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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 16:40:06 GMT
Mr Mediocre - not up to it - on for year 3 of same old mid table meh - time for a shake up - he's had plenty of time and backing and it's not working.
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Post by houstonsteve on Oct 30, 2021 16:41:50 GMT
Not left the dressing room yet. MON is explaining how two 8s and a 6 (who can also be an 8 if they really want to) in midfield is all you need in modern football....... takes a while to sink in.......
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Oct 30, 2021 16:43:20 GMT
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Post by pieofpeter on Oct 30, 2021 16:43:20 GMT
and Joe lets in a soft one He has. As I’ve been saying ideally we need a new keeper. Aye, but changing them every other week doesn't help anyone. But a sensible offer I'd take and run. Along as we got a new keeper as Davies is out of contract in the summer an all I think.
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Post by jzime on Oct 30, 2021 16:44:45 GMT
I'm not going to sit here and defend MoN today. But we can't just keep sacking managers and hoping that we'll eventually magically land on a good one who'll solve our issues. Our problems run much deeper than any one manager.
Garry Rowett is a solid, if unspectacular, manager at this level who took Derby into the playoffs and is doing a perfectly reasonable job at Millwall. Nathan Jones and Luton just seem to work together in a way that was never going to happen here, but as it stands the worst Stoke manager of my lifetime is only one point below us. They made mistakes (big ones) at Stoke and deserved to get sacked. But they aren't bad managers. I'd bet my bottom dollar that MoN would go on to have a decent managerial career in Britain if we did sack him.
There are very serious, systemic, issues with the way we are run.
We have no holding midfielder, we've needed one for about half-a-decade but have never come close to signing an adequate one. Our midfield lacks any sort of balance and is too easy for teams to play through. Sawyers and Vrancic are both good footballer players, I'm glad they're both in the squad. But did we need both of them this summer, or did we sign them because they were avaliable? All the money we've wasted on Imbula, Badou, Etebo, Woods, Clucas. Some of those players are technically decent footballers, but none of them were what we needed to balance the midfield in the windows that we signed them. When this has happened under a succession of managers, you have to start wondering if the individuals manager are to blame.
Our whole squad is mentally weak. Again, this has been an issue for years. One goal goes in against us and we fall apart. Virtually the entire squad is different now to the one that got relegated, but it keeps happening. Again, I can't help but think it is an issue of squad balance. At the moment, we have a lot of promising young players but they lack real experience of being at a club that is expected to challenge for a playoff spot over the course of a long and difficult season. We have some older, experienced players. But, frankly, they're mostly players who know they're never going to get another big move and are on too much money to shift. Where are the leaders in the squad? It is a question of squad building and a question of having a cohesive team.
I could go on, but these are just two examples that relate directly to transfer policy and the need to build a balance squad. Managers have come and gone. Mark Cartwright was let go years ago. We've had a few different chief scouts and heads of recruitment since our final seasons in the PL. But these fundamental issues have not been addressed. At that point, you have to ask questions of the board.
I won't pretend to know exactly how we are run behind the scenes and exactly what our transfer process is. I'm not privy to that information and I'm not trying to say the managers have no say or can be absolved of blame. But what I do know, what any ordinary person who works a real job could tell you, is this: There is no industry in the world, aside from football, where a business could go through years of constant decline and the executive leadership did not come under any pressure and not be held accountable.
MoN In or Mon Out, the buck has to stop with Tony Scholes. He is the CEO, the running of the entire club is his responsibility and he has failed to address our fundamental issues. Remember his 'what left-back situation' response to a perfectly reasonable question after two years of BMI being shoved out at LB? He either doesn't recognise these very obvious issues, or he simply doesn't care. Sack all the managers we want. But until something happens at boardroom level, I'm not convinced that much will really change. It's time for the fans to start consistently talking about this, and chanting about it at games.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:44:45 GMT
Post by stokesaint1 on Oct 30, 2021 16:44:45 GMT
Genuine question. How many signings has O'Neill made who have significantly improved us? Not quite sure how many he has signed in total but it must be in the high teens.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Oct 30, 2021 16:45:14 GMT
He will get us to the play-offs mate, I'm sure of it. If not then look elsewhere. This spell is the first real bump this season. Today we were 3-0 up and cruising. I thought we were in control at Bramall Lane as well and we were worthy of a point against Bournemouth. The players bottled this. Sheffield Utd, Preston, milwall and now Cardiff that’s 4 games already this season when we dominated the game and still lost. That’s the difference, a promotion team wins all them games comfortably but we are no where near fucking good enough. We didn’t lose today. But it certainly feels like it. 12 points dropped from winning positions. It’s getting predictable.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
He has. As I’ve been saying ideally we need a new keeper. Aye, but changing them every other week doesn't help anyone. But a sensible offer I'd take and run. Along as we got a new keeper as Davies is out of contract in the summer an all I think. No it doesn’t. More shit management.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 16:46:30 GMT
Has he gone yet?
Might as well go to the Board and seek a settlement on his contract because at this rate they will soon be summoning him for a chat.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:46:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 16:46:44 GMT
I'm not going to sit here and defend MoN today. But we can't just keep sacking managers and hoping that we'll eventually magically land on a good one who'll solve our issues. Our problems run much deeper than any one manager. Garry Rowett is a solid, if unspectacular, manager at this level who took Derby into the playoffs and is doing a perfectly reasonable job at Millwall. Nathan Jones and Luton just seem to work together in a way that was never going to happen here, and as it stands the worst Stoke manager of my lifetime is only one point below us. They made mistakes (big ones) at Stoke and deserved to get sacked. But they aren't bad managers. I'd bet my bottom dollar that MoN would go on to have a decent managerial career in Britain if we did sack him. There are very serious, systemic, issues with the way we are run. We have no holding midfielder, we've needed one for about half-a-decade but have never come close to signing an adequate one. Our midfield lacks any sort of balance and is too easy for teams to play through. Sawyers and Vrancic are both good footballer players, I'm glad they're both in the squad. But did we need both of them this summer, or did we sign them because they were avaliable? All the money we've wasted on Imbula, Badou, Etebo, Woods, Clucas. Some of those players are technically decent footballers, but none of them were what we needed to balance the midfield in the windows that we signed them. This has happened under a succession of managers, you have to start wondering if the individuals manager are to blame. Our whole squad is mentally weak. Again, this has been an issue for years. One goal goes in against us and we fall apart. Virtually the entire squad is different now to the one that got relegated, but it keeps happening. Again, I can't help but think it is an issue of squad balance. At the moment, we have a lot of promising young players but they lack real experience of being at a club that is expected to challenge for a playoff spot over the course of a long and difficult season. We have some older, experienced players. But, frankly, they're mostly players who know they're never going to get another big move and are on too much money to shift. Where are the leaders in the squad? It is a question of squad building and a question of having a cohesive team. I could go on, but these are just two examples that relate directly to transfer policy and the need to build a balance squad. Managers have come and gone. Mark Cartwright was let go years ago. We've had a few different chief scouts and heads of recruitment since our final seasons in the PL. But these fundamental issues have not been addressed. At that point, you have to ask questions of the board. I won't pretend to know exactly how we are run behind the scenes and exactly what our transfer process is. I'm not privy to that information and I'm not trying to say the managers have no say or can be absolved of blame. But what I do know, what any ordinary person who works a real job could tell you, is this: There is no industry in the world, aside from football, where a business could go through years of constant decline and the executive leadership did not come under any pressure and not be held accountable. MoN In or Mon Out, the buck has to stop with Tony Scholes. He is the CEO, the running of the entire club is his responsibility and he has failed to address our fundamental issues. Remember his 'what left-back situation' response to a perfectly reasonable question after two years of BMI being shoved out at LB? He either doesn't recognise these very obvious issues, or he simply doesn't care. Sack all the managers we want. But until something happens at boardroom level, I'm not convinced that much will really change. It's time for the fans to start consistently talking about this, and chanting about it at games. MON clearly doesn’t want a DM.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2021 16:47:03 GMT
Gutting. But I want Martin O Neil sacking right now as much as I wanted Cardiff to score a 4th. He needs to be knocking some heads together tonight mind. This fragility/ slide must stop.
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Post by neilethere on Oct 30, 2021 16:47:05 GMT
Listening to him on Radio Stoke now, the man hasn’t got a bloody clue. Can only play one way you will never change go now please.
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Post by zerps on Oct 30, 2021 16:48:38 GMT
Has he gone yet? Might as well go to the Board and seek a settlement on his contract because at this rate they will soon be summoning him for a chat. Problem is, they’ll leave it far later than this.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 30, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
MON is the architect of this shit show. When was the last time he played the same starting 11 three times in a row? The problem is that he doesn’t have a consistent starting eleven. Whether this is injuries or he doesn’t trust most of his squad, either way it does not bode well. We are spiralling. In a deep dive. Dropping like a Stone. Has he signed the players to halt the slide. No he hasn’t. We will continue to win the odd game to secure our Championship status. We should accept what we now are to make it easier on ourselves. We are a mid table Championship side. That is it.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:52:34 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Oct 30, 2021 16:52:34 GMT
He just doesn't learn from his mistakes
Starting Chester and Allen was simply unnaceptable in a formation that he persists with week in week out whoever the opposition is home and away.
Today only 2 of his Summer signings started - what does that say about his judgement ? MON has one speed and one way of management - he is tactically bankrupt and out of his depth.
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Post by liathroid on Oct 30, 2021 16:52:47 GMT
Has he gone yet? Might as well go to the Board and seek a settlement on his contract because at this rate they will soon be summoning him for a chat. Get back under your TP DUVET and ret yourself
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Oct 30, 2021 16:59:56 GMT
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 16:59:56 GMT
Has he gone yet? Might as well go to the Board and seek a settlement on his contract because at this rate they will soon be summoning him for a chat. Get back under your TP DUVET and ret yourself TP’s time has long since gone.
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Post by zerps on Oct 30, 2021 17:01:51 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 17:02:38 GMT
He's gotta go - ample opportunity but no end product 3 seasons in - were not gonna be relegated but another mid-table shite fest is not good enough for me club owned by billionaires
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 30, 2021 17:02:59 GMT
Gutting. But I want Martin O Neil sacking right now as much as I wanted Cardiff to score a 4th. He needs to be knocking some heads together tonight mind. This fragility/ slide must stop. At least get his name right FFS 🤦🏻♂️
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Oct 30, 2021 17:03:54 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 17:03:54 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually. I do find it strange. They are transient beings that are completely disposable. Yet some love them more than they love their dog!
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Oct 30, 2021 17:04:39 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 17:04:39 GMT
I'm not going to sit here and defend MoN today. But we can't just keep sacking managers and hoping that we'll eventually magically land on a good one who'll solve our issues. Our problems run much deeper than any one manager. Garry Rowett is a solid, if unspectacular, manager at this level who took Derby into the playoffs and is doing a perfectly reasonable job at Millwall. Nathan Jones and Luton just seem to work together in a way that was never going to happen here, but as it stands the worst Stoke manager of my lifetime is only one point below us. They made mistakes (big ones) at Stoke and deserved to get sacked. But they aren't bad managers. I'd bet my bottom dollar that MoN would go on to have a decent managerial career in Britain if we did sack him. Yes to this 👍🏼 👏🏼 for the first part of your post. As per looking for someone on th board to blame - I think that’s a cultural issue within our fanbase, immediately looking for someone to blame. We’ve only just brought in a new head of recruitment who does so based on heavy data based research - which seems to be doing a stellar job. MoN has spent what £5-£7m in less than 3 years, half of which was through a global pandemic which haulted almost all clubs at our levels from doing any transfers (and thus freeing up movement and adjustments of what’s available). And with that he’s turned us from relegation to League 1 to being playoff missing disappointments. This season we’ve evolved further and are at times a really exciting progressive looking team. There’s tweaks and things that need to be bettered and hopefully they will. Getting all flippy floppy with chopping managers again ain’t going to do nothing for our benefit. There’s a reason Wilder hasn’t been snapped up by a Cardiff or similar, amd if we got rid of MoN we’d end up with just a basic bitch Micky McCarthy or a Steve Bruce 😥
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Oct 30, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
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Post by theoptimist on Oct 30, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
MONs job was complete when he kept us up. Did a fine job of it too. He is not the man to take us forward.
Listening to him on radio after the game saying no point getting angry with his players, they need an arm round them. Sounds like hes recruited a right bunch of spineless pansies if that's true.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 17:06:52 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually. Correct. And Michael O’Neill’s time is here. He did a great job keeping us up and stabilising things but after 100+ games, it is clear he can’t raise us above mid-table. Do we settle for that and keep him or do we make a change and look to push on. I know we could have done with managerial stability but Michael will go with everyone’s best wishes. We don’t want things starting to testy.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:07:09 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 30, 2021 17:07:09 GMT
He can't NOT let that one go, a jolly good talking to is the least he can do!!! I'm not sure whispering Ted has a bollocking in him be like getting a telling off from an old lady.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 17:07:51 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually. I do find it strange. They are transient beings that are completely disposable. Yet some love them more than they love their dog! Watford seem to change managers every six months and it hasn’t really done them any harm.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 17:09:08 GMT
I do find it strange. They are transient beings that are completely disposable. Yet some love them more than they love their dog! Watford seem to change managers every six months and it hasn’t really done them any harm. They have a completely different structure to us and we haven’t given any indication we want to change our structure. All of the changes that we have made have been manager driven.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:09:18 GMT
Post by houstonsteve on Oct 30, 2021 17:09:18 GMT
MONs job was complete when he kept us up. Did a fine job of it too. He is not the man to take us forward. Listening to him on radio after the game saying no point getting angry with his players, they need an arm round them. Sounds like hes recruited a right bunch of spineless pansies if that's true. I haven't heard the interview but that fits in exactly with what you see on the pitch. a bunch of spineless pansies. great description.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:13:32 GMT
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Post by Bombus on Oct 30, 2021 17:13:32 GMT
He will get us to the play-offs mate, I'm sure of it. If not then look elsewhere. This spell is the first real bump this season. Today we were 3-0 up and cruising. I thought we were in control at Bramall Lane as well and we were worthy of a point against Bournemouth. The players bottled this. Sheffield Utd, Preston, milwall and now Cardiff that’s 4 games already this season when we dominated the game and still lost. That’s the difference, a promotion team wins all them games comfortably but we are no where near fucking good enough. I can't say I completely disagree mate. I just feel that the man has steadied the rotten ship that was Stoke City (some would say it still is, I know). We've done this sack the manager-thing. I honestly think the man is onto something here but he needs to turn this around quickly. I can't be screaming for blood now though surely? If he keeps playing Chester I might just be mind.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:13:59 GMT
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2021 17:13:59 GMT
Gutting. But I want Martin O Neil sacking right now as much as I wanted Cardiff to score a 4th. He needs to be knocking some heads together tonight mind. This fragility/ slide must stop. At least get his name right FFS 🤦🏻♂️ Ha. I dont want Michael sacked either.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:14:13 GMT
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 17:14:13 GMT
Watford seem to change managers every six months and it hasn’t really done them any harm. They have a completely different structure to us and we haven’t given any indication we want to change our structure. All of the changes that we have made have been manager driven. That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision.
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