it” ……. But tonight I honestly don’t think any of them were interested. If I showed that much lack of professionalism and more importantly effort, I’d be looking for a new job come Monday.
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Post by mcw on Dec 30, 2021 21:57:29 GMT
Unfortunately we don’t have a pot to piss in due to our utter incompetence under Rowett and Jones. As such despite having a huge stash of cash to spend we can’t. We are being massively hampered by injuries again, but Christ we need a new midfield to replace Allen and Clucas and to get the best out of Vrancic and Powell when he is back. We are building but are short in decent cover in most places when injuries bite.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 30, 2021 21:58:27 GMT
From and including the Peterborough game, we have had 3 dreadful, clueless home performances. Today was the worst of all, absolutely no structure. Has he lost faith in Surridge, why does Ince come on before Doughty. These are worrying times.. Its 4 mate, Peterborough, Blackburn, Boro and tonight Very worrying
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Post by mcw on Dec 30, 2021 21:59:19 GMT
Just an absolute shambles! I have absolutely no idea what the plan is. Batth & Fox are a disaster, absolutely no idea what to do with the ball at their feet, yet we continued to mess around & play ourselves into trouble. We've got a keeper who can’t use his feet too to make matters worse. A midfield with Clucas who unfortunately offers nothing unless he’s scoring. Starting Brown & Campbell together again was the wrong call, it just doesn’t work. This back 3 doesn’t work without Souttar, I can’t believe the management can’t see it. We were set up all wrong (yet again) & got what we deserved which was nothing. I think they do see it, unfortunately we can’t afford to have adequate stand ins so the remnants of other managers follies are forced to stand in…….
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:01:16 GMT
Unfortunately we don’t have a pot to piss in due to our utter incompetence under Rowett and Jones. As such despite having a huge stash of cash to spend we can’t. We are being massively hampered by injuries again, but Christ we need a new midfield to replace Allen and Clucas and to get the best out of Vrancic and Powell when he is back. We are building but are short in decent cover in most places when injuries bite. But he's spent 7-8 million in surridge brown and wilmot. Now that's a lot of money in this league, and every fucker else gets better value than that. None of those 3 are good enough and none of them are going to bail him out of this mess. His signings are the biggest worry and he doesn't seem to have a place for a lot of them. I've always backed him but on every level that was so inept, and it's happening too often. I think he's got himself into a real mess now. Unless the board backs him and he makes a couple of inspired signings we're heading down the table again and that isn't acceptable this season
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Post by victoria on Dec 30, 2021 22:03:08 GMT
Pass the ball to Arnautovic Pass the ball to shaqiri Pass the ball to Powell. We dont learn.Football is a team effort. Without Powell. We dont have a clue.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2021 22:03:22 GMT
For Expected Goals fans, the last 4 home games have produced:
0.27 tonight 0.46 against Boro 0.27 v Blackburn 0.28 against Peterborough
That is just insanely bad and worrying.
They'd all be in our bottom few percent of games in that stat.
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:06:07 GMT
This manager has played more of the younger players than most we’ve had over the last 20 years! Because of injuries or in the 85+ minute. He has loads better sitting or relegated to bench appearances. They need to be starting over the shit like Allen or Clucas. Rooney just proved that point. I must have missed all of those 5 minute cameos from Bursik, Timon, Souttar, Campbell, etc. There was me thinking they were first team regulars. We can definitely do better, but to suggest the manager doesn’t give young players a chance is complete bollocks.
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Post by houstonsteve on Dec 30, 2021 22:07:09 GMT
For Expected Goals fans, the last 4 home games have produced: 0.27 tonight 0.46 against Boro 0.27 v Blackburn 0.28 against Peterborough That is just insanely bad and worrying. They'd all be in our bottom few percent of games in that stat. its extremely obvious that our coaching is quite frankly shit (plus injury record) . Holden got to be a big part for that as well surely. Another stellar appointment by Stoke.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 30, 2021 22:07:38 GMT
For Expected Goals fans, the last 4 home games have produced: 0.27 tonight 0.46 against Boro 0.27 v Blackburn 0.28 against Peterborough That is just insanely bad and worrying. They'd all be in our bottom few percent of games in that stat. Shocking. Another appalling stat- how many crucial late goals (85th min onwards) do we score? The last two I can remember was the Boxing Day game two years ago and Reading away in the first game after lockdown (two seasons ago). Have I missed any? I hope so
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Dec 30, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
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Post by borat on Dec 30, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
And so it begins.......
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2021 22:09:08 GMT
When you see what Rooney is squeezing out of what should be a demotivated bunch of kids and OAPs on rock bottom Champo wages, it really puts things into focus. One thing you can say about Rooney is he’s a winner , even as young lad at Everton , then under Ferguson he’s learnt from the best , I can see him going Everton when they sack Rafa
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Post by mcw on Dec 30, 2021 22:10:16 GMT
Unfortunately we don’t have a pot to piss in due to our utter incompetence under Rowett and Jones. As such despite having a huge stash of cash to spend we can’t. We are being massively hampered by injuries again, but Christ we need a new midfield to replace Allen and Clucas and to get the best out of Vrancic and Powell when he is back. We are building but are short in decent cover in most places when injuries bite. But he's spent 7-8 million in surridge brown and wilmot. Now that's a lot of money in this league, and every fucker else gets better value than that. None of those 3 are good enough and none of them are going to bail him out of this mess. His signings are the biggest worry and he doesn't seem to have a place for a lot of them. I've always backed him but on every level that was so inept, and it's happening too often. I think he's got himself into a real mess now. Unless the board backs him and he makes a couple of inspired signings we're heading down the table again and that isn't acceptable this season Think Wilmot will come good, impetuous but will calm down. Massively missing Soutar. Brown and Surridge, verdict is out and especially on Surridge.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:10:59 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:13:49 GMT
Because of injuries or in the 85+ minute. He has loads better sitting or relegated to bench appearances. They need to be starting over the shit like Allen or Clucas. Rooney just proved that point. I must have missed all of those 5 minute cameos from Bursik, Timon, Souttar, Campbell, etc. There was me thinking they were first team regulars. We can definitely do better, but to suggest the manager doesn’t give young players a chance is complete bollocks. Bursik didn't last, tymon would be out if there was competition. Souttar and Campbell are only two decent regular starters we've seen constantly. For some un-godly reason he doesn't touch midfield with the loads of available options in reserve or on the bench tonight. He leaves Allen and Clucas on when they clearly aren't good enough and only puts on Ince. You're right in that he uses youth but in the wrong areas.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2021 22:18:26 GMT
As far as I can see we've had 3 of our top 10 worst XG games in the last 4 home games in the last month - with the Boro game (0.46) only marginally better
It's not coincidence. At home, it's just not working. You don't have to be a tactical genius to see it, do you?
Stoke's worst XG totals
0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 0.27 TODAY 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER 0.31 0-2 Swansea A (20-21)
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:20:29 GMT
I must have missed all of those 5 minute cameos from Bursik, Timon, Souttar, Campbell, etc. There was me thinking they were first team regulars. We can definitely do better, but to suggest the manager doesn’t give young players a chance is complete bollocks. Bursik didn't last, tymon would be out if there was competition. Souttar and Campbell are only two decent regular starters we've seen constantly. For some un-godly reason he doesn't touch midfield with the loads of available options in reserve or on the bench tonight. He leaves Allen and Clucas on when they clearly aren't good enough and only puts on Ince. You're right in that he uses youth but in the wrong areas. You’ll always get dips in form with younger players but at least the manager has tried them. The main issue as I see it is the squad is still light in centre midfield and whatever combination he chooses doesn’t solve the problem. That, coupled with injuries in that area and I’m not sure who else he could select in there. He could change formation but if he goes 442 we have one less body in there, when seemingly 3 can’t do a job so 2 would be even worse. Alternatively try 433 which would still leave the 3 he played tonight. Not sure what his options are at the minute but I don’t watch many reserve matches so I don’t know if we’ve got a CM who could come in and do a job?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:21:20 GMT
As far as I can see we've had 3 of our top 10 worst XG games in the last 4 home games in the last month - with the Boro game (0.46) only marginally better It's not coincidence. At home, it's just not working. You don't have to be a tactical genius to see it, do you? The facts 😳😳😳😳 Stoke's worst XG totals 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 0.27 TODAY 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOV 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER0.31 0-2 Swansea A (20-21)
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 30, 2021 22:23:37 GMT
I've seen enough to be utterly convinced we can't play 3-5-2 with the personnel who're fit now, and with Tymon and Smith smothered every game. Those xG numbers are disgusting and MON needs to shake it up.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:25:04 GMT
As far as I can see we've had 3 of our top 10 worst XG games in the last 4 home games in the last month - with the Boro game (0.46) only marginally better It's not coincidence. At home, it's just not working. You don't have to be a tactical genius to see it, do you? Stoke's worst XG totals 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 0.27 TODAY 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER0.31 0-2 Swansea A (20-21) Wow Reading that has flicked a switch in me. There's no excuses for that this season, I think there's serious questions to be asked for this manager. I've always liked him but unless there is a plan to sort this out quickly I can't see where we are going with him.
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Post by simple on Dec 30, 2021 22:25:13 GMT
We were beaten by a team who passed the ball better,we’re quicker ,moved the ball better.Thats down to tactics and coaching.Sorry MON your time is up.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2021 22:31:46 GMT
As far as I can see we've had 3 of our top 10 worst XG games in the last 4 home games in the last month - with the Boro game (0.46) only marginally better It's not coincidence. At home, it's just not working. You don't have to be a tactical genius to see it, do you? Stoke's worst XG totals 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 0.27 TODAY 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER0.31 0-2 Swansea A (20-21) Wow Reading that has flicked a switch in me. There's no excuses for that this season, I think there's serious questions to be asked for this manager. I've always liked him but unless there is a plan to sort this out quickly I can't see where we are going with him. Yeah, must admit it is absolutely jaw-dropping when you see it in black and white. I've sat through every turgid minute of this run of games, but I'm still a bit surprised the evidence of our shitness is so overwhelming. And yet nothing changes. Definition of insanity etc. I like MON - but he's starting to worry me. This job sends 'em all crackers in the end
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 30, 2021 22:35:34 GMT
When you see what Rooney is squeezing out of what should be a demotivated bunch of kids and OAPs on rock bottom Champo wages, it really puts things into focus. You coming around to the view he hasn't got the foggiest in this division then ? He's a nice bloke and the best of a bad bunch since Hughes but he's extremely limited.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2021 22:36:07 GMT
As far as I can see we've had 3 of our top 10 worst XG games in the last 4 home games in the last month - with the Boro game (0.46) only marginally better It's not coincidence. At home, it's just not working. You don't have to be a tactical genius to see it, do you? Stoke's worst XG totals 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 0.27 TODAY 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER0.31 0-2 Swansea A (20-21) I didn’t think I could be more bored than Blackburn, today from 19.45 disproved that. Bordering on calamitous
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
I've said it for a long time now, we're nowhere near a top 6 side and we don't have top 6 credentials in the dugout either. I like MON and he's a steady pair of hands when we needed it most, but he just isn't streetwise enough to take the next step.
He reminds me a lot of Mowbray at West Brom. Has his ideals, the way he wants to play but struggles to actually put the components together to do it properly. Even without the injuries our first team was unbalanced in midfield.
We need a manager that is cute in the transfer market and wily in the dugout. A man who can change tac at the drop of a hat to grind something out. Not someone who blindly sticks to trying to play out from the back without a centre half capable of doing it...
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2021 22:39:56 GMT
When you see what Rooney is squeezing out of what should be a demotivated bunch of kids and OAPs on rock bottom Champo wages, it really puts things into focus. You coming around to the view he hasn't got the foggiest in this division then ? He's a nice bloke and the best of a bad bunch since Hughes but he's extremely limited. The case for he prosecution is certainly looking stronger in that regard, Gary! Stubbornness and dodgy recruitment isn't a good combination.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 30, 2021 22:39:57 GMT
Crippled by injuries but no plan B
It's getting Joneseaque how he sticks with this set up despite having a personnel that aren't suited to it
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2021 22:39:58 GMT
We've got to go back to a back 4 in the short-term- with Souttar gone, there's zero building out of defence, Smith and Tymon are creating f*** all, meaning it all falls on Vrancic. And that's completely unfair And without a fit-and-firing Fletcher, no other combination up front can function at all. Absolutely until we hopefully get a couple in. Even if we have to bring Chester in and play Wilmott in either a midfield 2 with Allen or a 3 with Allen and Vrancic……
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 22:44:12 GMT
For Christ sakes, do the right thing Peter Coates and sack this clown!!! The clown that kept us up front heading to League 1. The only clown is you.
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 30, 2021 22:44:49 GMT
For Expected Goals fans, the last 4 home games have produced: 0.27 tonight 0.46 against Boro 0.27 v Blackburn 0.28 against Peterborough That is just insanely bad and worrying. They'd all be in our bottom few percent of games in that stat. Not a massive one for xG stats but those ones really do tell the stories of each of those games. Worrying thing is we’ve gone into each one with the exact same flawed tactics and expected something different to magically happen.
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