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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 9:45:34 GMT
I think he was and always will be a bloody idiot. You can't blame managers, he surrounded himself by similar types and hangers on. Had moments of brilliance but better remembered for his antics at times. I'm not blaming managers for Gascoigne's ongoing chaos. But in the case of the 1991 FA Cup Final Venables should've been more aware of his mindset Not at all Joe. You can't blame Venables for the utter stupidity of that challenge, same as he did in the WC semi final. The bloke was a liability and why so many like him have no idea. Turning up in the state he did and putting the WC second wasn't acceptable in Hoddle's reign. He was right to drop him as was struggling after 10 mins v Tunisia in the previous friendly. Is a reason he never played at the very very top level and won anything domestically.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2021 10:02:58 GMT
I'm not blaming managers for Gascoigne's ongoing chaos. But in the case of the 1991 FA Cup Final Venables should've been more aware of his mindset Not at all Joe. You can't blame Venables for the utter stupidity of that challenge, same as he did in the semi final. The bloke was a liability and why so many like him have no idea. Turning up in the state he did and putting the WC second wasn't acceptable in Hoddle's reign. He was right to drop him as was struggling after 10 mins v Tunisia in the previous friendly. Is a reason he never played at the very very top level and won anything domestically. Have been reading Chic Charnley's book and he's a similar case (to a much lesser extent obviously). Could've been a brilliant player at a higher level and could've played for Scotland but he just couldn't control his behaviour and too many others enabled him along the way.
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Post by thfc67 on Dec 8, 2021 10:06:00 GMT
I'm not blaming managers for Gascoigne's ongoing chaos. But in the case of the 1991 FA Cup Final Venables should've been more aware of his mindset Not at all Joe. You can't blame Venables for the utter stupidity of that challenge, same as he did in the semi final. The bloke was a liability and why so many like him have no idea. Turning up in the state he did and putting the WC second wasn't acceptable in Hoddle's reign. He was right to drop him as was struggling after 10 mins v Tunisia in the previous friendly. Is a reason he never played at the very very top level and won anything domestically. He won the FA Cup with Spurs in 1991. And for what it's worth, two Scottish Premier Leagues with Rangers.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
Not at all Joe. You can't blame Venables for the utter stupidity of that challenge, same as he did in the semi final. The bloke was a liability and why so many like him have no idea. Turning up in the state he did and putting the WC second wasn't acceptable in Hoddle's reign. He was right to drop him as was struggling after 10 mins v Tunisia in the previous friendly. Is a reason he never played at the very very top level and won anything domestically. He won the FA Cup with Spurs in 1991. And for what it's worth, two Scottish Premier Leagues with Rangers. That's not loads for a player of his talent (bit generous re 91 as well, technically true but very much won in spite of him on the day, though as you say, he got them there pretty much on his own). Much less talented players of his generation won lots more, which is a bit of a shame.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 8, 2021 10:34:23 GMT
It sounds like his last league game for Spurs against Oxford. Is it this? It fucking well is you beauty….!Great work chief…..it’s just as brilliant as I remember!!!! Commentary by Bayernoatcake: "...the rest of it you or I could do"
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 8, 2021 10:50:35 GMT
And he’s been talked about on this site because?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2021 10:56:35 GMT
And he’s been talked about on this site because? Oh do bore off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 11:08:03 GMT
Not at all Joe. You can't blame Venables for the utter stupidity of that challenge, same as he did in the semi final. The bloke was a liability and why so many like him have no idea. Turning up in the state he did and putting the WC second wasn't acceptable in Hoddle's reign. He was right to drop him as was struggling after 10 mins v Tunisia in the previous friendly. Is a reason he never played at the very very top level and won anything domestically. He won the FA Cup with Spurs in 1991. And for what it's worth, two Scottish Premier Leagues with Rangers. It's not worth a lot.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 8, 2021 12:06:40 GMT
And he’s been talked about on this site because? Because the Stoke City FC section of this forum is for “Stoke City and other football related talk only”. Keep up.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 3:44:14 GMT
He won the FA Cup with Spurs in 1991. And for what it's worth, two Scottish Premier Leagues with Rangers. It's not worth a lot. Most overrated player, he could do a useful Cruyff turn and the odd stepover while using his arms to barge players out the way, but won sweet FA!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2021 6:03:21 GMT
Most overrated player, he could do a useful Cruyff turn and the odd stepover while using his arms to barge players out the way, but won sweet FA!! Is winning stuff the measure of how good a player is though? What did Hoddle win? Couple of FA Cups and the French league?
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 8:32:21 GMT
Most overrated player, he could do a useful Cruyff turn and the odd stepover while using his arms to barge players out the way, but won sweet FA!! Is winning stuff the measure of how good a player is though? What did Hoddle win? Couple of FA Cups and the French league? It’s not no but in my opinion, Hoddle was a much better player and had more than half a brain cell!!
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Post by Gods on Dec 9, 2021 9:04:02 GMT
Must admit I was never a big Gascoigne fan, he was all arms and elbows.
I'm fine with someone partying their way in to oblivion if it's done with a bit of style but he was never cool either.
He wasn't my thing.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 11:14:44 GMT
Must admit I was never a big Gascoigne fan, he was all arms and elbows. I'm fine with someone partying their way in to oblivion if it's done with a bit of style but he was never cool either. He wasn't my thing. Absolutely, a complete idiot!!
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Post by masterpotter on Dec 9, 2021 11:18:38 GMT
Must admit I was never a big Gascoigne fan, he was all arms and elbows. I'm fine with someone partying their way in to oblivion if it's done with a bit of style but he was never cool either. He wasn't my thing. Absolutely, a complete idiot!! Do you ever write anything positive. You constantly knock Stoke always predict us to lose and am now highlights critical of two very gifted players….. very sad
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 11:21:41 GMT
Absolutely, a complete idiot!! Do you ever write anything positive. You constantly knock Stoke always predict us to lose and am now highlights critical of two very gifted players….. very sad I’m speaking my mind ode, was a decent player I’ll give you that, but probably one of the biggest clowns ever to grace a football pitch, a complete knob!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 11:23:54 GMT
Do you ever write anything positive. You constantly knock Stoke always predict us to lose and am now highlights critical of two very gifted players….. very sad I’m speaking my mind ode, was a decent player I’ll give you that, but probably one of the biggest clowns ever to grace a football pitch, a complete knob!! I agree with HiyaDuck on this one. 👍
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 11:48:40 GMT
I’m speaking my mind ode, was a decent player I’ll give you that, but probably one of the biggest clowns ever to grace a football pitch, a complete knob!! I agree with HiyaDuck on this one. 👍 Kin’ell you orate
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Post by masterpotter on Dec 9, 2021 11:57:50 GMT
I agree with HiyaDuck on this one. 👍 Kin’ell you orate Unbelievable……
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 12:03:26 GMT
Am not sure. I may have drunk Toilet Duck by mistake.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2021 13:13:15 GMT
Do you ever write anything positive. You constantly knock Stoke always predict us to lose and am now highlights critical of two very gifted players….. very sad I’m speaking my mind ode, was a decent player I’ll give you that, but probably one of the biggest clowns ever to grace a football pitch, a complete knob!! You don’t like him, I think we got the message
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 19:20:24 GMT
I’m speaking my mind ode, was a decent player I’ll give you that, but probably one of the biggest clowns ever to grace a football pitch, a complete knob!! You don’t like him, I think we got the message It’s not that I don’t like him, I’ve never met him!! It annoys me that everyone drools over this complete idiot, he had a couple of good years and that was it. He was and is a complete embarrassment to this country in a football term!!
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2021 20:16:28 GMT
You don’t like him, I think we got the message It’s not that I don’t like him, I’ve never met him!! It annoys me that everyone drools over this complete idiot, he had a couple of good years and that was it. He was and is a complete embarrassment to this country in a football term!! I think it’s that you don’t like him
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 9, 2021 20:20:02 GMT
You don’t like him, I think we got the message It’s not that I don’t like him, I’ve never met him!! It annoys me that everyone drools over this complete idiot, he had a couple of good years and that was it. He was and is a complete embarrassment to this country in a football term!! You don't seem to like MON either. Have you met him?
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 21:05:21 GMT
It’s not that I don’t like him, I’ve never met him!! It annoys me that everyone drools over this complete idiot, he had a couple of good years and that was it. He was and is a complete embarrassment to this country in a football term!! You don't seem to like MON either. Have you met him? You don’t have to meet someone to realise they’re a complete moron which is what Gascoigne is, an embarrassment to British football!!
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 9, 2021 21:18:14 GMT
You don't seem to like MON either. Have you met him? You don’t have to meet someone to realise they’re a complete moron which is what Gascoigne is, an embarrassment to British football!! Ironically not many of us on here have met you either..
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 9, 2021 22:13:07 GMT
You don’t have to meet someone to realise they’re a complete moron which is what Gascoigne is, an embarrassment to British football!! Ironically not many of us on here have met you either.. Get to away games then!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 22:02:46 GMT
Most overrated player, he could do a useful Cruyff turn and the odd stepover while using his arms to barge players out the way, but won sweet FA!! Is winning stuff the measure of how good a player is though? What did Hoddle win? Couple of FA Cups and the French league? Not at all but the fact one of the major clubs didn't sign him is.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 10, 2021 22:58:15 GMT
Is winning stuff the measure of how good a player is though? What did Hoddle win? Couple of FA Cups and the French league? Not at all but the fact one of the major clubs didn't sign him is. Why oh why does this waster still get airtime. Hoddle on the other hand!!
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 10, 2021 23:23:38 GMT
This awkward interlude, (Where it requires defending Gascoine in order to "score a point" in debate against Hyaduck) was brought to you by Bet365.
And...back to normal programming. I think he was a flaming idiot and a verbal ticking time-bomb.
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