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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 14, 2021 10:01:57 GMT
Not so sure MrB. With 3 games a week and plenty of games to go I would say Bournemouth in particular are far from guaranteed automatic. Starting to crack a bit as you said. More often than not is a side that puts a tidy run together and comes up on the outside late on. Could be Just thought that their form has dropped right off but still have a points cushion Just don't see this window being one for any of the chasing pack to splash out chasing second spot Their cushion is thinner than ours over the likes of Sheffield Utd, Middlesborough and Forest. Do you think we've got enough to keep those teams below us? Even come Easter I don't think three points is enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 10:50:39 GMT
Could be Just thought that their form has dropped right off but still have a points cushion Just don't see this window being one for any of the chasing pack to splash out chasing second spot Their cushion is thinner than ours over the likes of Sheffield Utd, Middlesborough and Forest. Do you think we've got enough to keep those teams below us? Even come Easter I don't think three points is enough. A lot depends on injuries and obviously the window. I think if not for injuries we'd be sitting in the top 4 but a lot can change very quickly. Going to be very tight for the play off places . We have a decent chance
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2021 12:38:44 GMT
True but from the last one we can ascertain that they think its fine from what they said. We then spent money in the transfer window, which wasn't expected. Unless they don't give a fuck about it then I can't see any indicators that FFP is even close to being an issue for us. Yes it looks like covid exemptions have played a blinder for us. Still with the end of Parachute payments and a chunky wage bill I doubt we have much of a dong to swing around. I don't think we will and I don't think it's that bad of a thing tbh. We don't spend money wisely and our best signings in the last 10-15 years tbh have generally been ones that are on the lower side money wise. There's a lot of players out of contract in the summer too and this should ease the wage burden considerably too.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 14, 2021 18:27:46 GMT
Have they found some Saxon or Viking gold under the boothen? Maybe we can finally pay off some of these shit transfers and wages we've been stuck with. We already have paid most of them off Afobe and Ince to go in the summer when their contracts are up Sorry to disappoint.Afobe has another 12 months left on his contract come the summer.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 15, 2021 10:51:14 GMT
We already have paid most of them off Afobe and Ince to go in the summer when their contracts are up Sorry to disappoint.Afobe has another 12 months left on his contract come the summer. Thanks to the arsehole that is Gary Rowett and whoever it was that decided he was our best option for a quick return to the promised land of Premiership football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:49:48 GMT
We will find out this comming January transfer window if FFP is real or total BS
If Newcastle United manage to out spend the rest of the prem despite being bottom ...you can safely assume their spending power doesn't come from the money you earn for being bottom of the league , as opposed to being mid table or top .
Every time you move up one place in the prem it's worth something like a million quid per year
If Newcastle United are bottom of the league and out spending everyone , you can assume FFP is bollox
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Post by potterburt on Dec 15, 2021 13:04:10 GMT
We will find out this comming January transfer window if FFP is real or total BS If Newcastle United manage to out spend the rest of the prem despite being bottom ...you can safely assume their spending power doesn't come from the money you earn for being bottom of the league , as opposed to being mid table or top . Every time you move up one place in the prem it's worth something like a million quid per year If Newcastle United are bottom of the league and out spending everyone , you can assume FFP is bollox Errr….. no. What a bizarre post. I hope you have better luck in trying to disprove the tooth fairy on mumsnet.com
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 15:24:28 GMT
We will find out this comming January transfer window if FFP is real or total BS If Newcastle United manage to out spend the rest of the prem despite being bottom ...you can safely assume their spending power doesn't come from the money you earn for being bottom of the league , as opposed to being mid table or top . Every time you move up one place in the prem it's worth something like a million quid per year If Newcastle United are bottom of the league and out spending everyone , you can assume FFP is bollox Errr….. no. What a bizarre post. I hope you have better luck in trying to disprove the tooth fairy on mumsnet.com interestingfootball.com/premier-league-prize-money-epl-teams-prize-by-position-table/The difference in prize money between comming top ( 150 million ) and bottom ( 90 million ) Is 60 million quid , a difference of 3 million quid per place If bottom of the table Newcastle outspend everyone , the explanation is not financial fair play , the explanation is they have new owners who are doing whatever they feel like . Fair enough , I am not going to stop them , but that's not financial fair play .
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 15, 2021 15:47:31 GMT
Errr….. no. What a bizarre post. I hope you have better luck in trying to disprove the tooth fairy on mumsnet.com interestingfootball.com/premier-league-prize-money-epl-teams-prize-by-position-table/The difference in prize money between comming top ( 150 million ) and bottom ( 90 million ) Is 60 million quid , a difference of 3 million quid per place If bottom of the table Newcastle outspend everyone , the explanation is not financial fair play , the explanation is they have new owners who are doing whatever they feel like . Fair enough , I am not going to stop them , but that's not financial fair play . There's probably a difference in wage bill of that from top to bottom. It really isn't that black n white with FFP. For a start it isn't based on any 1 given year, So you can spend big 1 year as long as you sell for profit in other years. For eg it looks like Spurs could spend more than anyone if they wanted to because of past profits in the transfer market, not because of where they've finished in the league.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2021 11:30:59 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 28, 2021 11:36:39 GMT
Errr….. no. What a bizarre post. I hope you have better luck in trying to disprove the tooth fairy on mumsnet.com interestingfootball.com/premier-league-prize-money-epl-teams-prize-by-position-table/The difference in prize money between comming top ( 150 million ) and bottom ( 90 million ) Is 60 million quid , a difference of 3 million quid per place If bottom of the table Newcastle outspend everyone , the explanation is not financial fair play , the explanation is they have new owners who are doing whatever they feel like . Fair enough , I am not going to stop them , but that's not financial fair play . TV money only one source of income, Newcastle have a large home crowd & sponsorship deals. Each club in PL can lose £105 million over 3 seasons and Newcastle have been making money. Most estimates are they could spend £200 million in January and comfortably stay within FFP rules
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Post by nonameface on Dec 28, 2021 14:08:38 GMT
Wonder how much of this is down to player write downs? Covid provides the perfect way of manipulating for FFP reasons. We've done it, wonder if any wont.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 28, 2021 15:12:10 GMT
The idea we have a little master strike planned for the new year seems to have gone quiet , and the manager certainly not indicating a bigger budget in January
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 28, 2021 15:55:32 GMT
Their message board is quite an interesting read. Their resident self styled FFP experts have spent so much time sticking the boot into other clubs, including us, they seemed to have forgotten to look at their own. Oops...
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Post by independent on Dec 28, 2021 19:30:39 GMT
Bristol City: Championship side report losses of £38.4m for 2020-21 financial year.The total is significantly up on the losses of £10.1m the Championship club reported for the previous 12 months.
They blame the increased loss on the impact of having to play behind closed doors because of the coronavirus pandemic and a big drop in profits from selling players.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2021 19:33:02 GMT
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Post by independent on Dec 28, 2021 21:14:54 GMT
How many other clubs are going to be showing losses like this? Even disregarding FFP, how many clubs are able to absorb losses like this? Will we see a lot of clubs trying to sell players whose contracts end in June? Anyone for Ince? If we have to play in empty grounds again this season then we could have a very interesting transfer window in the Summer with a big collapse in transfer values.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 28, 2021 21:42:56 GMT
How many other clubs are going to be showing losses like this? Even disregarding FFP, how many clubs are able to absorb losses like this? Will we see a lot of clubs trying to sell players whose contracts end in June? Anyone for Ince? If we have to play in empty grounds again this season then we could have a very interesting transfer window in the Summer with a big collapse in transfer values. Any club that doesn't do this is mad, if you owner has the cash you can free up FFP space you can use on wages to acquire players on frees or loans etc I suspect very few championship clubs will pay significant fees, as well as transfer fees I also expect wages will collapse except for the very very best.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 28, 2021 22:20:03 GMT
And so the gap between rich and poor ever increases... In the United Kingdom of all places.
It won't be much of a sport soon (it really wasn't ever a sport really, statistically speaking its as rigged as watching a Ferrari Vs a Toyota)
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 28, 2021 22:26:07 GMT
I feel like the gap between the Prem and Championship is growing exponentially.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2021 22:51:08 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 28, 2021 23:42:29 GMT
I feel like the gap between the Prem and Championship is growing exponentially. On average, at least half the clubs in the Prem lose money
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 28, 2021 23:50:36 GMT
We will find out this comming January transfer window if FFP is real or total BS If Newcastle United manage to out spend the rest of the prem despite being bottom ...you can safely assume their spending power doesn't come from the money you earn for being bottom of the league , as opposed to being mid table or top . Every time you move up one place in the prem it's worth something like a million quid per year If Newcastle United are bottom of the league and out spending everyone , you can assume FFP is bollox What a load of bollocks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 0:03:48 GMT
The idea we have a little master strike planned for the new year seems to have gone quiet , and the manager certainly not indicating a bigger budget in January Why would a manager say I have a bigger budget anyway? The club never talks about money available, why would they? How many claimed we were potless before buying Surridge? All idle speculation. Who claimed we had a master plan and how has it gone quiet? Let's see what happens.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 29, 2021 0:32:14 GMT
The idea we have a little master strike planned for the new year seems to have gone quiet , and the manager certainly not indicating a bigger budget in January Why would a manager say I have a bigger budget anyway? The club never talks about money available, why would they? How many claimed we were potless before buying Surridge? All idle speculation. Who claimed we had a master plan and how has it gone quiet? Let's see what happens. You misread my comment as a criticism it wasn’t it was merely an observation , as I’ve said before many times the owners commitment is behind reproach and I’m sure if there is an opportunity to do something clever they will find it and if they did they’d provide even more unbelievable financial support
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 0:43:46 GMT
Why would a manager say I have a bigger budget anyway? The club never talks about money available, why would they? How many claimed we were potless before buying Surridge? All idle speculation. Who claimed we had a master plan and how has it gone quiet? Let's see what happens. You misread my comment as a criticism it wasn’t it was merely an observation , as I’ve said before many times the owners commitment is behind reproach and I’m sure if there is an opportunity to do something clever they will find it and if they did they’d provide even more unbelievable financial support Ok apologies there BB Maybe so used to so many claiming we're in money trouble when in fact we've spent money of late and none of us have a clue. Be nice if we could land a couple in Jan as got a great chance of landing a top 6 place despite the injury pile.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 29, 2021 3:26:51 GMT
Since 2012 they've lost 170million quid. An average loss of 410,000 a week. There hasn't even been a substantial promotion push to show for it. Two of them seasons since 2012 were in the 3rd tier.
And if their fans were asked what the best course of action is... they'd say to spend lots more money.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 29, 2021 7:49:21 GMT
When do we release ours? I get the feeling that ours will dwarf that.
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 29, 2021 8:10:22 GMT
When do we release ours? I get the feeling that ours will dwarf that. We'd normally have seen them by now, the deadline for the club accounts is Feb 22 but Bet365 group accounts used to be due by December however they've used a little trick, they've changed the year end for Bet365 by a day which has given them an extra 3 months to submit the accounts. So looks like we've gotta wait until the end of Feb.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 29, 2021 8:12:34 GMT
This is where FFP needs to be binned or changed.
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