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Post by klingon on Nov 8, 2021 13:30:14 GMT
Stats don't lie - or do they? From EFL Analysis: eflanalysis.com/analysis/thomas-smith-stoke-city-2021-22-statsSummary - "The wing-back is yet to score a goal in the division, but he has supported the team immensely and has been doing his job efficiently well. At the age of 29, Smith is in the prime of his career, and if Stoke City want to find a way back to the Premier League, his creativity and consistency will play a crucial part in it." |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 8, 2021 13:52:44 GMT
Always been a great asset and never the issue some claimed
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 8, 2021 13:53:57 GMT
His crossing is excellent and he gets up and down the wing really well. I also think his defending is pretty good - he does actually get back to cover the back post most of the time.
The problem is likes of Bayernoatcake etc, expect Stoke to sign the likes of Roberto Carlos and so will always say our players are not good enough.
He has been unlucky not to score this season because a lot of Tymons crosses from the other side are deep and reach him. His shooting is generally on target but he need to put a couple away.
He took a long time settling in but he is now one of the first names on the teamsheet and not surprised he is leading the EFL stats for assists.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 8, 2021 13:59:44 GMT
When fit, his name would be one of the first on my teamsheet. I like the lad and he's doing a good job.
OS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:12:09 GMT
Benefits tremendously from having a mobile central defender offering him an occasional overlap as well as helping to guard that flank. Sawyers has helped to pick him out a number of times with good passes as he moves down the flank.
If he continues with his game:assist ratio and manages to get a 3-4 goals in the campaign as well he’ll be a main reason why (if) we finish in the playoffs.
His sliding block recently (Blackpool?) shows that he’s not the incompetent full back he gets made out to be. He gets done in the air often against larger centre forwards, but that’s also why back posts are targeted in general.
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 8, 2021 14:12:51 GMT
His crossing is excellent and he gets up and down the wing really well. I also think his defending is pretty good - he does actually get back to cover the back post most of the time. The problem is likes of Bayernoatcake etc, expect Stoke to sign the likes of Roberto Carlos and so will always say our players are not good enough. He has been unlucky not to score this season because a lot of Tymons crosses from the other side are deep and reach him. His shooting is generally on target but he need to put a couple away. He took a long time settling in but he is now one of the first names on the teamsheet and not surprised he is leading the EFL stats for assists. Bayern thinks Edwards is better |
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2021 14:40:32 GMT
Always been a great asset and never the issue some claimed he is at RWB at RB he (like all the other RB's) was made to look worse than he was by having Ince in front of him he does ball watch a bit too much,he's definitely better further up the pitch looking for a goal or three from him before season end overall he's having a good season |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:45:15 GMT
His crossing is excellent and he gets up and down the wing really well. I also think his defending is pretty good - he does actually get back to cover the back post most of the time. The problem is likes of Bayernoatcake etc, expect Stoke to sign the likes of Roberto Carlos and so will always say our players are not good enough. He has been unlucky not to score this season because a lot of Tymons crosses from the other side are deep and reach him. His shooting is generally on target but he need to put a couple away. He took a long time settling in but he is now one of the first names on the teamsheet and not surprised he is leading the EFL stats for assists. Bayern thinks Edwards is better Edwards has done okay at the Bulls, in a league not to dissimilar to the standard of the Championship. He’s played most of his games in central defence, but also a good portion at right back and even one or two in defensive midfield. His time there reminds me a bit of Tymon last year, being moved around to find the glove that fits. He could well come back and play well as a decent sub option for Wilmot/challenger for Smith. For whatever crap he got up to off the pitch, adjusting to life in America, let alone in NYC during a lockdown will have been a challenge (a lot of my friends there left to work remotely), he should have matured a lot. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 8, 2021 14:50:14 GMT
True to form this forum is....
Few good games and he's brilliant!!! 🤣
Admittedly, like Brown, he's been better this season, but by 'n' large he's been pretty god damn awful for most of his time at Stoke!!!
I'll give him one shit game before he gets torn to shreds again!!!
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2021 15:06:10 GMT
True to form this forum is.... Few good games and he's brilliant!!! 🤣 Admittedly, like Brown, he's been better this season, but by 'n' large he's been pretty god damn awful for most of his time at Stoke!!! I'll give him one shit game before he gets torn to shreds again!!! most of his time? nah average until this season very good this season we paid too much for him but that's not his fault |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 15:09:05 GMT
True to form this forum is.... Few good games and he's brilliant!!! 🤣 Admittedly, like Brown, he's been better this season, but by 'n' large he's been pretty god damn awful for most of his time at Stoke!!! I'll give him one shit game before he gets torn to shreds again!!! He's had "by 'n' large" a good 14 games now, as the article suggests. I don't think anyone has really "torn him to shreds" in a while. At worst, Smith has divided opinion on this message board. At present, the consensus appears to be one that is happy with his contribution to the campaign as a whole. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 8, 2021 16:40:02 GMT
True to form this forum is.... Few good games and he's brilliant!!! 🤣 Admittedly, like Brown, he's been better this season, but by 'n' large he's been pretty god damn awful for most of his time at Stoke!!! I'll give him one shit game before he gets torn to shreds again!!! He's had "by 'n' large" a good 14 games now, as the article suggests. I don't think anyone has really "torn him to shreds" in a while. At worst, Smith has divided opinion on this message board. At present, the consensus appears to be one that is happy with his contribution to the campaign as a whole. He's had a few good games this season, the rest have been pretty average like many of the others..... He at least owes us this, because for most of his time here (up until this season.....so far) he's been nothing but dire, pretty Cucu Martina esq!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
He's had "by 'n' large" a good 14 games now, as the article suggests. I don't think anyone has really "torn him to shreds" in a while. At worst, Smith has divided opinion on this message board. At present, the consensus appears to be one that is happy with his contribution to the campaign as a whole. He's had a few good games this season, the rest have been pretty average like many of the others..... He at least owes us this, because for most of his time here (up until this season.....so far) he's been nothing but dire, pretty Cucu Martina esq!!! Couldn’t agree less. You don’t get those stats from a few good games, not unless those games have been incredibly good and major outliers, which I don’t think any have been. |
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Post by walrus on Nov 8, 2021 17:10:11 GMT
Didn’t he have the highest crossing accuracy level of any player in the Championship last season?
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Nov 8, 2021 17:20:48 GMT
Didn’t he have the highest crossing accuracy level of any player in the Championship last season? Doesn't matter, the omnipresent one has decided he's terrible and that's it for the rest of the board |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 8, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
He's had a few good games this season, the rest have been pretty average like many of the others..... He at least owes us this, because for most of his time here (up until this season.....so far) he's been nothing but dire, pretty Cucu Martina esq!!! Couldn’t agree less. You don’t get those stats from a few good games, not unless those games have been incredibly good and major outliers, which I don’t think any have been. You're taking about this season though, I've already said he's had a few good games this season, the rest, as average as the others....yeah!!! Now what about the rest of his time at Stoke, prior to this season??? |
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2021 17:52:05 GMT
Couldn’t agree less. You don’t get those stats from a few good games, not unless those games have been incredibly good and major outliers, which I don’t think any have been. You're taking about this season though, I've already said he's had a few good games this season, the rest, as average as the others....yeah!!! Now what about the rest of his time at Stoke, prior to this season??? Average For shyte see Cuco Martina |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 8, 2021 17:55:28 GMT
As a RB in a 4, he’s shite.
However in a 3 he’s class, definitely changed my opinion of him.
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Post by kev4chaz on Nov 8, 2021 18:14:50 GMT
Class I don't think so.
Bang average,lacks pace always get run easily.
Great deliverythough on the whole..
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 8, 2021 18:43:01 GMT
Tommy has vastly improved on last year.
His through balls have been excellent in the main.
He’s not a priority issue that needs addressing now
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 8, 2021 20:28:37 GMT
As a RB in a 4, he’s shite. However in a 3 he’s class, definitely changed my opinion of him. But that's only this season Bojan.... Don't know how much work O'Neil has done with Smith & Brown during this pre-season, but they've both upped their game somewhat!!! O'Neil played the wing-back system last season and we were awful to watch, Smith & Brown both looking particularly dire!!! |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 8, 2021 20:31:35 GMT
You're taking about this season though, I've already said he's had a few good games this season, the rest, as average as the others....yeah!!! Now what about the rest of his time at Stoke, prior to this season??? Average For shyte see Cuco Martina Up until this season you couldn't get a sheet of paper between them they were that similar!!! |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 8, 2021 20:40:00 GMT
Smith - best wing-back in the league?
He “may” be good enough to take us to the next level. IMHO ( not being disrespectful) he’s certainly not of the quality needed to be a real contender for the EPL
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 8, 2021 20:43:24 GMT
He's an excellent wing back. I can see how he had that preposterous good season for Huddersfield when he was the key player in their promotion team.
It's full back where he's a bit dodgy.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 8, 2021 20:51:09 GMT
Been much better in a 5-3-2, which was a prime reason for MON to adopt that as his standard formation.
I'm genuinely surprised he's ranking as the best right-back/wing back in the division on any metric, but he's well down the list of players we need to upgrade.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 9, 2021 12:43:00 GMT
He's certainly one of our best footballers. It isn't often that his first touch lets him down and his passing is usually spot on. He's much better at RWB than RB though.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2021 12:48:48 GMT
Average For shyte see Cuco Martina Up until this season you couldn't get a sheet of paper between them they were that similar!!! rubbish |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 9, 2021 12:57:19 GMT
Up until this season you couldn't get a sheet of paper between them they were that similar!!! rubbish A quick look suggests he hasn't played for anyone since June 2020 after Feyenoord released him. What a player. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 13:03:00 GMT
Shouldn't be too surprising this suits him better as at Hudds his stock was high due to his good attacking.
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Post by tachyon on Nov 9, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
He quickly went from being a lowish volume/low quality chance creator in his early Huddersfield days to a high volume/high quality chance creator. Average xG of the chances he created went from 0.06 xG/chance as a 22 year old to 0.14 xG/chance at 24. (Big jump) Chance creation volume went from 1 per full 90 at 22 to 1.3 per 90 at 24. (Decent jump). He's improved his chance creation volume at Stoke (1.4 per 90) *and* the quality of the chances he's creating has climbed to the level he had as a 24 year old. (0.1 xG per chance in 19/20, 0.1 xG per chance in 20/21 and 0.13 in 21/22). Bottom line at his Huddersfield best he created an expected assist once every 5.5 full games. Currently at 29 and past his peak, he's creating an expected assist once every 6 full games. (He's actually running a lot better/hotter/luckier than that, at the moment). He's never going to chip in with too many goals. Attachment DeletedMost of his shots are low quality ones from distance and wide, rather than central. He's had 3 big chances out of 115 goal attempts since 2014/15 You need the defence to fall in a heap in front of him to turn those type of opportunities into decent chances. A goal every 38 games is his benchmark level. |
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