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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 9, 2021 16:50:01 GMT
I don't see what he could've done with Nzonzi really, we didn't hold any of the cards there. He definitely went overboard with the five year contracts, which I think was a direct response to that. I'd argue it was a timing issue with N'Zonzi and as contracts run down with good players your start to lose the power. I'm not suggesting that the club did a Wayne Thomas but I still fell that better planning and negotiating could have resulted in a better solution, although I admit it is only speculation. What solutions were available though? As far as I could see the only ones were: 1) Tie him to a new contact - never going to happen 2) Sell him earlier, which we could've done but quite possibly at the expense of a very enjoyable season. Even then I don't recall there being much interest in him before the summer he left. 3) Take the hit and keep him for another season, but then you've got a seriously unhappy player in your dressing room and you're faced with the same issue of replacing him 12 months later only without even that modest profit on him.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Nov 9, 2021 16:50:42 GMT
We need someone to widen the entrance to the bogs in block 24 and to make the concourse bigger. After that its a free for all 😉😊 I'll bring my sledgehammer next match
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Post by Do it for dobing on Nov 9, 2021 16:52:54 GMT
Strange decision from his perspective, he has a great salary a chance to return to the premiership with Stoke and has great bosses to work for.
Seems an odd one
Perhaps he hasn't got a good working relationship with MON something gone on behind the scenes
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Post by simple on Nov 9, 2021 16:53:38 GMT
This is the worst news possible 1/2 way though a season.What ever people think of TS the chairman must of been happy with what he did behind the sceans,10 years in the Prem was a major achievement for a club the size of ours,his biggest mistake was allowing managers spend stupid money on some shit players,but the chairman wrote the cheques.
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 9, 2021 16:56:35 GMT
I have slated him in the past, especially with all the pigs ear of a signings we seemed to be making during the death knell of our period in the premier league......
...but, I do have to say I'm going to be wondering if the next CEO comes in, and is either generally worse, or undoes all the good that TS has done, such as freezing ticket prices, free away travel etc..
On the plus side, they might get more than 2 people working behind the bar, serving beer at half time, and a progressive look towards improving the ground on a match day (again, involving alcohol and food).
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 9, 2021 16:59:20 GMT
It is a massive decision coming up for the club. We've done so much behind the scenes in the last 12 months and this could be the final piece in the jigsaw. Wasn't he a director as well?. Maybe room for another director to sit in the board?.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Nov 9, 2021 17:01:58 GMT
We need someone to widen the entrance to the bogs in block 24 and to make the concourse bigger. After that its a free for all 😉😊 I'll bring my sledgehammer next match The stadium is 25years old and a reconstruction of the three sides with the small concourses needs to happen its not a premiership ground
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 9, 2021 17:02:51 GMT
As CEO , there’s been good and bad … obviously managerial appointments, sackings , player recruitment , contracts , retentions and releases and the role and experience if any of the new man / person in those areas will be of immediate concern .. not least as the short term timeline appears to fall in the transfer window..including if we’ll favour last minute or early signings Of concern too is the new persons views , running & budgeting of the academy , which while beginning to produce results appears to have a constant turnover in directors and coaches if the various adverts posted by the club are anything to go by How the new person will manage the clubs budget and just as importantly advise the owners and if they’ll be major changes in that approach awaits to be seen ..will the new man have different areas he wishes to spend or focus the budget , and will he be more or less successful in increasing those budgets ..either via the owners or outside revenue streams Of concern ( interest ) too is the freezing of season ticket prices . , together with the question of free away travel ..both of which as I understand it Scholes was a firm advocate of ..as well as attempting to encourage other clubs to follow those ideas together with reciprocal ticket pricing , will the new person have similar views or convince the owners that they’re wasted revenue opportunities On a personal note Scholes didn’t always seem to understand that some supporters ( often a handful , often just two 🤪 ) saw attending friendlies in the same light as attending competitive games , information while improving under his watch still remained patchy and unclear at times , including even when asked directly to confirm information gleaned from other clubs or sources. Perhaps concerned of another UAE scenario when the club called off an advertised friendly with 2 hours notice to which supporters had travelled to ..in 40+ years of attending friendlies my view has always been let the traveller beware ..I’d far prefer a wasted journey , than being told about a journey too late to travel . .it will no doubt take time to build a relationship with the new person ..which also brings into question the part of the supporters council ..will that improve or melt away .. interesting times ahead I forgot about the UAE game, shambles! Also he has questions to answer on agreeing to pen Stoke fans in when travelling to Split. He knew it was going to happen but fortunate enough for him he didn't have to stay but could enjoy Croatia, maybe he's going to become a Tory Politian.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 9, 2021 17:06:03 GMT
Fantastic news
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 9, 2021 17:08:44 GMT
I'd argue it was a timing issue with N'Zonzi and as contracts run down with good players your start to lose the power. I'm not suggesting that the club did a Wayne Thomas but I still fell that better planning and negotiating could have resulted in a better solution, although I admit it is only speculation. What solutions were available though? As far as I could see the only ones were: 1) Tie him to a new contact - never going to happen 2) Sell him earlier, which we could've done but quite possibly at the expenses of a very enjoyable season. Even then I don't recall their being much interest in him before the summer he left. 3) Take the hit and keep him for another season, but then you've got a seriously unhappy player in your dressing room and you're faced with the same issue of replacing him 12 months later only without even that modest profit on him. I think 2 & 3 are fair. We do know that N'Zonzi had form for throwing his weight around on a contract which would suggest while he was unhappy he could be turned. Do we know that we didn't try to extend his contract the season before? I appreciate the pull of European football but could we have extended his contract and put in a 15m European buyout clause? He would have felt that we weren't going to keep him forever and there was a route out and we weren't holding him hostage to a huge exit clause.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 17:08:56 GMT
I don't care enough to offer an opinion.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2021 17:11:02 GMT
What do the club want? A new structure or simply replace CEO with someone else? Suspect the latter
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 9, 2021 17:12:39 GMT
He is moving to a major job at the Premier League as they adjust to the new reality of trying to manage rich clubs with powerful owners. He will be one of the few senior people in the organisation with experience of working at a club in a leadership role - PL management have told me on numerous occasions how well run Stoke City was hence no surprise they have recruited him, in truth they probably shaped the job to fit his interest. good move for him
We will now be bale to find out what kind of job he did when the new person takes over
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Post by a on Nov 9, 2021 17:13:55 GMT
This is the worst news possible 1/2 way though a season.What ever people think of TS the chairman must of been happy with what he did behind the sceans,10 years in the Prem was a major achievement for a club the size of ours,his biggest mistake was allowing managers spend stupid money on some shit players,but the chairman wrote the cheques. True, but then has been part of our decline in recent years, so rough with the smooth, more rough of late.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 9, 2021 17:14:01 GMT
As Scouse says interesting times ahead. I view Scholes' time here a little like a curates egg, some bad, some good. He certainly wasn't the devil incarnate that many made him out to be. And like a lot in a position of power, some decisions are not always the right ones, but some are. I don't believe when you're 17 years in a position that you don't have the best interests of the job at heart. It will cause some flux this year and it might have been better that he'd seen out this term, and departed in the summer. Still I wish him well, and hopefully the new man coming in, comes in with new ideas and enhance the current ones that his predecessor leaves behind.
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Post by professorplump on Nov 9, 2021 17:14:15 GMT
Unless we are planning to completely change the structure and bring in a Director of Football, I doubt whether this will make much difference. The new person will come in and carry on working in conjunction with the Coates family and no doubt within a few months will be the new hate figure on here.
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Post by Scouse on Nov 9, 2021 17:14:49 GMT
As CEO , there’s been good and bad … obviously managerial appointments, sackings , player recruitment , contracts , retentions and releases and the role and experience if any of the new man / person in those areas will be of immediate concern .. not least as the short term timeline appears to fall in the transfer window..including if we’ll favour last minute or early signings Of concern too is the new persons views , running & budgeting of the academy , which while beginning to produce results appears to have a constant turnover in directors and coaches if the various adverts posted by the club are anything to go by How the new person will manage the clubs budget and just as importantly advise the owners and if they’ll be major changes in that approach awaits to be seen ..will the new man have different areas he wishes to spend or focus the budget , and will he be more or less successful in increasing those budgets ..either via the owners or outside revenue streams Of concern ( interest ) too is the freezing of season ticket prices . , together with the question of free away travel ..both of which as I understand it Scholes was a firm advocate of ..as well as attempting to encourage other clubs to follow those ideas together with reciprocal ticket pricing , will the new person have similar views or convince the owners that they’re wasted revenue opportunities On a personal note Scholes didn’t always seem to understand that some supporters ( often a handful , often just two 🤪 ) saw attending friendlies in the same light as attending competitive games , information while improving under his watch still remained patchy and unclear at times , including even when asked directly to confirm information gleaned from other clubs or sources. Perhaps concerned of another UAE scenario when the club called off an advertised friendly with 2 hours notice to which supporters had travelled to ..in 40+ years of attending friendlies my view has always been let the traveller beware ..I’d far prefer a wasted journey , than being told about a journey too late to travel . .it will no doubt take time to build a relationship with the new person ..which also brings into question the part of the supporters council ..will that improve or melt away .. interesting times ahead I forgot about the UAE game, shambles! Also he has questions to answer on agreeing to pen Stoke fans in when travelling to Split. He knew it was going to happen but fortunate enough for him he didn't have to stay but could enjoy Croatia, maybe he's going to become a Tory Politian. I wasn’t anti Scholes by any means ..indeed more than once I received grief away from here for if not exactly defending or supporting him then at least trying to put the other side , whilst understanding obvious concerns Many things that happened under his control , ID cards being scrapped , ST freezes , free travel .. directly improved the lot of supporters ..whilst making his job harder by reducing or potentially reducing those revenue streams Id be amazed if the new appointment receives firstly the full approval of everyone .. and indeed isn't criticised .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2021 17:15:25 GMT
Whatever one thinks of the job he has done its time for a change 17 years as chief executive inevitably leads to some staleness on both sides its a role that required energy , innovation, and strong leadership all of which wane to a degree over time .
We have a strong foundation and its down to the club now to think through an appointment that builds in the foundation and legacy he leaves and develops it adding new skills and elements without losing baby and bath water
good luck in his new role and over to the club to seize the opportunity any such change offers
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2021 17:17:02 GMT
Whatever one thinks of the job he has done its time for a change 17 years as chief executive inevitably leads to some staleness on both sides its a role that required energy , innovation, and strong leadership all of which wane to a degree over time . We have a strong foundation and its down to the club now to think through an appointment that builds in the foundation and legacy he leaves and develops it adding new skills and elements without losing baby and bath water good luck in his new role and over to the club to seize the opportunity any such change offers Stoke City CEO should be an attractive job Well paid and a safe job
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 9, 2021 17:17:43 GMT
What solutions were available though? As far as I could see the only ones were: 1) Tie him to a new contact - never going to happen 2) Sell him earlier, which we could've done but quite possibly at the expenses of a very enjoyable season. Even then I don't recall their being much interest in him before the summer he left. 3) Take the hit and keep him for another season, but then you've got a seriously unhappy player in your dressing room and you're faced with the same issue of replacing him 12 months later only without even that modest profit on him. I think 2 & 3 are fair. We do know that N'Zonzi had form for throwing his weight around on a contract which would suggest while he was unhappy he could be turned. Do we know that we didn't try to extend his contract the season before? I appreciate the pull of European football but could we have extended his contract and put in a 15m European buyout clause? He would have felt that we weren't going to keep him forever and there was a route out and we weren't holding him hostage to a huge exit clause. He was adamant he wanted to go almost from the moment we signed him, and put in a transfer request at the end of both of his first two seasons - he was never going to sign a new deal.
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Post by Scouse on Nov 9, 2021 17:18:11 GMT
What do the club want? A new structure or simply replace CEO with someone else? Suspect the latter That’s the big question ..an opportunity for new ideas , leadership a change of direction ( slightly or hugely ) advice to the owners ..or simply a replacement CEO and carry on much as the same as before with the direction and values of the club firmly in the hands of the owners
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2021 17:19:49 GMT
Whatever one thinks of the job he has done its time for a change 17 years as chief executive inevitably leads to some staleness on both sides its a role that required energy , innovation, and strong leadership all of which wane to a degree over time . We have a strong foundation and its down to the club now to think through an appointment that builds in the foundation and legacy he leaves and develops it adding new skills and elements without losing baby and bath water good luck in his new role and over to the club to seize the opportunity any such change offers Stoke City CEO should be an attractive job Well paid and a safe job Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
Stoke City CEO should be an attractive job Well paid and a safe job Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job If you had to appoint an Oatcake poster who would you appoint? Malcolm?
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Post by a on Nov 9, 2021 17:26:35 GMT
Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job If you had to appoint an Oatcake poster who would you appoint? Malcolm? Absolutely nobody on here 😂 and that’s not meant as an insult. We have an opportunity to revamp the running of the club, although I think in fairness to TS we look to have started to turn a corner. all joking aside good luck to him but I shan’t be sad to see someone new come in. I just hope that they have the club’s best interests at heart, and that we can kick on with a view to returning to the promised land!
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 9, 2021 17:26:53 GMT
MON has saved his reputation somewhat, I feel like there's less vitriol towards him presently. Look at the replies to the tweet 😂 For every mediocre gif or meme there's a balanced reply. Don't think that would have been the case before MON to be honest. I'll echo the sentiment of others and say I'll hold my breath until we see who's replacing him.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 9, 2021 17:27:21 GMT
You would imagine they must have someone lined up. I imagine Scholes would have given them the heads up fairly early. January is approaching fast and quite a few contracts need sorting.. interesting times..
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Post by Scouse on Nov 9, 2021 17:30:34 GMT
Stoke City CEO should be an attractive job Well paid and a safe job Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job Will also be interesting if we go for an existing CEO with proven ability ..or an up and coming football executive ready for a ( type ) CEO role ..presumably the change has been discussed for sometime at board level ..and approaches already made Or indeed if the club will look for a direct replacement
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 9, 2021 17:30:37 GMT
Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job If you had to appoint an Oatcake poster who would you appoint? Malcolm? Benji! Watford manager would look like a stable job!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 9, 2021 17:32:31 GMT
I think 2 & 3 are fair. We do know that N'Zonzi had form for throwing his weight around on a contract which would suggest while he was unhappy he could be turned. Do we know that we didn't try to extend his contract the season before? I appreciate the pull of European football but could we have extended his contract and put in a 15m European buyout clause? He would have felt that we weren't going to keep him forever and there was a route out and we weren't holding him hostage to a huge exit clause. He was adamant he wanted to go almost from the moment we signed him, and put in a transfer request at the end of both of his first two seasons - he was never going to sign a new deal. Sorry, I thought he signed a new contract after his first transfer request. I completely see your point.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 9, 2021 17:33:05 GMT
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