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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:14:46 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 30, 2021 17:14:46 GMT
At least get his name right FFS 🤦🏻♂️ Ha. I dont want Michael sacked either.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 30, 2021 17:15:55 GMT
They have a completely different structure to us and we haven’t given any indication we want to change our structure. All of the changes that we have made have been manager driven. That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision. There should be no decision to make with our resources and players currently at the club. The squad we have could EASILY push for promotion if they were used correctly
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:17:51 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 30, 2021 17:17:51 GMT
They have a completely different structure to us and we haven’t given any indication we want to change our structure. All of the changes that we have made have been manager driven. That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision. Question is how long would the owners remain patient and carrying on accepting not making the play offs??
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 17:17:55 GMT
That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision. There should be no decision to make with our resources and players currently at the club. The squad we have could EASILY push for promotion if they were used correctly Totally agree. This is Michael’s squad now. He has had 100+ games to mould it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 17:20:36 GMT
They have a completely different structure to us and we haven’t given any indication we want to change our structure. All of the changes that we have made have been manager driven. That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision. I don’t think we’re anywhere near sacking the manager yet, I’m not sure what yet another change of direction would solve? We need him to wake up for sure and his game management is absolute atrocious, but I think overall we’re still inching incrementally forward as a club. I wouldn’t throw that away, as frustrating as thr last few weeks have been.
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:22:09 GMT
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Oct 30, 2021 17:22:09 GMT
The least proactive in game manager we’ve had? This has been on the cards and again he couldn’t see it. His subs generally don’t work. He doesn’t make proactive subs. He doesn’t react to oppositions subs or changes in tactics until it’s too late. He really needs to sort it out. Don’t forget that we were carved open on the left last week. He didn’t fix it and that’s why we drew today, He isn’t flexible with his tactics. Thought he tried a fix that’s why Tymon and Smith didn’t push on.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 17:22:22 GMT
Axe axe axe
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:26:01 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 30, 2021 17:26:01 GMT
Yes shit day at the office like last week and the week before and the week before……clueless
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:27:07 GMT
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Post by HarryTheHat on Oct 30, 2021 17:27:07 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually. True enough. Just out of interest who was the last manager we had that left voluntarily or was poached by another club? Got to be Lou or possibly Steve Cotterill? Managers very rarely resign or leave on their own terms. They have to be kicked out of the door
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:37:11 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 30, 2021 17:37:11 GMT
What a horrendous day for all involved. MON could and should have done more but the speed of the decline was just ridiculous from the playing side. Then the subs he did make were awful.
Fuck off Stoke. Completely fucking wank.
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 17:38:06 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 30, 2021 17:38:06 GMT
Part of me thinks we’re on a bad run which can happen to anyone in this league but still right in the play off mix, it was only a month ago we played WBA off the park and MON deserves time to set things right.
But on the other hand… Chris Wilder on 5 Live earlier made a telling comment about having plenty of time on his hands at the moment and seemed keen to get back into management.
I like MON as a man and as a manager he’s done a vital job for us but if the right replacement is out there and could be enticed, if we want a genuine promotion push maybe we need to be bold.
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Oct 30, 2021 17:44:11 GMT
I don’t think we’ll sack him, not saying he shouldn’t be but I don’t think we’ll do it mid season unless we’re threatened with relegation.
He was the right man at the time when we appointed him and did a decent job keeping us up and climbing the table but I’ve always felt he’s not the man to take us up. His in game management is shocking and he doesn’t seem to learn. The midfield is the biggest problem and has been for years. Why didn’t he sign a DM? Why does Allen start almost every game? Why has he not ditched 3 at the back when it clearly needs changing? We are so open and look like conceding every time the opposition counter attacks and we are so sloppy on the ball it’s scandalous. What he sees in Chester or Allen I’ll never know
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Post by swinny on Oct 30, 2021 17:45:04 GMT
Take off the 2 players with 3 goals and 2 assists between them. Sound logic, Michael.
I've had patience with him but he's really starting to fuck me off lately.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 30, 2021 17:59:56 GMT
Cool heads prevail.
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:00:58 GMT
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 18:00:58 GMT
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Post by mjb2 on Oct 30, 2021 18:09:08 GMT
MON is totally ineffective. Game after game, he picks the wrong side and then stands by making no decisions till it's too late---and then makes the wrong ones. It was apparent today after 5 minutes that a defensive change was needed. We got away with it for a while but at 3-1, it was desperately obvious we needed Batth on. As per usual,his belated subs made us worse. He didn't make the individual errors on the pitch but neither does he inspire anyone with his lethargy on the touchline. This squad should be in the top 3 but even mid-table will be tough to achieve without a leader who can think. And don't get me started on Joe Allen as captain!!!
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Post by HarryTheHat on Oct 30, 2021 18:12:42 GMT
Exactly the sort of attitude that kept Mark Hughes in post for way longer than he should have been and ultimately led to our relagation. How about being ruthless and decisive whilst there is still time to salvage something this season? This guy will never get us promoted - he hasn't got what it takes
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2021 18:27:59 GMT
Time to go. Get Wilder in before someone else does I don’t think Oniell deserves to go But we should definitely go for wilder So failing a job share, he needs to go
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2021 18:29:59 GMT
Is that based on statistical fact or just spitballing?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2021 18:31:47 GMT
Never ceases to amaze me how attached people get to managers. They will all leave the club eventually. True enough. Just out of interest who was the last manager we had that left voluntarily or was poached by another club? Got to be Lou or possibly Steve Cotterill? Managers very rarely resign or leave on their own terms. They have to be kicked out of the door How many clubs will be knocking down the doors for MON?
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:33:28 GMT
Post by adamsson on Oct 30, 2021 18:33:28 GMT
Does anyone think that the way the crowd panicked when they scored their first goal might have had something to do with the the players panicking and making stupid mistakes? No obviously not.
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:37:40 GMT
Post by HarryTheHat on Oct 30, 2021 18:37:40 GMT
True enough. Just out of interest who was the last manager we had that left voluntarily or was poached by another club? Got to be Lou or possibly Steve Cotterill? Managers very rarely resign or leave on their own terms. They have to be kicked out of the door How many clubs will be knocking down the doors for MON? Approximately none, other than perhaps a League 2 club or a League 1 club struggling near the bottom like Crewe
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:50:12 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Oct 30, 2021 18:50:12 GMT
Does anyone think that the way the crowd panicked when they scored their first goal might have had something to do with the the players panicking and making stupid mistakes? No obviously not. Get the whole crowd on tranquilisers..probably help, I expect
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:54:44 GMT
Post by adamsson on Oct 30, 2021 18:54:44 GMT
Does anyone think that the way the crowd panicked when they scored their first goal might have had something to do with the the players panicking and making stupid mistakes? No obviously not. Get the whole crowd on tranquilisers..probably help, I expect I think we need them
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 18:56:26 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Oct 30, 2021 18:56:26 GMT
Get the whole crowd on tranquilisers..probably help, I expect I think we need them I certainly did today, I was verging on apoplectic at full time
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2021 19:28:35 GMT
The least proactive in game manager we’ve had? This has been on the cards and again he couldn’t see it. His subs generally don’t work. He doesn’t make proactive subs. He doesn’t react to oppositions subs or changes in tactics until it’s too late. He really needs to sort it out. How often do we come from behind to rescue points? 12 points lost from winning positions now and we're not even in November, get him gone
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Oct 30, 2021 19:34:47 GMT
I’ve been home for two hours and I’m still livid.
Absolute shit show
They could have scored 6-7
He can fuck off for me, no excuses, too slow, too open, no aggression, no game management
Even at three nil it was on the cards, we all said it where I was sitting, we are shit…
Cardiff were dreadful, but always looked like scoring
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 19:40:48 GMT
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Post by mowlee on Oct 30, 2021 19:40:48 GMT
He should be gone the next international break and bring wilder in
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Oct 30, 2021 19:43:55 GMT
Was chatting to a Cardiff fan after the game who said they wanted Wilder.
He’s the only name that comes to mind In fairness and I’m certain would get a tune out of this squad.
The frustrating thing is you can see that it’s there
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MON
Oct 30, 2021 19:48:55 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 30, 2021 19:48:55 GMT
We're in the same position as always.
If there is a better manager available and they want the job then we make a ruthless decision. A model perfected by the scousers when they got Klopp in.
Right now the only better option is Wilder (Chris, not Deontay).
If Wilder wanted the job I'd very reluctantly make the switch, if not MON should stay.
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