Boards expectations for this season?

[gingerninja]

Not the Oatcake board that is. Would the board are thought anything other than the play offs would be a poor season I wonder?.

[wearestoke80]

I think if we are challenging for them then that’s progress

[nottsover60]

Nov 30, 2021 13:58:02 GMT gingerninja said:

Not the Oatcake board that is. Would the board are thought anything other than the play offs would be a poor season I wonder?.

I think they are more understanding and realistic than this board! Some will say less ambitious but then they aren't putting the money in or worrying about FFP. 

[CBUFAWKIPWH]

I think the board would take top 10 quite happily and only get jittery if we in the mix for relegation. The board took on O'Neill with a long term plan in mind that involved completely clearing the decks next summer and challenging for promotion in 2022/23 and 2023/24 with a completely revamped squad. If we get in the playoffs this season I think it will be viewed as being ahead of schedule and if anything a bit of an over achievement.

For me the fundamental difference is that those in charge of the club have realised we are just another Championship side with dreams of promotion and not a Premiership side somehow struggling to fulfill their rightful destiny. They are doing the right thing by the club in being financially responsible and patient rather than jeopardizing the long term future of the club by buying promotion rather than earning it.

[mamasgloves]

I remember reading the as ever club guided rhetoric in the Sentinel where top 6 minimum was mentioned more than once, that was this time last year

[Deleted]

I think only injuries will keep us out of the play offs but thinking 8th to 10th as it stands.

[stokecitytalke]

I'm sure the board would see a top half finish as progress.

I thought 6th to 10th this season.

[lordb]

Nov 30, 2021 13:58:02 GMT gingerninja said:

Not the Oatcake board that is. Would the board are thought anything other than the play offs would be a poor season I wonder?.

given we have finished nowhere near the play offs three season running I would assume they will be pleased with the current season so far & will be absolutely delighted with the huge clear out of unwanted players

if we finish in the play offs (for the record I think we will) they will be please surely?
if we finish within a few places ^ a few points (say 8th four points off) they won't be disappointed would assume

if we finish ,as the doom mongers persist, clearly mid table with around 60 points then that's a different matter, that would be deemed as a poor season yes

I think we will get 70 points at least (expecting 75)

whoever wins the play offs is going to be an average Championship quality side
there is one very good side (Fulham) & 1 good side (Bournemouth)

[lordb]

Nov 30, 2021 15:53:34 GMT mamasgloves said:

I remember reading the as ever club guided rhetoric in the Sentinel where top 6 minimum was mentioned more than once, that was this time last year

not seen club statement along those lines since Rowett was appointed

[mrcoke]

If injuries keep cropping up the way they are we will struggle to make the play offs.

We have a squad of young players who have still not reached the required standard apart from Soutter and a shed load if old players well past their best apart from Smith.

Apart from Soutter, the only young player who is good enough is Tymon, but is symptomatic that things are so bad in MF that MON has to play him out of position.

[clarkeda]

Nov 30, 2021 16:50:58 GMT lordb said:

Nov 30, 2021 15:53:34 GMT mamasgloves said:

I remember reading the as ever club guided rhetoric in the Sentinel where top 6 minimum was mentioned more than once, that was this time last year

not seen club statement along those lines since Rowett was appointed

MON narrative for the last 2 years really has been promotion.

However with injuries I imagine 6-10 is acceptable for the board as that’s still progress.

Next summer could be huge for our club.

[gawa]

Nov 30, 2021 16:50:58 GMT lordb said:

Nov 30, 2021 15:53:34 GMT mamasgloves said:

I remember reading the as ever club guided rhetoric in the Sentinel where top 6 minimum was mentioned more than once, that was this time last year

not seen club statement along those lines since Rowett was appointed

Me neither. Think he’s mixing up his sources. Probably seen a post by hyaduck lol

[adamsson]

Nov 30, 2021 16:06:58 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

I think only injuries will keep us out of the play offs but thinking 8th to 10th as it stands.

Campbell should fully fit soon and with Powell back we should be in a good position for a playoff push in the spring and hopefully other teams will have important players out

[Deleted]

Nov 30, 2021 18:25:51 GMT adamsson said:

Nov 30, 2021 16:06:58 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

I think only injuries will keep us out of the play offs but thinking 8th to 10th as it stands.

Campbell should fully fit soon and with Powell back we should be in a good position for a playoff push in the spring and hopefully other teams will have important players out

Hopefully. We need that ugly player in as well. I don't mean one who looks like Troy Deeney but the type who can break things up a bit more. If as you say we can get Powell and Campbell fit/fitter we have a real good chance.

[salfordstokie]

Think the board would accept a top half finish with the play-offs still a possibility going into the final 6/7 games at least. Another bottom half finish would put a lot of pressure on the manager, especially from the fans.

[gawa]

Nov 30, 2021 19:04:02 GMT salfordstokie said:

Think the board would accept a top half finish with the play-offs still a possibility going into the final 6/7 games at least. Another bottom half finish would put a lot of pressure on the manager, especially from the fans.

To be honest I think the next 4 games are critical for the manager. We have QPR, Coventry, Middlesbrough and Barnsley. 3 of those games being away from home.

Given the current injuries that’s quite a difficult run. But to be entering it off the back of 2 losses as well adds to the difficulty.

Ideally I think he needs 5 or 6 points minimum but even with that you know there will be more pressure on the manager off the back of it because that could potential be 1 win in 6.

Personally I still think he’s the right man long term but I’m probably a bit more supportive of the manager than the average fan right now.

I think December will be a difficult month but I’m quite confident that we can go on another good run from Christmas onwards.

[salfordstokie]

Nov 30, 2021 19:14:25 GMT gawa said:

Nov 30, 2021 19:04:02 GMT salfordstokie said:

Think the board would accept a top half finish with the play-offs still a possibility going into the final 6/7 games at least. Another bottom half finish would put a lot of pressure on the manager, especially from the fans.

To be honest I think the next 4 games are critical for the manager. We have QPR, Coventry, Middlesbrough and Barnsley. 3 of those games being away from home.

Given the current injuries that’s quite a difficult run. But to be entering it off the back of 2 losses as well adds to the difficulty.

Ideally I think he needs 5 or 6 points minimum but even with that you know there will be more pressure on the manager off the back of it because that could potential be 1 win in 6.

Personally I still think he’s the right man long term but I’m probably a bit more supportive of the manager than the average fan right now.

I think December will be a difficult month but I’m quite confident that we can go on another good run from Christmas onwards.

Ive always said MON has done a good job so far and theres no doubt injuries have had an impact. However, I do think he can be quite one dimensional tactically and very reactive in matches. Regardless of injuries, a bad run will bring pressure. Failure to fight for promotion this year will make it 4 years in the Championship with no real progress made towards a PL return. Fans wont have much patience.

[gawa]

Nov 30, 2021 19:19:47 GMT salfordstokie said:

Nov 30, 2021 19:14:25 GMT gawa said:

To be honest I think the next 4 games are critical for the manager. We have QPR, Coventry, Middlesbrough and Barnsley. 3 of those games being away from home.

Given the current injuries that’s quite a difficult run. But to be entering it off the back of 2 losses as well adds to the difficulty.

Ideally I think he needs 5 or 6 points minimum but even with that you know there will be more pressure on the manager off the back of it because that could potential be 1 win in 6.

Personally I still think he’s the right man long term but I’m probably a bit more supportive of the manager than the average fan right now.

I think December will be a difficult month but I’m quite confident that we can go on another good run from Christmas onwards.

Ive always said MON has done a good job so far and theres no doubt injuries have had an impact. However, I do think he can be quite one dimensional tactically and very reactive in matches. Regardless of injuries, a bad run will bring pressure. Failure to fight for promotion this year will make it 4 years in the Championship with no real progress made towards a PL return. Fans wont have much patience.

I think though with where we were when MON took over and with FFP looming, by that stage the likelihood of playoffs for the next couple of seasons was unlikely.

Looking at last seasons results. We had 33 points by this stage and 36 points after 24 games. Leaving us in 8th place at that point.

At present we have 31 points from 20. If we can reach 36 then we are on par with the first half of last season where we were in a good position.

If we can hit that same tally and remain in the top 10. Then I think with a few signings in January and injuries coming back that we can really push on and contest.

[salfordstokie]

Nov 30, 2021 19:29:32 GMT gawa said:

Nov 30, 2021 19:19:47 GMT salfordstokie said:

Ive always said MON has done a good job so far and theres no doubt injuries have had an impact. However, I do think he can be quite one dimensional tactically and very reactive in matches. Regardless of injuries, a bad run will bring pressure. Failure to fight for promotion this year will make it 4 years in the Championship with no real progress made towards a PL return. Fans wont have much patience.

I think though with where we were when MON took over and with FFP looming, by that stage the likelihood of playoffs for the next couple of seasons was unlikely.

Looking at last seasons results. We had 33 points by this stage and 36 points after 24 games. Leaving us in 8th place at that point.

At present we have 31 points from 20. If we can reach 36 then we are on par with the first half of last season where we were in a good position.

If we can hit that same tally and remain in the top 10. Then I think with a few signings in January and injuries coming back that we can really push on and contest.

Lets hope so, although Ive never been confident we can sustain a promotion chase (although I am a pessimist!). Like you say, FFP has really dented what we can do in the transfer market. Without it, we would actually have the chance to see what MON is capable of with a decent budget!

[dirtclod]

Nov 30, 2021 15:32:29 GMT CBUFAWKIPWH said:

I think the board would take top 10 quite happily and only get jittery if we in the mix for relegation. The board took on O'Neill with a long term plan in mind that involved completely clearing the decks next summer and challenging for promotion in 2022/23 and 2023/24 with a completely revamped squad. If we get in the playoffs this season I think it will be viewed as being ahead of schedule and if anything a bit of an over achievement.

For me the fundamental difference is that those in charge of the club have realised we are just another Championship side with dreams of promotion and not a Premiership side somehow struggling to fulfill their rightful destiny. They are doing the right thing by the club in being financially responsible and patient rather than jeopardizing the long term future of the club by buying promotion rather than earning it.

You gotta stop with common sense like this. 

This message board can't take the shock.

Agree, by the way. 

[heworksardtho]

Just to stay up they have no ambition at all

[crouchpotato1]

[adamsson]

Dec 1, 2021 9:35:24 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

What would a Derby fan know about football?

[Deleted]

Dec 1, 2021 11:31:12 GMT adamsson said:

Dec 1, 2021 9:35:24 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

What would a Derby fan know about football?

To be fair Derby are putting in some effort this season. More than likely will go down of course but really having a go.

[crouchpotato1]

Dec 1, 2021 11:31:12 GMT adamsson said:

Dec 1, 2021 9:35:24 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

What would a Derby fan know about football?

The Second tier pod is a very good listen and they’re usually knowledgeable about most championship clubs to be fair

[wakeypotter]

Nov 30, 2021 15:32:29 GMT CBUFAWKIPWH said:

I think the board would take top 10 quite happily and only get jittery if we in the mix for relegation. The board took on O'Neill with a long term plan in mind that involved completely clearing the decks next summer and challenging for promotion in 2022/23 and 2023/24 with a completely revamped squad. If we get in the playoffs this season I think it will be viewed as being ahead of schedule and if anything a bit of an over achievement.

For me the fundamental difference is that those in charge of the club have realised we are just another Championship side with dreams of promotion and not a Premiership side somehow struggling to fulfill their rightful destiny. They are doing the right thing by the club in being financially responsible and patient rather than jeopardizing the long term future of the club by buying promotion rather than earning it.

If that’s the way they look at it we’ve to put up with performances like satdee for a bloody long time☹️

[Gods]

My favourite subject.

Have we had a single peep out of anyone on the board this season?

I guess we are down to 2 active members with TS through the exit door and PC at home with his horlicks.

[The Toxic Avenger]

Dec 1, 2021 12:33:53 GMT Gods said:

My favourite subject.

Have we had a single peep out of anyone on the board this season?

I guess we are down to 2 with TS through the exit door and PC at home with his horlicks.

You must've been punching the air when PC came out with 'what's all the fuss about', Gods?

Thank god, finally we've heard from the board and they've allayed all our fears, the only way is up!

[stokemark]

The ambtion at the club aligns with the level of communcation - Dwindling rapidly

Coatesy is 84 soon and wont go on forever - Its all part of conditioning us for the future

If the club were serious about the Premier League we would move heaven and earth to appoint Daniel Farke - Track record of getting out of this league and great at getting a tune out of average players.

We are not serious and we are going to be, at best, treading water for a very long time

[armitage21]

With a fit and firing Ty, Powell and Souttar - top six.

Without them, top half.