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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 20, 2021 22:59:16 GMT
But this isn't about the result, Joe Allen £55k a week and was shite, Romaine Sawyers probably earning £30k+ a week both supposedly top class players but today they were fucking garbage, we won in spite of these 2 not because of any contribution they were on the pitch to make, Sawyers was effortless but in the worse possible meaning of the word and Joe Allen was just shit. Gouranga.  Moan moan moan. You upset because we won and ruined your Saturday. Very sad He’s not moaning about the result but how shit 2 players have played |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Nov 20, 2021 23:06:06 GMT
Well, I strayed onto here to cheer me up after a shitty week, to enjoy the reaction to another useful Stoke City win. Wish I hadn't fucking bothered. There's some properly miserable bastards on this message board, who like nothing more than bathing in negativity. Life is way too short for this.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 20, 2021 23:08:42 GMT
It's a mystery how we've kept 3 consecutive clean sheets with these non tackling midfield players who don't do any of the 'dirty work'. We clearly desperately need a right hard dirty bastard in that midfield......don't we?? We haven’t. We’ve had Thomson in for the previous two games and were playing a shit side at home today. Look above your head you do not get irony. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 20, 2021 23:09:40 GMT
It's a mystery how we've kept 3 consecutive clean sheets with these non tackling midfield players who don't do any of the 'dirty work'. We clearly desperately need a right hard dirty bastard in that midfield......don't we?? We haven’t. We’ve had Thomson in for the previous two games and were playing a shit side at home today. You thought they were shit today then Rob🤔 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2021 23:10:37 GMT
We haven’t. We’ve had Thomson in for the previous two games and were playing a shit side at home today. Look above your head you do not get irony. I thought I did but I am a bottle of wine deep so I may well have missed it. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 20, 2021 23:22:41 GMT
Look above your head you do not get irony. I thought I did but I am a bottle of wine deep so I may well have missed it. Celebrating a great win presumably  |
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 20, 2021 23:32:57 GMT
Moan moan moan. You upset because we won and ruined your Saturday. Very sad He’s not moaning about the result but how shit 2 players have played The usual…. How boring and predictable. Some must wish we lose every week to justify their moaning. How boring they are. Yawn |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2021 23:35:48 GMT
It's a mystery how we've kept 3 consecutive clean sheets with these non tackling midfield players who don't do any of the 'dirty work'. We clearly desperately need a right hard dirty bastard in that midfield......don't we?? We haven’t. We’ve had Thomson in for the previous two games and were playing a shit side at home today. Thompson was also in midfield when we conceded 3 against an even shitter Cardiff team. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2021 23:43:18 GMT
We haven’t. We’ve had Thomson in for the previous two games and were playing a shit side at home today. Thompson was also in midfield when we conceded 3 against an even shitter Cardiff team. Yep. He’s not a chastity belt, we don’t have a perfect solution. The best we’ve got among the personnel are him and Allen sharing the load with someone more creative in front of them. |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2021 23:50:58 GMT
Thompson was also in midfield when we conceded 3 against an even shitter Cardiff team. Yep. He’s not a chastity belt, we don’t have a perfect solution. The best we’ve got among the personnel are him and Allen sharing the load with someone more creative in front of them. I'd rather have both Vrancic and Sawyers starting and one of Thompson and Allen. More worrying for me is the total disappearance of Tymon. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2021 23:54:30 GMT
Yep. He’s not a chastity belt, we don’t have a perfect solution. The best we’ve got among the personnel are him and Allen sharing the load with someone more creative in front of them. I'd rather have both Vrancic and Sawyers starting and one of Thompson and Allen. More worrying for me is the total disappearance of Tymon. You can’t play Sawyers in that deeper role because both players playing deeper need to have some kind of capability off the ball. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 21, 2021 6:42:04 GMT
is there any news on how long Thompson’s out for? We certainly need him at the mo to give us more balance.
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Post by george2again on Nov 21, 2021 7:14:22 GMT
Wow what can I say, Sawyers was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile and Allen was slightly behind him. Sawyers tried a few flicks and first time balls most never came off but without the ball he just stood there like a fucking traffic cone, didn't close down, didn't tackle, didn't press, no urgency just nothing he was worse than crap, Allen when he got the ball mostly seemed to give it to an opposition player, never protected the back 3 but ran about a bit more than traffic cone Sawyers. What a shambles these 2 looked. I thought they were that bad I was shouting for MON to sub them both and replace them with Ince and Wilmot. Neither could have made a worse job of it. Vrancic was like a Rolls Royce in a banger race and without him it could have been a circus. Very naive post I think. That formation with that midfield 3 sets them up to show their frailties. I would be lookin at MON after that performance myself. It was an awful performance bar the result. MON is consistently getting the midfield wrong and hasn’t worked out what works best as yet. Gouranga. |
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Post by eddy on Nov 21, 2021 7:44:27 GMT
I’ve been a longtime defender of Thompson and if I were the manager he would start every game. For me, our midfield three has to be Thompson + Powell + 1 other, with the third man depending on the game. If we are coming up against a side we should dominate, the third should be Vrancic, and if it’s a game where we need to be more cautious it should be Allen. Thompson/Etebo/Powell would be lovely but I dunna think we will ever see Peter again in red and white.
I do wish we still had a prime Whelo though
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 21, 2021 8:45:55 GMT
Yep. He’s not a chastity belt, we don’t have a perfect solution. The best we’ve got among the personnel are him and Allen sharing the load with someone more creative in front of them. I'd rather have both Vrancic and Sawyers starting and one of Thompson and Allen. More worrying for me is the total disappearance of Tymon. He’s been played to much. Needed a rest weeks ago |
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Post by werrington on Nov 21, 2021 8:53:59 GMT
I known we won but completely agree with the OP. Sawyers drifts through games. Doesn’t close down, doesn’t put a foot in. Watch him for a few minutes next match and you’ll see when we don’t have the ball he does none of the dirty work a midfielder should. We don’t control and dominate games enough to carry players in midfield. The fact that we won doesn’t change the fact that the midfield 3 today isn’t balanced and if I was MON I’d be looking for a Whelan type player in January. Sawyers isn’t that type of player ….he’s a player whose passing has won us multiple points this season If it’s a midfield enforcer we need then that’s what we need but that’s not a stick to beat the excellent purchase of Sawyers with as he’s not that player and he’s doing what he was brought in to do |
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Post by Ron on Nov 21, 2021 9:06:35 GMT
Sawyers was an utter embarrassment today. Holden (I think) lost his shit 2nd half with him.
We got away with that today a Peterborough, for all their tidy play and possession, we’re shocking in final 3rd.
He ambled around disinterested and was bone idle.
One of the single worst individual performances from a Stoke player I have seen in some time. He really was atrocious
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 21, 2021 12:33:19 GMT
But this isn't about the result, Joe Allen £55k a week and was shite, Romaine Sawyers probably earning £30k+ a week both supposedly top class players but today they were fucking garbage, we won in spite of these 2 not because of any contribution they were on the pitch to make, Sawyers was effortless but in the worse possible meaning of the word and Joe Allen was just shit. Gouranga. Who would you have replaced them with today? I've already posted that I was hoping MON would have subbed them both for Wilmot and Ince, now that's how bad I thought they were. Gouranga. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 21, 2021 12:34:39 GMT
But this isn't about the result, Joe Allen £55k a week and was shite, Romaine Sawyers probably earning £30k+ a week both supposedly top class players but today they were fucking garbage, we won in spite of these 2 not because of any contribution they were on the pitch to make, Sawyers was effortless but in the worse possible meaning of the word and Joe Allen was just shit. Gouranga. Moan moan moan. You upset because we won and ruined your Saturday. Very sad You're not very bright are you - bless. Gouranga. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 12:39:37 GMT
Well, I strayed onto here to cheer me up after a shitty week, to enjoy the reaction to another useful Stoke City win. Wish I hadn't fucking bothered. There's some properly miserable bastards on this message board, who like nothing more than bathing in negativity. Life is way too short for this. 5 or 6 usual suspects On here don't represent the thousands to be fair. Don't worry about them. They'd moan no matter what. Wasn't great but the only thing that matters in this league is points. Our best performance this season for me ended up a 1-1 draw. 'That midfield' produced a goal and an assist . Not too shabby for a bad day at the office |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 12:58:06 GMT
With half an hour left I really thought our midfield was overran, and I was sure MON would replace Sawyers or Vrancic with Wilmot to make us more competitive and stronger defensively. Why he didn't is still a mystery to me! I know Vrancic assisted our second, but we really needed more steel in midfield, no doubt about that!  Ben wilmot has an interesting CV ...he played midfield for Stevenage academy before , breaking into the first team at centre half . Then played for Watford as CDM , then played for Udinese as CDM . Then signed for stoke as a centre half ( back 3 ) . If the opposition are just running straight through our midfield (minus Thompson ) , then surely worth a shout . |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2021 13:05:04 GMT
With half an hour left I really thought our midfield was overran, and I was sure MON would replace Sawyers or Vrancic with Wilmot to make us more competitive and stronger defensively. Why he didn't is still a mystery to me! I know Vrancic assisted our second, but we really needed more steel in midfield, no doubt about that! Ben wilmot has an interesting CV ...he played midfield for Stevenage academy before , breaking into the first team at centre half . Then played for Watford as CDM , then played for Udinese as CDM . Then signed for stoke as a centre half ( back 3 ) . If the opposition are just running straight through our midfield (minus Thompson ) , then surely worth a shout . I thought yesterday was the ideal time to give it a go tbh. We didn’t have a midfield from the 4th to 96th minute of the game and that’s where a change was needed. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 21, 2021 13:14:18 GMT
With half an hour left I really thought our midfield was overran, and I was sure MON would replace Sawyers or Vrancic with Wilmot to make us more competitive and stronger defensively. Why he didn't is still a mystery to me! I know Vrancic assisted our second, but we really needed more steel in midfield, no doubt about that! Ben wilmot has an interesting CV ...he played midfield for Stevenage academy before , breaking into the first team at centre half . Then played for Watford as CDM , then played for Udinese as CDM . Then signed for stoke as a centre half ( back 3 ) . If the opposition are just running straight through our midfield (minus Thompson ) , then surely worth a shout . He barely played as a CDM. He was predominantly a defender for Stevenage and Watford and barge featured for Udinese. Let’s not pretend he’s this career DM who we’ve erroneously shoehorned into central defence. |
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Post by independent on Nov 21, 2021 13:24:55 GMT
I agree, but we have another game in a few days and will need him for that. With Surridge and possibly Tymon missing (as well as Bursik.Souttar and Powell), I just hope Thompson will be back and we can steer clear of any more injuries for at least a few weeks.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 21, 2021 13:36:31 GMT
You're wasting your time mate,we win 3 games on the trot and all some so called fans can do is moan their bag off🙄Me personally i thought they(Peterborough) played well without a goal threat,this league is a grind and if we’re to be involved in the play off shake up we’ll have to grind out some results some weeks. Its just discussing the game, not one person on here will be unhappy we won. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 21, 2021 13:42:21 GMT
You're wasting your time mate,we win 3 games on the trot and all some so called fans can do is moan their bag off🙄Me personally i thought they(Peterborough) played well without a goal threat,this league is a grind and if we’re to be involved in the play off shake up we’ll have to grind out some results some weeks. Its just discussing the game, not one person on here will be unhappy we won. Discussing the game my arse🙄There’s quite a few posters that have totally disappeared since we’ve won 3 games🤔I wonder why? Some supporters just want to moan for the sake of it |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 21, 2021 14:01:34 GMT
I have not seen anything to suggest that the Stoke coaching team see Wilmot as a midfield option and people on here who suggest it are only speculating. I doubt if Vranic has played a full 90 minutes before yesterday and yet with midfield being overrun in the second half yesterday and it seeming the ideal opportunity to try Wilmot in that role he was never considered. In hind sight what a great decision that was. I doubt if anyone else in the Stoke team would have had the vision to make that tackle and at the same time direct the ball to Tyrese. I get fed up of reading on here that Vranic is too weak. His tackling and mixing it with the opposition has been a revelation. Definitely a player who is judged by his physique rather than how he plays.
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Post by sd22 on Nov 21, 2021 14:05:10 GMT
I said if we have 60-70% of the ball, that’s a cracking midfield.
If not, and playing against a battling team like yesterday, we’ll struggle, as was evident at times yesterday. 2-0, I’ll take it and move on thank you very much!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 15:16:05 GMT
Ben wilmot has an interesting CV ...he played midfield for Stevenage academy before , breaking into the first team at centre half . Then played for Watford as CDM , then played for Udinese as CDM . Then signed for stoke as a centre half ( back 3 ) . If the opposition are just running straight through our midfield (minus Thompson ) , then surely worth a shout . He barely played as a CDM. He was predominantly a defender for Stevenage and Watford and barge featured for Udinese. Let’s not pretend he’s this career DM who we’ve erroneously shoehorned into central defence. He is definitely no Kante , agreed and I like him at a centre half, but according to Wikipedia he played 27 games for Watford and 5 for Udinese , sometimes deployed as a holding midfielder en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_WilmotWith Thompson out of contention , who would you you like to see slot in to a CDM role , if we are being over run ? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 21, 2021 15:18:32 GMT
He barely played as a CDM. He was predominantly a defender for Stevenage and Watford and barge featured for Udinese. Let’s not pretend he’s this career DM who we’ve erroneously shoehorned into central defence. He is definitely no Kante , agreed and I like him at a centre half, but according to Wikipedia he played 27 games for Watford and 5 for Udinese mainly as a holding midfielder en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_WilmotWith Thompson out of contention , who would you you like to see slot in to a CDM role , if we are being over run ? Where does it say he played mainly as a holding midfielder sorry? |
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