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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 27, 2021 17:13:28 GMT
Thankfully I didn’t see today’s game but clearly we’ve taken a big step backwards after 3 wins.
Though I do like MON and want him to stay he’s not helping himself at the moment with some obvious blind spots.
- Why does Chester get selected. Way past his past.
- With our current pool of players why not play a 3 from Wilmot, Fox, Batth, Ostegaard.
- Why not move Wilmot into DM and keep Tymon at LWB
- Brown and Campbell was never going to work we’d have been better off flooding the midfield and playing Brown up on his own.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 27, 2021 17:15:47 GMT
O’ Neill not good enough and neither are half the players....
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 27, 2021 17:22:19 GMT
Injuries have just proven that O'Neill hasn't built a decent squad and hasn't covered key positions. Lot's brought in but have not improved the squad at all.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 27, 2021 17:27:37 GMT
Injuries have just proven that O'Neill hasn't built a decent squad and hasn't covered key positions. Lot's brought in but have not improved the squad at all. I do think though at this level with what money we have that’s easier said than done. When you look at where we were when we took over from Jones he’s 1- saved us from relegation 2- Improved us. Despite today we are still top 8. We definately need to improve though. Our CM needs some steel and we need to go back to starting Wilmott and Ostegaard with Batth. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 17:28:37 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over.
Regroup in July.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2021 17:30:18 GMT
MON has done, and continues to do, a fine job.
Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult.
We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one.
Be realistic.
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 17:37:03 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. We're only 5 points off bottom half. Where would we sit in a players wages table? I like MON but he's far from a man at the top of his game! |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2021 17:43:59 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. We're only 5 points off bottom half. Where would we sit in a players wages table? I like MON but he's far from a man at the top of his game! I could not disagree more. We are competing with what is not far from a second eleven. If anyone thought our team - even at full strength - is miles better than the rest of the teams in this league then I’m afraid they were completely deluded. P.s Wages are fairly irrelevant if half the people you are paying can’t play ! |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 27, 2021 17:49:18 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Yeah only 26 games to go  |
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Post by prettything on Nov 27, 2021 17:50:39 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. We're only 5 points off bottom half. Where would we sit in a players wages table? I like MON but he's far from a man at the top of his game! The players wages are a shared responsibility of previous managers, not his . But you knew this already, right? |
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 17:50:58 GMT
We're only 5 points off bottom half. Where would we sit in a players wages table? I like MON but he's far from a man at the top of his game! I could not disagree more. We are competing with what is not far from a second eleven. If anyone thought our team - even at full strength - is miles better than the rest of the teams in this league then I’m afraid they were completely deluded. But that's the problem isn't it? Our squad is bang average but our wage bill isn't. Sure we've been unlucky with injuries but then I don't know how we have finished up with such a physically fragile group of players. And the suspensions are just completely unnecessary, plain crackers in fact. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 27, 2021 17:52:34 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times |
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 17:54:15 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Yeah only 26 games to go Sure, it's not mathematically over, that won't happen until April. |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2021 17:55:54 GMT
I could not disagree more. We are competing with what is not far from a second eleven. If anyone thought our team - even at full strength - is miles better than the rest of the teams in this league then I’m afraid they were completely deluded. But that's the problem isn't it? Our squad is bang average but our wage bill isn't. Sure we've been unlucky with injuries but then I don't know how we have finished up with such a physically fragile group of players. And the suspensions are just completely unnecessary, plain crackers in fact. I added as an after thought above - wages aren’t an argument in this. We are paying players who can’t play. If they could it would be more relevant but equally I’m sure we would be getting better results. Our squad and general team play is miles better than when MON arrived. If we hadn’t been unlucky we would probably be 3rd or 4th in the league - to me that would be a hell of an achievement for someone faced with the shambles he walked into. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 27, 2021 17:56:27 GMT
Yeah only 26 games to go Sure, it's not mathematically over, that won't happen until April. Make your mind up |
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 27, 2021 17:57:08 GMT
Fox is absolute dog shite
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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2021 17:57:51 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times Presumably they trained that way and looked promising - it hasn’t worked well so we move on. It’s the nature of things when you are trying to make a silk purse out of an injury induced sows ear ! |
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Post by houstonsteve on Nov 27, 2021 17:59:26 GMT
But that's the problem isn't it? Our squad is bang average but our wage bill isn't. Sure we've been unlucky with injuries but then I don't know how we have finished up with such a physically fragile group of players. And the suspensions are just completely unnecessary, plain crackers in fact. I added as an after thought above - wages aren’t an argument in this. We are paying players who can’t play. If they could it would be more relevant but equally I’m sure we would be getting better results. Our squad and general team play is miles better than when MON arrived. If we hadn’t been unlucky we would probably be 3rd or 4th in the league - to me that would be a hell of an achievement for someone faced with the shambles he walked into. we are not playing players who cant play. - The prosecution offers Chester to the jury m'lord. - The prosecution rests Only joking mate we are a work in progress for sure......but we are capable of much better than this and its team set up, motivation and tactics. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 27, 2021 18:00:20 GMT
Every team has injuries.
We’re missing Souttar, Powell and Thompson who would start?
Yes they are big players (the first two anyway), but all teams have injuries.
Look at Blackburn, they’ve had Dack missing for ages.
Why we completely capitulate after an injury needs to be looked at.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 27, 2021 18:05:52 GMT
A sobering afternoon really and one that really shows the flaws in our recruitment strategy.
Only player that looked anything like a creative player was Vrancic, the rest, British plodders, complete and utter uninspiring shite.
Not one piece of skill for the whole afternoon, no pace, no power, no desire. Moving Tymon inside was a ridiculous decision and the day I see Morgan Fox play for Stoke again is a day too soon.
We've signed some utter shite ... again.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2021 18:08:50 GMT
Injuries have just proven that O'Neill hasn't built a decent squad and hasn't covered key positions. Lot's brought in but have not improved the squad at all. I don’t think the rebuild is complete though, some of the out of contract players will move on in July and the loanees replaced with younger more permanent transfers. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 27, 2021 18:13:37 GMT
He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times Presumably they trained that way and looked promising - it hasn’t worked well so we move on. It’s the nature of things when you are trying to make a silk purse out of an injury induced sows ear ! If fletcher wasn’t available I’d agree. Also the system doesn’t always work but he won’t change it surely against different teams needs different formations n tactics. Another stubborn manager |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 27, 2021 18:14:26 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times It makes no sense but could be because 3 games in a week is to much for our injury prone Fletcher |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2021 18:17:09 GMT
MON has, and continues to do, a fine job. Why cant people understand that to bring us to the position we are currently in has been tremendously difficult. We have become a decent side (when at full strength) as oppose to a bloody awful one. Be realistic. We're only 5 points off bottom half. Where would we sit in a players wages table? I like MON but he's far from a man at the top of his game! A hell of a lot lower than when we had our over paid bloated squad he’s spent two years trimming that’s for sure…… |
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Post by spoton on Nov 27, 2021 18:17:50 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. What again |
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Post by houstonsteve on Nov 27, 2021 18:17:56 GMT
He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times It makes no sense but could be because 3 games in a week is to much for our injury prone Fletcher I'll preface saying that I really rate Fletch but he has not delivered this season at all. Admittedly the ball sticks up top a bit more when he plays but what is it - 2 goals this season. Ill agree he would have offered more than Brown or Ty today though. The 'senior group' have been a major let down this year except Vrancic. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 27, 2021 18:21:53 GMT
He has done a ok job but you tell me why he paired brown and Campbell today when we went long I don’t think they won a single ball. Mon team selections are strange at times It makes no sense but could be because 3 games in a week is to much for our injury prone Fletcher Agreed but he put the squad together we should have had another decent target man |
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 18:32:15 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. What again Yep, 5th time lucky next season maybe?! This one is once again the proverbial 'gonna', somehow you just know it! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2021 18:34:01 GMT
Yep, 5th time lucky next season! This one is once again the proverbial 'gonna', somehow you just know it! For the moment Rowett and Jones wasted any chance of an instant return to the Premier League this was always going to be a slow, painful rebuild……. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 27, 2021 18:37:35 GMT
We need someone with mobility in the midfield who can drive forward with the ball linking up with the frontmen , at the moment we just seem to have plodders
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