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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:28:09 GMT
So would I....I'm perhaps trying to draw attention to the fact that some people think that the numbers are miniscule....... but if ' constant' when does that become a " large , unmanageable amount for our already burdened infrastructure.......the same people who don't see the ' trickle' as a problem, seem also to criticise the UNDERFUNDED NHS, Education system, Housing provision etc and lesser so, the Police Force , ........ I've no idea what the answer is, genuine refugees should have our sympathy and help....but we should not add to our increasing problems as a country. A bit simplistic and obviously not easy but the challenge has got to be to try to help to create a peaceful Middle East in particular..... perhaps the Arab nations should ( somehow) take s lead in this......and I am aware of the pressure they are under/ the amount of ' refugees' they have taken ( including Turkey)....but some of the Arab states are wealthy. My thought is that if 1 in 1000 of those hitting the shores is of the same mindset as the character in Liverpool which i don’t think is unreasonable that’s 23 potential incidents of the same nature to contend with. Things need to change and those coming in need to be identified and there backgrounds checked otherwise this sort of incident will become a weekly event and become the norm which should never happen What about if for every 1 in 1000 with the mindset of the character in Liverpool you get at least 1 in 1000 like the 20 year old son of Somali immigrants who was tragically killed the other day? Always strange how the Daily Mail fail to mention the heritage of a person when it suits, I guess it helps perpetuate the myth.........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:29:54 GMT
You can't even answer a simple question after making more crap up soppy bollocks........... Now now I have to be careful with you as you will go crying to admin again 😩 I've never gone to admin ever, you're making shit up yet again.......
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Post by yeswilko on Nov 16, 2021 18:59:35 GMT
I see the perpetrator has been labelled with the old “suffering from mental health issues” bollocks. Just an evil bastard in my book. Strange how this mysterious 'mental illness' never manifests itself into talking to pigeons or 'controlling the traffic' isn't it? I wonder if there will be any more outbreaks of this mystery mania at any Xmas Markets in Europe these holidays? I hope not... Do you have any evidence to back this up?
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Post by thevoid on Nov 16, 2021 19:13:11 GMT
Strange how this mysterious 'mental illness' never manifests itself into talking to pigeons or 'controlling the traffic' isn't it? I wonder if there will be any more outbreaks of this mystery mania at any Xmas Markets in Europe these holidays? I hope not... Do you have any evidence to back this up? Evidence to back what up?
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Post by yeswilko on Nov 16, 2021 19:38:27 GMT
Do you have any evidence to back this up? Evidence to back what up? Well just to clarify.. are you saying that asylum seekers when they suffer mental health issues always try to murder people?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 16, 2021 19:40:09 GMT
Evidence to back what up? Well just to clarify.. are you saying that asylum seekers when they suffer mental health issues always try to murder people? Pretty sure he isn’t. But when these stories emerge there’s always a mental health aspect to it. It’s bollocks
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Post by yeswilko on Nov 16, 2021 19:47:22 GMT
Well just to clarify.. are you saying that asylum seekers when they suffer mental health issues always try to murder people? Pretty sure he isn’t. But when these stories emerge there’s always a mental health aspect to it. It’s bollocks I'm really not sure why that's bollocks. A mentally unstable individual can easily get groomed into some evil shit online in todays world.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 20:37:08 GMT
My thought is that if 1 in 1000 of those hitting the shores is of the same mindset as the character in Liverpool which i don’t think is unreasonable that’s 23 potential incidents of the same nature to contend with. Things need to change and those coming in need to be identified and there backgrounds checked otherwise this sort of incident will become a weekly event and become the norm which should never happen What about if for every 1 in 1000 with the mindset of the character in Liverpool you get at least 1 in 1000 like the 20 year old son of Somali immigrants who was tragically killed the other day? Always strange how the Daily Mail fail to mention the heritage of a person when it suits, I guess it helps perpetuate the myth......... Couldn’t agree more but this is a live investigation which may be why they haven’t given the details of the suspect Norris Henry or much information about his lifestyle. He hasn’t had his trial yet so that may be the reason why the details aren’t so public. That said the young man from Brentford is as big a hero as the taxi driver in Liverpool. Sadly he paid the ultimate price. The 2 incidents are very different though. Both are equally horrific but terrorism is something that can potentially lead to mass casualties and thankfully isn’t still to common and doesn’t happen every day whereas stabbings are almost becoming the norm as they’re so common particularly in cities.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 16, 2021 20:44:44 GMT
Evidence to back what up? Well just to clarify.. are you saying that asylum seekers when they suffer mental health issues always try to murder people? Err no mate. Stop being silly.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 20:59:42 GMT
Well just to clarify.. are you saying that asylum seekers when they suffer mental health issues always try to murder people? Err no mate. Stop being silly. I think that anyone who knowingly blows up themselves and kills multiple innocent people at the very least has to be classed as unstable at best. For any normal rational person to carry out such an act beggars belief. The mystery is how can they go about there lives without these signs being identified. If they come in to the UK without there issues being identified then we have a huge issue on our hands particularly if extremists get to them first.
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Post by yeswilko on Nov 16, 2021 21:08:56 GMT
Err no mate. Stop being silly. I think that anyone who knowingly blows up themselves and kills multiple innocent people at the very least has to be classed as unstable at best. For any normal rational person to carry out such an act beggars belief. The mystery is how can they go about there lives without these signs being identified. If they come in to the UK without there issues being identified then we have a huge issue on our hands particularly if extremists get to them first. I think it's a legitimate concern that some people who have lived through actual war might be fairly messed up. It is a difficult situation for sure. Most will be happy that they're safe and it's very positive.
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Post by sticky on Nov 16, 2021 21:19:02 GMT
Very worrying, but what can be done to stop it? I mean realistically.. The security services must be at bursting point as it is I’ve just watched live on good morning Britain three guys in a dingy 17 miles from dover paddling away , good job the channel is calm , they must be mad to risk their lives I’ve never really understood why risk coming over to England when you’re already in France... How some folk on here go on, England’s full of thick/racist/far right neanderthals, and due to brexit we’re all fucked..surely France would be the better option😂? It’s only right we take our share of immigrants, and our foreign policy over the years have been shameful, but surely it’s got to be done properly and help those that need it. Do we actually know who these people are coming in on dinghys? Are we even allowed to ask without been made out to be hitlers grandson.. it’s a topic that’s not going away that’s for sure
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 21:58:06 GMT
I think that anyone who knowingly blows up themselves and kills multiple innocent people at the very least has to be classed as unstable at best. For any normal rational person to carry out such an act beggars belief. The mystery is how can they go about there lives without these signs being identified. If they come in to the UK without there issues being identified then we have a huge issue on our hands particularly if extremists get to them first. I think it's a legitimate concern that some people who have lived through actual war might be fairly messed up. It is a difficult situation for sure. Most will be happy that they're safe and it's very positive. I guess ultimately it comes down to whether we’re allowed to let things carry on the way they are and be prepared to support those asylum seekers that genuinely deserve help (of which there are many) but at the same time allow a small minority slip through the net that are involved in terrorism and are happy to murder and take the lives of U.K. citizens. It’s impossible to allow in just asylum seekers that are not linked to terrorism without having a proper system where every applicant has a full background check. Failing this ideal solution there’s 2 options we take Let all asylum seekers in and support many decent deserving immigrants but lose British citizens through acts of terrorism Allow in no one and don’t support lots of deserving cases but greatly reduce acts of terrorism and save British citizens lives
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 16, 2021 22:32:54 GMT
I think it's a legitimate concern that some people who have lived through actual war might be fairly messed up. It is a difficult situation for sure. Most will be happy that they're safe and it's very positive. I guess ultimately it comes down to whether we’re allowed to let things carry on the way they are and be prepared to support those asylum seekers that genuinely deserve help (of which there are many) but at the same time allow a small minority slip through the net that are involved in terrorism and are happy to murder and take the lives of U.K. citizens. It’s impossible to allow in just asylum seekers that are not linked to terrorism without having a proper system where every applicant has a full background check. Failing this ideal solution there’s 2 options we take Let all asylum seekers in and support many decent deserving immigrants but lose British citizens through acts of terrorism Allow in no one and don’t support lots of deserving cases but greatly reduce acts of terrorism and save British citizens lives If those were the only choices it’s option two for me. The state’s first duty is to protects its own citizens. In the meantime invest in staging facilities away from the UK where full and proper diligent checks can be conducted on those destined for the UK.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 23:24:19 GMT
I guess ultimately it comes down to whether we’re allowed to let things carry on the way they are and be prepared to support those asylum seekers that genuinely deserve help (of which there are many) but at the same time allow a small minority slip through the net that are involved in terrorism and are happy to murder and take the lives of U.K. citizens. It’s impossible to allow in just asylum seekers that are not linked to terrorism without having a proper system where every applicant has a full background check. Failing this ideal solution there’s 2 options we take Let all asylum seekers in and support many decent deserving immigrants but lose British citizens through acts of terrorism Allow in no one and don’t support lots of deserving cases but greatly reduce acts of terrorism and save British citizens lives If those were the only choices it’s option two for me. The state’s first duty is to protects its own citizens. In the meantime invest in staging facilities away from the UK where full and proper diligent checks can be conducted on those destined for the UK. me too though it’s not ideal. We have to support asylum seekers of course we do but not at the risk of our own people and if helping others puts our own people at risk of losing there own lives then it’s simply not worth it. people coming in on boats need to be monitored because if they’re not clearly the risks are huge to national security. Our own security services are already stretched to the limit monitoring U.K. born terror suspects without stretching them even further. Somethings got to give. I think until you’re touched personally by terrorism then it’s easy to condemn a stricter policy.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 17, 2021 7:13:16 GMT
I think that anyone who knowingly blows up themselves and kills multiple innocent people at the very least has to be classed as unstable at best. For any normal rational person to carry out such an act beggars belief. The mystery is how can they go about there lives without these signs being identified. If they come in to the UK without there issues being identified then we have a huge issue on our hands particularly if extremists get to them first. I think it's a legitimate concern that some people who have lived through actual war might be fairly messed up. It is a difficult situation for sure. Most will be happy that they're safe and it's very positive. You would think that for anyone suffering from trauma/PTSD (or to give it it's old name, shell shock) through living in a warzone, seeing bombs and innocent people being killed, that the last thing they'd want to see again is more bombs and innocent people being killed. Especially in a country that has given them sanctuary....
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 17, 2021 8:03:16 GMT
The same issues facing you guys in the UK are Europe, if not World wide at the moment...... we've been struggling with this very issue for months now. This link from October: www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/10/ter-apel-councillors-call-for-action-as-refugee-centre-overflows/Holland is - per kkm2, the most densly populated country in EUrope. Couple that with the massive housing shortage, things are not at all rosy over here. Somethings got to give..... Hopefully theyll ship them all back to Germany, France and Belgium....let them deal with it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 17, 2021 8:10:54 GMT
I think it's a legitimate concern that some people who have lived through actual war might be fairly messed up. It is a difficult situation for sure. Most will be happy that they're safe and it's very positive. You would think that for anyone suffering from trauma/PTSD (or to give it it's old name, shell shock) through living in a warzone, seeing bombs and innocent people being killed, that the last thing they'd want to see again is more bombs and innocent people being killed. Especially in a country that has given them sanctuary.... It certainly makes no sense but a lot of life at the moment doesn’t and those coming over certainly don’t see the world in the same way we do. I have met a good few asylum seekers over the years and the vast majority come across really well (if you keep off religion and politics) with genuine dreams for the future but the majority aren’t westernised culturally and often they will clash even with each other over politics and religion. But they do it in a very different and more violent way than to we do. Some that I’ve met have huge demons that need exorcising due to the experiences that they have lived and things that they have seen, like their families and friends being murdered in front of them. Without doubt they are unpredictable and their survival instinct is very different and at a higher level than ours unlike there value of life which is one of the biggest problems and why they need nurturing from an early age before it’s too late which is probably what the Christian family tried to do in the case of thr Liverpool terrorist. Clearly it didn’t work and the damage had already been done and it was too late. On their journey there will be people influencing them in a negative way that are more than willing to exploit them especially if they know more about them than we do because they’ve flown in under the radar and been bought in illegally. These “influencers” are the biggest problem of them all. For me the best case scenario is the country that they’re born needs to be the right place for them to live however as has been shown recently in Afghanistan that’s incredibly difficult to maintain. Something needs to change because however sad the asylum seekers story is people born in the U.K. shouldn’t be paying the price with their llves and it may sound callous but we need to protect our own first and give ourselves the opportunity to play catch-up first by managing the terrorists already in the U.K. before potentially allowing even more in to the country without even knowing anything about them and raising the threat even higher and making things even more unmanageable for security services.
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Post by felonious on Nov 17, 2021 8:43:24 GMT
Well he lost his asylum case back in 2014 and even a conversion to Chistianity and a "real passion for Jesus Christ" couldn't stop him from trying to blow up a women's hospital or a Remembrance Day parade. The real question is why was he still here? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59308947
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2021 8:58:12 GMT
Well he lost his asylum case back in 2014 and even a conversion to Chistianity and a "real passion for Jesus Christ" couldn't stop him from trying to blow up a women's hospital or a Remembrance Day parade. The real question is why was he still here? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59308947Despite what Mr Hitchcott says, apparently it is now fairly common practice for the asylum seekers to " convert" to Christianity as they believe this will help their case. It is one thing always seeing the good in people , but it is also sensible to be sceptical/ cautious.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 15:12:04 GMT
Seems like more reliable information now emerging of what transpired… Liverpool hospital bombing: ‘Someone’s blown me up,’ taxi driver told security guardI’m not reading anything here about locked doors and heroism on behalf of the taxi driver (which isn’t any criticism of him). What is emerging is an act of heroism from a couple of passers by who put themselves at risk trying to help the person trapped in the car - they had no idea he was. And a security guard who provided help for the taxi driver. Maybe I’m missing something though. It wouldn’t be the first time.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 18, 2021 15:51:32 GMT
Seems like more reliable information now emerging of what transpired… Liverpool hospital bombing: ‘Someone’s blown me up,’ taxi driver told security guardI’m not reading anything here about locked doors and heroism on behalf of the taxi driver (which isn’t any criticism of him). What is emerging is an act of heroism from a couple of passers by who put themselves at risk trying to help the person trapped in the car - they had no idea he was. And a security guard who provided help for the taxi driver. Maybe I’m missing something though. It wouldn’t be the first time. I think the door would have locked automatically. They usually do in black cabs.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 15:52:22 GMT
Seems like more reliable information now emerging of what transpired… Liverpool hospital bombing: ‘Someone’s blown me up,’ taxi driver told security guardI’m not reading anything here about locked doors and heroism on behalf of the taxi driver (which isn’t any criticism of him). What is emerging is an act of heroism from a couple of passers by who put themselves at risk trying to help the person trapped in the car - they had no idea he was. And a security guard who provided help for the taxi driver. Maybe I’m missing something though. It wouldn’t be the first time. I think the door would have locked automatically. They usually do in black cabs. I had the same thought too.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 18, 2021 15:56:56 GMT
I think the door would have locked automatically. They usually do in black cabs. I had the same thought too. And how do they unlock?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 16:06:16 GMT
I had the same thought too. And how do they unlock? Errr. The driver unlocks them.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 18, 2021 16:13:30 GMT
Errr. The driver unlocks them. Which he presumably didn't do because he had noticed something iffy, which in turn lead to the terrorist only blowing himself up in the back of a taxi, rather than running into the hospital & blowing up God knows how many people.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 16:21:56 GMT
Errr. The driver unlocks them. Which he presumably didn't do because he had noticed something iffy, which in turn lead to the terrorist only blowing himself up in the back of a taxi, rather than running into the hospital & blowing up God knows how many people. Oh. So the heroism is now not unlocking the doors whereas previously it was locking them. Got you. When you read the accounts of what happened, it looks like the bomb went off accidentally and the taxi driver got very lucky in managing to escape from the car. And good for him. Nothing more.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 18, 2021 16:27:55 GMT
Which he presumably didn't do because he had noticed something iffy, which in turn lead to the terrorist only blowing himself up in the back of a taxi, rather than running into the hospital & blowing up God knows how many people. Oh. So the heroism is now not unlocking the doors whereas previously it was locking them. Got you. When you read the accounts of what happened, it looks like the bomb went off accidentally and the taxi driver got very lucky in managing to escape from the car. And good for him. Nothing more. Has a taxi driver over-charged you recently or something? This is such a weird hill to die on.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 16:35:13 GMT
Oh. So the heroism is now not unlocking the doors whereas previously it was locking them. Got you. When you read the accounts of what happened, it looks like the bomb went off accidentally and the taxi driver got very lucky in managing to escape from the car. And good for him. Nothing more. Has a taxi driver over-charged you recently or something? This is such a weird hill to die on. No. But I agree. It’s no big deal. I just have a thing about exaggerated, incorrect media reporting that folk jump onto.
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Post by franklin on Nov 18, 2021 16:48:10 GMT
Has a taxi driver over-charged you recently or something? This is such a weird hill to die on. No. But I agree. It’s no big deal. I just have a thing about exaggerated, incorrect media reporting that folk jump onto. To be fair I'm not sure anyone jumped on anything even in my posts I said that the facts needed to be confirmed. In a world of shit sometimes a decent human being should be celebrated rather than forensically dissected to undermine his actions. Whatever the story whatever the driver did he prevailed and a scumbag terrorist failed.
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