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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 9, 2021 15:03:00 GMT
Up until this season you couldn't get a sheet of paper between them they were that similar!!! rubbish Exactly, that's what I'm saying!!! 👍🏼
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 9, 2021 15:03:25 GMT
We do seem to have a problem cutting out crosses on his side of the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 15:28:14 GMT
We do seem to have a problem cutting out crosses on his side of the pitch Not surprising when we’ve had Clucas and Sawyers playing that side as midfield cover. It’s been much less of a problem now that Thompson and Allen are working together.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2021 15:30:50 GMT
We do seem to have a problem cutting out crosses on his side of the pitch Feels that way, doesn't it? As a wingback he's shown up as a very good championship player IMO, and at our level we have to accept tradeoffs. Other teams have basically nullified Tymon in recent games. I wonder if that's him or us messing up, or whether they shifted their defences in a way that opened things up more elsewhere.
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Post by boweryboy on Nov 9, 2021 17:11:27 GMT
Both wingbacks have been nullified, Smith did see a lot of the ball,but always had a Man Infront of him against Luton,so never took him on,and turned the ball inside each time,teams have done their homework on our early threat by both wingbacks, not so effective now,this is where tactical nous comes to the fore.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 31, 2022 9:18:04 GMT
Smith let go and replaced with a young centre back with a kid as a back up. Incredible decision.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2022 9:28:07 GMT
He was 25k a week wasnt he?
He isn’t worth half that.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 31, 2022 9:31:08 GMT
He was 25k a week wasnt he? He isn’t worth half that. nowhere near, but he was it off contract so we could have offered him a 2 year deal on say 8k per week. If we are going to stick with wingback then he's good at right back he's toss
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 31, 2022 9:44:53 GMT
Reading those posts from November last year, I’m scratching my head even more why we let him go this summer. We already had a quality RWB on our books.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2022 9:46:54 GMT
Reading those posts from November last year, I’m scratching my head even more why we let him go this summer. We already had a quality RWB on our books. Because he was on about 25k a week and isn’t worth that.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 31, 2022 9:48:41 GMT
He was 25k a week wasnt he? He isn’t worth half that. Just because he was doesn't mean he would have continued to be. Has he got a new club?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 31, 2022 9:50:37 GMT
Reading those posts from November last year, I’m scratching my head even more why we let him go this summer. We already had a quality RWB on our books. Because he was on about 25k a week and isn’t worth that. Well I would have said because he's shit and a momentum vacuum but it looks like we've signed someone else to do that job but cheaper so him being shit and a momentum vacuum was obviously irrelevant.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2022 9:53:56 GMT
How many tines dod some of us post whatever the issues Smith , Sawyers and Allen weren’t the cause and here we go all three would walk straight back into the first 11 there’s been some terrible misjudgments in recruitment in exit and arrivals regardless of FFP te quality has been replaced by cheaper but the dross around it retained or replaced with worse
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 31, 2022 9:54:47 GMT
Reading those posts from November last year, I’m scratching my head even more why we let him go this summer. We already had a quality RWB on our books. Because he was on about 25k a week and isn’t worth that. He started the season well but got worse and worse. On a greatly reduced wage he would have made decent back up (if we’d signed someone decent there 😑)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2022 9:55:29 GMT
Because he was on about 25k a week and isn’t worth that. He started the season well but got worse and worse. On a greatly reduced wage he would have made decent back up (if we’d signed someone decent there 😑) He couldn’t defend for shit either. Which was a big issue.
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Post by kerouac on Jul 31, 2022 10:03:49 GMT
Come on people,he was fucking awful…..and please don’t give it the “stats don’t lie” schtick.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 31, 2022 10:22:49 GMT
Because he was on about 25k a week and isn’t worth that. Well I would have said because he's shit and a momentum vacuum He created a goal opportunity at least once in every game he played last season. Hardly an anchor to our momentum. He started the season well but got worse and worse. On a greatly reduced wage he would have made decent back up (if we’d signed someone decent there 😑) He couldn’t defend for shit either. Which was a big issue. I thought he got in there and made a few decent tackles when required. He also lost possession less than the likes of Djed Spence and Sorba Thomas who’ve been linked with the Premier League.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2022 10:25:43 GMT
As a wing back he was fine and certainly better than what we've ended up with .
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2022 10:30:15 GMT
As a wing back he was fine and certainly better than what we've ended up with . I thought he was useless, couldn't get past anybody and couldn't defend. He is certainly a player I won't miss!
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Post by neckender78 on Jul 31, 2022 10:40:15 GMT
Yeah get Smith back and everything will be fine 🤣 He was fucking wank, slowed momentum eveytime the ball went to him. 90% of time would stop the ball and pass back. 4million he was utterly shit, another in the long long list of shit expensive signings over last 5 years
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 31, 2022 10:43:33 GMT
Well I would have said because he's shit and a momentum vacuum He created a goal opportunity at least once in every game he played last season. Hardly an anchor to our momentum. He couldn’t defend for shit either. Which was a big issue. I thought he got in there and made a few decent tackles when required. He also lost possession less than the likes of Djed Spence and Sorba Thomas who’ve been linked with the Premier League. You're recollection is not in line with his stats, his xg was pretty abysmal once deadballs were stripped out (we don't need a deadball expert at RWB we have Baker). He would lose possession less than players who try to do something with the ball instead of taking the easy option all the time hence the momentum vacuum tag. Very glad he's gone but oh WTF have we tried to replace him with.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 31, 2022 10:44:48 GMT
Was on the bench for Middlesbrough yesterday.
Giving him another 12 months on reduced terms would have been the right move in hindsight, given that we've failed to replace him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2022 10:49:26 GMT
Was on the bench for Middlesbrough yesterday. Giving him another 12 months on reduced terms would have been the right move in hindsight, given that we've failed to replace him. He will be on more money there than we can offer wouldn’t he? The issue as ever is with the tactics and the recruitment.
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Post by milky on Jul 31, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
Like Tymon started very well last season when they seemed to have lots of space to run into, for the most part due to Souttar being present and us being able to move the ball quicker.
Both totally ineffective being tightly marked.In fact the whole system fell apart in general once Souttar was out if the equation,and even then its still had its flaws.
As it stands its an absolute car crash thanks to the manager who has replaced Smith with another player who can't play RWB which means we are totally reliant on Tymon who, let's face it ,isn't that great.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 31, 2022 14:50:49 GMT
Was on the bench for Middlesbrough yesterday. Giving him another 12 months on reduced terms would have been the right move in hindsight, given that we've failed to replace him. He will be on more money there than we can offer wouldn’t he? The issue as ever is with the tactics and the recruitment. Dunno. Given the option, he might have chosen to stay put rather than uproot himself and family etc for the sake of a few grand extra, but I guess none of us will know. I was never a big fan of Smith, but if MON knew he was sticking with 5-3-2, he's one of the few players who look better in that system than a back 4. Without a proper replacement lined up, it seems like yet another daft decision.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 31, 2022 15:01:18 GMT
Smith just wasn’t very good was he, not quick enough and terrible defensively but could pick a pass.
Too early to judge Clarke but the signs weren’t promising after that performance yesterday. If that’s his standard then I hope we’re looking for another RWB.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 31, 2022 16:22:04 GMT
Smith just wasn’t very good was he, not quick enough and terrible defensively but could pick a pass. Too early to judge Clarke but the signs weren’t promising after that performance yesterday. If that’s his standard then I hope we’re looking for another RWB. That sums up the WB position in a nutshell! Saying that, I actually thought Wilmot was the better RWB of a bad bunch that we played last season.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 1, 2022 22:01:53 GMT
Yeah get Smith back and everything will be fine 🤣 He was fucking wank, slowed momentum eveytime the ball went to him. 90% of time would stop the ball and pass back. 4million he was utterly shit, another in the long long list of shit expensive signings over last 5 years This season it would be impossible for him to slow our momentum
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 1, 2022 23:24:34 GMT
All but the first post in the most current page in the Summer targets thread appear to belong in this one - been having a Tommy Smith ding-dong over there with me sticking up for him. 🙂
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Post by 01782 on Aug 2, 2022 10:12:16 GMT
Smith just wasn’t very good was he, not quick enough and terrible defensively but could pick a pass. Saying that, I actually thought Wilmot was the better RWB of a bad bunch that we played last season. I thought Wilmott was awful at RWB last year. He had no pace and played passes astray way too many times. He was ineffective going forward and less effective in defence at RB. Having said that, I don't rate Tymon as a great defender. He is an attacking threat when his head is in the game and will take players on. If he's not in the mood, he just drifts on the left wing playing nothing balls backwards. We don't have anyone playing incisive balls inside the full backs for Tymon to run onto so he often looks disinterested.
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