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Post by sd22 on Oct 30, 2021 22:12:37 GMT
Dean Henderson on loan please. Fuck Bursik off for 10m. Not good enough, cash in whilst we have the chance Henderson is good enough to be playing for England. His Championship days are over for the foreseeable. We should be looking to bring in someone proven in this league like Randolph or Areola. Keep Bursik as No 2 or loan him out, and sell Davies in January. If Areola played his cards right he’d be playing consistently for Real Madrid/PSG. Henderson is good enough for England, just feel he is wasted at United for the time being.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 30, 2021 22:23:00 GMT
I'm not a fan of the way Bursik wanders between his penalty box and the half way line when we've got a corner, at one point in the first half I thought he was going up for the corner. He very nearly got lobbed first half he was so far of his line.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2021 22:36:54 GMT
If you drop a goalkeeper every time he makes a mistake, he will make more mistakes and so will his replacement.
It has to be Bursik for an extended run.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 31, 2021 0:04:14 GMT
Yeah, with Angus Gunn, who you said was ace, but who was actually worse than Davies. ??? Gunn is much better as his career has shown. What ?? He was absolute gash and you know it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 0:09:28 GMT
Gunn is much better as his career has shown. What ?? He was absolute gash and you know it. Gunn is a much better keeper and has had a much better career. It’s really not controversial. Not sure anyone outside of Stoke and Barnsley would know who Davies is.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 31, 2021 0:19:10 GMT
What ?? He was absolute gash and you know it. Gunn is a much better keeper and has had a much better career. It’s really not controversial. Not sure anyone outside of Stoke and Barnsley would know who Davies is. Everyone has heard of Joe Allen but it's got fuck all to do with anything. All of our keepers are currently accident prone just like our defenders. Confidence is shot again and that comes from the management.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 0:23:23 GMT
Gunn is a much better keeper and has had a much better career. It’s really not controversial. Not sure anyone outside of Stoke and Barnsley would know who Davies is. Everyone has heard of Joe Allen but it's got fuck all to do with anything. All of our keepers are currently accident prone just like our defenders. Confidence is shot again and that comes from the management. Agreed re our keepers. I was saying it months ago and no one wanted to hear any of it🤣🤦♂️
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Oct 31, 2021 0:57:08 GMT
Should defo get Davies back in and drop that Chester and get Baath in .Even Pej says get Baath in .And Pej knows about defending .
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Post by callas12 on Oct 31, 2021 1:15:19 GMT
Wonder if Butland fancies a loan spell back with us in January, he's only made 1 appearance for Palace!
OK a tad tongue in cheek there but I've got to say I totally agree with my 12yr old daughter post match who said we need 2x new keepers! Back up keepers are supposed to push the No.1 goalie and be a safe pair of hands if mistakes start to creep in. Sadly & bizarrely right now the No.1 Jersey is like a hot potato that Davies & Bursik are juggling between them when the going gets tough. Bonham clearly isn't considered good enough to be a satisfactory No.2 nevermind a No.1 so all in all our keeping situation seems to be in a right mess.. again!
So maybe a new keeper should be being considered as a serious potential transfer incoming in January to at least try and steady the ship and give us some continuity between the sticks! Whatever the management team are trying to achieve or create with our first team keepers at the moment simply isn't working & it's a huge concern.
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Post by tinofspam on Oct 31, 2021 1:20:34 GMT
Don’t know if it has been mentioned but from where I was sitting it looked like Wilmott accidentally blocked his view on the first goal so Bursik saw it late. Defence is shocking at the moment, feel the goalkeepers will get better when our defence gets better
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 31, 2021 5:20:05 GMT
Try dropping O’Neill and take some of your wank signings with you
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 31, 2021 5:57:15 GMT
I would but he needs backing. As I’ve said for months and was told I was a wanker for, we ideally need a new goalie. I was right. The key word there is 'ideally'. We'll always need a new whatever position the further up the league we look. Davies was good enough while we got out of relegation trouble and looked solid enough last season while we were in mid-table. Now we've started to think about a top 6 challenge, he's not up to that level. You weren't right at all. The guy was fine for us until we started to get more serious about a promotion challenge. I tend to agree with you on most things but not in this. In my opinion, Davies has never been fine for us. It was always only a matter of time before he became a problem. He's just not very good. The keeper situation is very worrying as is the continued reliance on James Chester.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 31, 2021 7:00:11 GMT
At least that was a shot, not like today’s pass back. Your mate Joe has made far more mistakes than Davies so far. Hence why he’s just about to get splinters again! No he hasn’t. Benching Bursik again is close to a sackable offence and I hope the Chairman reminds him of that. You want the chairman picking the team now? Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 8:46:32 GMT
Chester leaving that donkey Moore for their 3rd goal was criminal. I don't remember these "worldie" saves though? He made a couple of good saves tbf. One on ones. He was MoM against Millwall too. Good saves yeah, worldies are a different kettle of fish.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 31, 2021 8:53:17 GMT
It was a bad error, we can't, however, keep dropping keepers every time they make an error. Both of them are prone to errors unfortunately, give one a decent run. Bursik should stay at the moment. Chester, Allen need to be dropped. Souttar and Wilmot have been woeful last 2 games also. MoN needs to sort it. Will he have the balls to drop Allen, and we def need to go back to 4231.
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 31, 2021 8:54:39 GMT
Strange what’s happened to our two keepers is it because Andy Quy has been pushed out?
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Post by questionable on Oct 31, 2021 9:00:39 GMT
If you drop a goalkeeper every time he makes a mistake, he will make more mistakes and so will his replacement. It has to be Bursik for an extended run. We’re a so called professional football club not a charity that lets young boys drop clanger after clanger, the lads am embarrassment.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 31, 2021 9:07:04 GMT
So in Jan our shopping list:
1xGK 1xCB 1xLB 1xRB 2 or 3x MF 1xST
So, that's it. A whole new starting 11 pretty much. Great. Nothing wrong with the process.
Lol, this team O'niell is building really is moving us forward.......... this is his team now after 3 windows and its either clueless or shit, both?
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 31, 2021 9:21:22 GMT
Mark Crossley to the rescue, he can’t be that old😉
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Post by mhbsurf on Oct 31, 2021 9:27:45 GMT
Not sure how a defence can be solid when MON keeps swapping keepers every handful of games? I know both have made the odd howler which may have cost us the game but swapping every time this happens doesn’t help our defensive cohesion?
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Post by ceejays on Oct 31, 2021 9:40:39 GMT
Last year Ramsdale looked a very dodgy keeper indeed . He made mistake after mistake. Yet he was still in the England squad. Must say I was gobsmacked. Even more so when Arsenal forked out £24m plus add ons for him . Shocked. Shows what I know. Shows what we all know. Ramsdale has been absolutely brilliant this season . One wonders whether it’s just someone believing in him . Just as Bojan said this week that Hughes believed in him but Rowett and Jones didn’t. Don’t want to reignite that debate but I will just say anyone who says Vokes Gregory Hogan Duffy are better than him need to give their heads a wobble. Perhaps it’s the same with Bursik . Something wrong with our training of keepers . Quy was supposed to b the dogs bollocks as a keeper trainer yet Butland was calamity . Had to laugh at the Brighton keeper this week on penalties. Was that Butland in disguise? Dived to his right every time. And Potter just stood there
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Post by adamsson on Oct 31, 2021 10:12:01 GMT
If you drop a goalkeeper every time he makes a mistake, he will make more mistakes and so will his replacement. It has to be Bursik for an extended run. I'm afraid that the oatcake is not the place for sensible comments at moment
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Post by boltonstokie on Oct 31, 2021 10:13:11 GMT
You’re on a different planet to everyone else. Hope the weather is better there. Have you ever seen Adam Davies play in goal? I have. I’ve also seen Joe Bursik…..
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Post by Picasso on Oct 31, 2021 10:36:39 GMT
I think that both keepers have different strengths and weaknesses and both are, currently, at a similar standard. However, Bursik is on an upward trajectory and Davies has, probably, reached his peak.
Bursik needs more games to gain experience and develop a better understanding of his role (Currently, I believe our defence has more confidence / security with Davies in there, I don’t know if it’s a communication, positional or organisation thing, but that’s how I see it)...
... But, with Davies’ recent errors, he had to be dropped - Though I completely agree that you can’t keep swapping the keepers.
We’ve got a real catch22 here... Play an upcoming keeper that needs experience (in a supposedly play-off chasing team - not ideal) and will make mistakes and, in my opinion, give the defence less confidence (due to his lack of experience) or; play the experienced keeper with better communication and organisation, whom is not likely to improve and will also make mistakes...
Paradoxically, swapping / rotating keepers may be the only way at the moment, even though as said, I agree that you can’t keep swapping keepers... A paradox indeed, and no help whatsoever in solving the quandary of our keeping issues. We need better, ASAP. Bursik will become ‘better’, in time, but we need that now!
As the title of this thread says - ‘Goalkeeper in Jan’ - Then keep Bursik as back up while he develops.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 31, 2021 11:18:45 GMT
It was a bad error, we can't, however, keep dropping keepers every time they make an error. Both of them are prone to errors unfortunately, give one a decent run. Bursik should stay at the moment. Chester, Allen need to be dropped. Souttar and Wilmot have been woeful last 2 games also. MoN needs to sort it. Will he have the balls to drop Allen, and we def need to go back to 4231. Spot on
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 11:25:58 GMT
Not rated Bursik since day 1. Too slow to get down for me.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 31, 2021 12:12:52 GMT
Jesus Christ I’d do anything to have Gunn as an option now. I’d like to think everyone on here would deep down.
Davies was way, way wanker than Bursik has been, including yesterday’s mistake. Gunn is better than both of them.
Stoke fans do not fucking understand goalkeepers for some weird reason
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 12:25:44 GMT
What ?? He was absolute gash and you know it. Gunn is a much better keeper and has had a much better career. It’s really not controversial. Not sure anyone outside of Stoke and Barnsley would know who Davies is. 😂 basing quality on a player’s reputation but disqualifying that same argument for a comparison of Forrester and Ostigard. Hypocrite.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 31, 2021 12:29:07 GMT
Jesus Christ I’d do anything to have Gunn as an option now. I’d like to think everyone on here would deep down. Davies was way, way wanker than Bursik has been, including yesterday’s mistake. Gunn is better than both of them. Stoke fans do not fucking understand goalkeepers for some weird reason That's just the issue though isn't it? Davies isn't way wanker than Bursik, there is nothing between them ability wise. I would suggest the three recent glaring errors from Bursik was way wanker than anything Davies has managed when he's played. Whenever Davies has a wobble he's a shit keeper, when the same happens with Bursik he's a young keeper with potential!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 13:04:51 GMT
Gunn is a much better keeper and has had a much better career. It’s really not controversial. Not sure anyone outside of Stoke and Barnsley would know who Davies is. 😂 basing quality on a player’s reputation but disqualifying that same argument for a comparison of Forrester and Ostigard. Hypocrite. Reputation? I’m basing it on lots of things. I think Forrester is a better player. It’s not hypocritical. I just disagree with you.
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