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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2021 18:41:43 GMT
Presumably they trained that way and looked promising - it hasn’t worked well so we move on. It’s the nature of things when you are trying to make a silk purse out of an injury induced sows ear ! If fletcher wasn’t available I’d agree. Also the system doesn’t always work but he won’t change it surely against different teams needs different formations n tactics. Another stubborn manager I don’t take much interest in proceedings at the that level but I bet that’s an accusation made against some of the top guys too - they have their systems and they stick to them.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 27, 2021 18:43:22 GMT
To get promoted you need a team that can manage even with injuries. We cannot, therefore we should not/won't get promoted.
Onto next season and another excuse of injuries...
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2021 18:43:35 GMT
Sure, it's not mathematically over, that won't happen until April. Make your mind up I've made up my mind mate. This season is headed nowhere. If you want mathematical proof of my supposition you'll have to wait a lot longer.
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Post by peterpan1 on Nov 27, 2021 20:39:41 GMT
Every team has injuries. We’re missing Souttar, Powell and Thompson who would start? Yes they are big players (the first two anyway), but all teams have injuries. Look at Blackburn, they’ve had Dack missing for ages. Why we completely capitulate after an injury needs to be looked at. This is so true. We can complain all we like about hard luck with injuries but so could fans at 75% of the clubs in this league. The very worrying aspect is that MON has not been able to get a tune out of the players left at his disposal.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 27, 2021 21:06:47 GMT
Every team has injuries. We’re missing Souttar, Powell and Thompson who would start? Yes they are big players (the first two anyway), but all teams have injuries. Look at Blackburn, they’ve had Dack missing for ages. Why we completely capitulate after an injury needs to be looked at. Not one injury though is it. Take Kane and Son out of Spurs Salah, Mane and Van Dijk out of Liverpool Sometimes players are simply iraplaceable Powell and Soutter are our 2 best players and irraplaceable.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2021 22:57:10 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Agree but question is , will the owners accept no real chance by Xmas as acceptable
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 28, 2021 23:03:58 GMT
We had an unbelievable summer window, far beyond expectations. Its finally put us in contention if all goes well and Ive lived on that hope this year because thats what footballs about. But everything hasnt gone well. Next season, however, with another 2 windows and another season in young/ new players, we should be in with a crack even if things dont go that well.
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Post by Gods on Nov 28, 2021 23:05:04 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Agree but question is , will the owners accept no real chance by Xmas as acceptable We really need to hear from the owners, I get lampooned every time I make this point, but since Sir Peter simply vanished we never hear a single peep out of our owners, which is very strange since they have our destiny in their hands.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2021 23:11:48 GMT
Agree but question is , will the owners accept no real chance by Xmas as acceptable We really need to hear from the owners, I get lampooned every time I make this point, but since Sir Peter simply vanished we never do. Communicator in chief will be the new ceo.remit . Which could be a good thing If you see someone like purslow at villa for example who is effectively the figure head
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Nov 28, 2021 23:56:15 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Agree but question is , will the owners accept no real chance by Xmas as acceptable The owners are oblivious and don’t have enough about them to do anything positive or constructive about anything. As long as Stoke have a manager that keeps us ticking along as a mid table championship team then there isn’t any urgency or desire to change it
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 29, 2021 0:06:38 GMT
Every team has injuries. We’re missing Souttar, Powell and Thompson who would start? Yes they are big players (the first two anyway), but all teams have injuries. Look at Blackburn, they’ve had Dack missing for ages. Why we completely capitulate after an injury needs to be looked at. Not one injury though is it. Take Kane and Son out of Spurs Salah, Mane and Van Dijk out of Liverpool Sometimes players are simply iraplaceable Powell and Soutter are our 2 best players and irraplaceable. Totally agree. We don't have two world beaters for every position, we have a bunch of solid championship players with some maturing to hopefully be above that level. We also *had* four standout players who are the spine for a promotion charge: Collins, Souttar, Powell, Campbell. We've been really unlucky. It's unreasonable to pretend we should have had players of their calibre sitting on the bench to replace them IMO. But now it's MON's job to keep us scrapping despite that.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 29, 2021 13:46:34 GMT
Agree but question is , will the owners accept no real chance by Xmas as acceptable The owners are oblivious and don’t have enough about them to do anything positive or constructive about anything. As long as Stoke have a manager that keeps us ticking along as a mid table championship team then there isn’t any urgency or desire to change it It’s not that they don’t want the very best for Stoke city I’m absolutely sure of that , the questions is more about them recognising the current model is filing and they need some serious people upgrades in and around the boardroom to make the best use of their resources , Villa for example have been been transformed not only by the financial backing but the appointment of Purslow
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 29, 2021 13:50:00 GMT
I'd say give or take that's season over. Regroup in July. Lol, dear oh dear.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 29, 2021 13:55:56 GMT
There are 20 odd teams who have a chance of promotion this year and we're one of them. Apart from the top 2 who are probably going to walk away with the automatic slots, the rest of the division is as inconsistent as us.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 29, 2021 14:23:43 GMT
When all our best players are on the the pitch,we are a decent side,it's the rest who are just not good enough, when our best players are out injured.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Nov 29, 2021 14:55:16 GMT
Shearers column in the Sun was interesting I’m told Referred to a Championship club which had no debt and owned its own ground is looking for a buyer at £100 million. No name mentioned but there can’t be too many who are in that position Might explain why the chief executive has found another job. On the other hand could be putting two and two together and making 100
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Post by Royal Donut on Nov 29, 2021 15:21:18 GMT
Every team has injuries. We’re missing Souttar, Powell and Thompson who would start? Yes they are big players (the first two anyway), but all teams have injuries. Look at Blackburn, they’ve had Dack missing for ages. Why we completely capitulate after an injury needs to be looked at. Not one injury though is it. Take Kane and Son out of Spurs Salah, Mane and Van Dijk out of Liverpool Sometimes players are simply iraplaceable Powell and Soutter are our 2 best players and irraplaceable. Please don't make any sense, it doesn't go well with this board.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 29, 2021 15:38:13 GMT
Shearers column in the Sun was interesting I’m told Referred to a Championship club which had no debt and owned its own ground is looking for a buyer at £100 million. No name mentioned but there can’t be too many who are in that position Might explain why the chief executive has found another job. On the other hand could be putting two and two together and making 100 We have 150 million in debt so it cant be us. Unless they are willing to wipe it out for 100 mill in cash and losing 50 mill. Our owners are just constrained by FFP and unable to put more money into it. Any potential NEW owner would have their hands tied in the same way. Unless we get to the Prem League we will never be an interesting purchase for some foreign billionaire. FFP has made sure of the status quo outside of the Prem.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 29, 2021 15:48:28 GMT
Not one injury though is it. Take Kane and Son out of Spurs Salah, Mane and Van Dijk out of Liverpool Sometimes players are simply iraplaceable Powell and Soutter are our 2 best players and irraplaceable. Please don't make any sense, it doesn't go well with this board. I look on MON as a safe pair of hands. We will not get any better. We’ve gone down the route of the younger managers with growing reputations and look where that got us. I think people need to set the bar lower and look where we were when MON took over. We were an absolute shambles. Adrift at the bottom with an expensive bunch of misfits who were taking us down. Since arriving he’s kept us up, Stableised us and made slow progression whilst shedding a huge amount of dead wood. He has made decisions that I don’t agree on (Chester) but when you look at the overal picture and the terrible luck with injuries (losing our best 2 players) he’s done an excellent job. I don’t understand where people expect us to be with our current budget. We’re hamstrung by FFP and some woeful decisions made my the 2 previous managers when we really did have the opportunity to bounce back.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 1, 2021 18:11:42 GMT
Shearers column in the Sun was interesting I’m told Referred to a Championship club which had no debt and owned its own ground is looking for a buyer at £100 million. No name mentioned but there can’t be too many who are in that position Might explain why the chief executive has found another job. On the other hand could be putting two and two together and making 100 We have 150 million in debt so it cant be us. Unless they are willing to wipe it out for 100 mill in cash and losing 50 mill. Our owners are just constrained by FFP and unable to put more money into it. Any potential NEW owner would have their hands tied in the same way. Unless we get to the Prem League we will never be an interesting purchase for some foreign billionaire. FFP has made sure of the status quo outside of the Prem. I find it crazy if you have the money ( billions ) you can’t invest in your own business, no loans etc but hard cash , if the same applied to Macdonalds, Costa , Starbucks , Amazon etc etc , all FFP is to keep the premier league a closed shop
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