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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 5, 2021 14:12:15 GMT
Will it be enough for a play-off position? A simple calculation of points we've got so far suggests it won't, only once in the last 7 seasons has a team with less than 74 points made the play-offs (Swansea last season with 70). We will regret throwing 12 points away from winning positions so early in the season. Gouranga.  |
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Post by mowlee on Nov 5, 2021 14:16:26 GMT
Fulham an Bournemouth top 2.. West Brom probably 3.. then 10+ teams fighting for the last 3 playoffs spots.. it’s going too be tight whoever makes it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 14:18:15 GMT
Fulham an Bournemouth top 2.. West Brom probably 3.. then 10+ teams fighting for the last 3 playoffs spots.. it’s going too be tight whoever makes it We need to get a nice run of consistent wins under our belts. That’s something we haven’t done since we went down (and probably not for a while before that either). Best case scenario would see us do enough to be around 5th/6th for much of the season, then run into the final few weeks in a good vein of form. |
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Post by apb1 on Nov 5, 2021 14:26:17 GMT
I reckoned at the start we'd hit 77 points. After looking better than that early on, our points tally is now exactly where I thought it would be on 16 games. 77 should be enough to get us in (the average for 6th place in last few seasons is 74). Another way to look at it is comparing points from equivalent fixtures (swopping promoted and relegated teams in too). By this measure we're 10 points up over 16 games, which would give us an extra 28 points on top of last year's 60  We have indeed blown a lot of points which we shouldn't have but if we learn from that now, we all know what a few wins in a row can do for your chances. I think we are deffo in the top half of teams in terms of our squad, with a midfield beast in the New Year we'd likely make top 4 I think. We need also: 1 Powell to play another 20 games 2 At least one of Fox or Doughty to give some left side competition 3 Sima or (preferably) a rejuvenated Campbell, to chip in with some goals. Surridge seems to be going backwards. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 5, 2021 14:47:13 GMT
Whilst frustrating every team has hard luck stories about points dropped.
I think we'll make the playoffs. It's almost these days a poison chalice. The aim is to go up clearly but probably 2 out of 3 are straight down with a whimper.
It's all much of a muchness bar 2 or 3 teams at either end of the table.
Bournemouth Fulham WBA
Posh Barnsley Derby who are actually bottom 7 irrelevant of deduction.
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 17:19:18 GMT
I agree that 72 points probably won't make play offs (you never of course)
if we got 70/72 that would be clear progress from last year
2006/2007 we missed out on play offs on last day (I think) that set us up for the following promotion season imho
75 or more points probably would be enough to reach the play offs
Can we get more points than that? maybe, if Campbell does kick in, injuries elsewhere not too bad & we reduce the number of errors we could do
TC suggested we should fare better second half of the season than most other sides because our squad has more depth, there is logic there.
top two look like pulling away this year, not sure even West Bro will get near them
I think Fulham are by far the bets side, Bournemouth are well behind them re performances (table doesn't show this yet mind) but look like being better than everyone else
65 points or less would be disappointing from here questions would have to be asked ,barring injury crisis from hell & any other factors beyond the managers control
as usual there appears to be at least a dozen sides with a good shout for making the play offs & as usual results will be difficult to predict for Stoke & most other clubs
can we reduce the errors? > I'm not sure re this, might be next season before we get better concentration levels from the younger players.
can we be more clinical > again Campbell once he gets firing will surely improve that), Brown has clearly been working on his finishing > Surridge needs to (imho) twat the thing rather than place everything > looking for more goals from others, Allen,Thompson for e.g. Souttar should score a few
can we improve game management? > we did v Blackpool, we have played better in most other games that we haven't won than we did there but we kept errors down (1 clanger form a rusty Batth) to a minimum & showed great nous & tenacity at 1.1 to the end. but that's one game > more please if we can't play well we can at least use our brains & get stuck in > other games things will click & then it's down to finishing
all to play for, we have some good cards
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 5, 2021 17:46:22 GMT
I agree that 72 points probably won't make play offs (you never of course) if we got 70/72 that would be clear progress from last year 2006/2007 we missed out on play offs on last day (I think) that set us up for the following promotion season imho 75 or more points probably would be enough to reach the play offs Can we get more points than that? maybe, if Campbell does kick in, injuries elsewhere not too bad & we reduce the number of errors we could do TC suggested we should fare better second half of the season than most other sides because our squad has more depth, there is logic there. top two look like pulling away this year, not sure even West Bro will get near them I think Fulham are by far the bets side, Bournemouth are well behind them re performances (table doesn't show this yet mind) but look like being better than everyone else 65 points or less would be disappointing from here questions would have to be asked ,barring injury crisis from hell & any other factors beyond the managers control as usual there appears to be at least a dozen sides with a good shout for making the play offs & as usual results will be difficult to predict for Stoke & most other clubs can we reduce the errors? > I'm not sure re this, might be next season before we get better concentration levels from the younger players. can we be more clinical > again Campbell once he gets firing will surely improve that), Brown has clearly been working on his finishing > Surridge needs to (imho) twat the thing rather than place everything > looking for more goals from others, Allen,Thompson for e.g. Souttar should score a few can we improve game management? > we did v Blackpool, we have played better in most other games that we haven't won than we did there but we kept errors down (1 clanger form a rusty Batth) to a minimum & showed great nous & tenacity at 1.1 to the end. but that's one game > more please if we can't play well we can at least use our brains & get stuck in > other games things will click & then it's down to finishing all to play for, we have some good cards Good analysis! Lots of ifs in all of this, of course, but if Powell comes back and plays well, and Campbell gets up to speed, both stay fit and play more than 75-80% of our games after Xmas, we really should have a good chance of hitting 80 points. No other long injury lay-offs for any of our most important players would be a boost, as would another left sided defender and and a more defensively minded central midfielder in the January window. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 5, 2021 17:48:18 GMT
In simple terms our season will depend on how much Powell plays.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 5, 2021 18:18:12 GMT
Be another 5-8 years before we grace the premier league again
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 18:31:50 GMT
Be another 5-8 years before we grace the premier league again Random Not 4 or 9? |
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 18:32:22 GMT
In simple terms our season will depend on how much Powell plays. Every teams season depends on their best players |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 5, 2021 18:53:56 GMT
Be another 5-8 years before we grace the premier league again Random Not 4 or 9? Me lucky numbers 😊 |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 5, 2021 19:38:35 GMT
We will get promoted next season.
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Post by chad on Nov 5, 2021 19:40:13 GMT
Be another 5-8 years before we grace the premier league again Optimistic 😡 |
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 19:53:27 GMT
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Post by fraybentos on Nov 5, 2021 20:03:37 GMT
Will it be enough for a play-off position? A simple calculation of points we've got so far suggests it won't, only once in the last 7 seasons has a team with less than 74 points made the play-offs (Swansea last season with 70). We will regret throwing 12 points away from winning positions so early in the season. Gouranga. We’ll make the playoffs and we have a tournament expert from his time at N Ireland |
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 5, 2021 21:00:54 GMT
Apparently it is five years since we last won 2 league games on the trot
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 21:16:32 GMT
Apparently it is five years since we last won 2 league games on the trot No it isn't We did it this August for example |
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Post by samba :) on Nov 5, 2021 21:28:16 GMT
Hopefully we’re 7th in april, then don’t lose again till we play city away in September;)
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 5, 2021 22:29:28 GMT
Apparently it is five years since we last won 2 league games on the trot *more than |
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 5, 2021 23:09:55 GMT
Christ we were all worried about relegation last week, 1 win and we are back on the promotion trail  I would say bob hope and no hope of reaching 72pts, based on a squad that is not much better than the one that finished on 60pts last year and is a whole lot smaller. 50pts as quick as we can and if we make 50pts, not a given, then see where we are then. Need lots of quality in the window if we are going to be a team that gets anywhere near the top six |
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 23:11:56 GMT
Christ we were all worried about relegation last week, 1 win and we are back on the promotion trail I would say bob hope and no hope of reaching 72pts, based on a squad that is not much better than the one that finished on 60pts last year and is a whole lot smaller. 50pts as quick as we can and if we make 50pts, not a given, then see where we are then. Need lots of quality in the window if we are going to be a team that gets anywhere near the top six As the op tells you we are on course for 72 points To expand on this you are saying it's not a given that we won't get another 25 points in the next 30 games? That's ludicrous. 60 points from here isn't much of a stretch either and that would be with an extended dip in results. 72 points is the current extrapolation, that's absolutely going to be near the play offs. |
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 5, 2021 23:35:35 GMT
i think if we can keep with the pack till january a couple of shrewd moves in on loan and we might be playoff contenders then its a lottery
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Post by march4 on Nov 5, 2021 23:37:44 GMT
We will get promoted next season. Doubt it. Bursik, Campbell and Souter will likely leave in the summer if we aren’t promoted this season. It’s either this season or it’s a long wait. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 23:40:26 GMT
We will get promoted next season. Doubt it. Bursik, Campbell and Souter will likely leave in the summer if we aren’t promoted this season. It’s either this season or it’s a long wait. Souttar deffo Bursik? Not so sure about that - has there been any reports of interest? Campbell if gets going, could be interest hard to say Don't forget Premier League clubs don't tend to shop in the Championship as much |
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Post by Royal Donut on Nov 6, 2021 1:40:18 GMT
Will it be enough for a play-off position? A simple calculation of points we've got so far suggests it won't, only once in the last 7 seasons has a team with less than 74 points made the play-offs (Swansea last season with 70). We will regret throwing 12 points away from winning positions so early in the season. Gouranga. So both 5th and 6th place won't make the play offs ,,,,, straight the final for the two above then ? 🤔 This league is that close 5th to 19th, 6 points, a game at a time and just keep our heads massive result the other. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Nov 6, 2021 8:57:03 GMT
We will get promoted next season. Not sure we will to be honest. We're probably gonna lose souttar in the summer maybe Campbell if he scores goals in the 2nd half of season. Maybe even bursik. then we're back to replacing those and bringing in new players. If the chance comes this year to go up we should grab it..and give recruitment another busy transfer summer bringing in some prem quality alongside our good younger players. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 6, 2021 10:50:51 GMT
Id snap your hand off at 72 points, regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not
It would show that we were clearly moving in the right direction
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Post by nonameface on Nov 6, 2021 11:11:51 GMT
We will get promoted next season. Not sure we will to be honest. We're probably gonna lose souttar in the summer maybe Campbell if he scores goals in the 2nd half of season. Maybe even bursik. then we're back to replacing those and bringing in new players. If the chance comes this year to go up we should grab it..and give recruitment another busy transfer summer bringing in some prem quality alongside our good younger players. This summer without selling any players we should be in the best FFP position we've been in for a couple of years and naturally able to sign players. If we sell those players just mentioned then from an FFP position we'd be well off and likely similar spending capacity to a relegated prem team. MON would, if he wanted to, for the first time whilst being our manager be able to sign players that are at a good age and ready to instantly improve the team. We are making massive strides financially off the pitch and pretty decent ones on it. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 6, 2021 11:46:09 GMT
Not sure we will to be honest. We're probably gonna lose souttar in the summer maybe Campbell if he scores goals in the 2nd half of season. Maybe even bursik. then we're back to replacing those and bringing in new players. If the chance comes this year to go up we should grab it..and give recruitment another busy transfer summer bringing in some prem quality alongside our good younger players. This summer without selling any players we should be in the best FFP position we've been in for a couple of years and naturally able to sign players. If we sell those players just mentioned then from an FFP position we'd be well off and likely similar spending capacity to a relegated prem team. MON would, if he wanted to, for the first time whilst being our manager be able to sign players that are at a good age and ready to instantly improve the team. We are making massive strides financially off the pitch and pretty decent ones on it. Probably end up with journey men , over the hill players if we sell the Crown Jewels, I’m not sure the Coates family want promotion |
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