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Post by pulisman on Oct 26, 2021 23:14:13 GMT
Hi. I will be raising the issue of Car Parking at the next Stoke City Supporters Council meeting.
I'd be very interested in your views, not just about the current situation, but what it's been like for the last 20 years.
Cheers.
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Post by Gods on Oct 26, 2021 23:32:18 GMT
Restore human legs as a means of travel!
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Oct 27, 2021 5:44:22 GMT
Hi. I will be raising the issue of Car Parking at the next Stoke City Supporters Council meeting. I'd be very interested in your views, not just about the current situation, but what it's been like for the last 20 years. Cheers. It’s been shit for 20 years, will be shit for the next 20 years. |
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 6:49:42 GMT
It is beyond a joke this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2021 6:55:28 GMT
We have generous amounts of parking don’t we?
And it’s been fine to get off speedily this season when I’ve used it.
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Post by Veritas on Oct 27, 2021 7:11:36 GMT
What problems?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 7:47:30 GMT
For the life of me I don't understand why we never built a train station next to the ground.
It could have solved many issues and it's surely more eco-friendly than thousands of cars turning up every other week.
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Post by Scouse on Oct 27, 2021 8:15:01 GMT
My thoughts , first question are peoples expectations unreasonable , several thousand cars exiting on limited road capacity equals delay
First 2 seasons I had a ST for the South car park .. stopped because it didn’t fulfil the needs I was looking for
.. if I arrived early my options around the ground for food & drink were limited , they still are , my expectations on exiting weren’t unreasonable I expected delays ..good job because I got them .. however the manner of exiting safetly was a major concern ..basically it was Everyman for them-self , with little quarter given , cars often just the thickness of paint apart.. meaning exiting was not only uneconomical in terms of time and fuel but importantly safety , from either damage or road rage ..have safety matters improved in the last 20 years?
Additions and access to the site have been improved over the years , but with it the capacity of the South car park has I understand been reduced several times since ..with some of that shortfall being taken up by offsite parking , provided by both the club and private business ..whilst providing additional capacity , that means many cars are now parked in areas not originally catered for during the original planning and road building stage , perhaps adding to delays from the clubs car parks
in any review , aims need to be realistic , several thousand cars exiting with limited road capacity takes time ..the question I guess is , is the time needed to clear the site above or below industry standards ..the club have arranged countless studies over the years , so I presume they have the data giving them the fully clear times over the years ..has this changed for the better or worse ( with weighting allowed for increased , reduced gates over the years ..which I presume traffic flow experts can model in )
is there a capacity of cars at which the surrounding road infrastructure becomes clogged and exiting times increase above industry flow standards ..do mid week , Saturday games differ in times , safety ( darker nights I presume also equals slower exit times ) ..indeed is there an industry standard , how do we compare
For me , if I used the car parks the main issue wouldn’t be time , but safety ..the lack of which builds frustration and makes the waiting seem longer ..have the wacky races Everyman for himself issues been resolved , it certainly hasn’t when using the away coaches , so I very much doubt home matchdays are any better ( they seldom are at other grounds I’ve visited by car and used match day parking ( Barnsley is just one example ) is speedy exiting the impossible dream
For me I park away from the ground , in Stoke . Exiting is quicker , healthier , safer and cheaper ..though it does mean a 20 minute brisk walk , not everyone is so able ..but to be honest I come from an era we’re you walked for the paper , not get in your car to go 2-300 yards
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Post by Gods on Oct 27, 2021 8:26:30 GMT
I just park for free on Penkhull Bank where I always did for the Vic, takes about 20 minutes to walk from there and when you get back to your car you are off without delay. Its a bit of light exercise too and if you have more time you can call in to the pub on route for a sharpener!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 8:31:26 GMT
I just park for free on Penkhull Bank where I always did for the Vic, takes about 20 minutes to walk from there and when you get back to your car you are off without delay. Its a bit of light exercise too and if you have more time you can call in to the pub on route for a sharpener! The Welly is the perfect pit stop for that route. |
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Post by Scouse on Oct 27, 2021 8:32:26 GMT
For the life of me I don't understand why we never built a train station next to the ground. It could have solved many issues and it's surely more eco-friendly than thousands of cars turning up every other week. I guess cost ..and logistics of running a new service on the main line or providing a new track , together with signalling and everything else associated with it ..including buying or more likely leasing of the correct number of trains and carriages without impacting on the capacity , running of the main line ( increasingly used for freight ) .. and being available for both weekend and midweek matches ..whilst the line and costs would be of limited use to anything but the stadium The first new station for 20 years in the Liverpool region ( Maghull North) was completed in 2018 ..it’s original estimated cost back in 2016 were £7m by completion that had risen to £13.5m ..this is a station we’re usage is likely to make it cost effective Ahead of recent transport funding costs an additional former station has been looked at to be reopened ( James street , in the Baltic triangle area of the city ) .. feasibility costs and early planning alone have already reached £1.5m ..that before funding to actually build was allocated or guaranteed |
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 8:32:36 GMT
There are very few car parking spaces near to the ground for us oldies that haven’t been commandeered by the club.
I now have to arrive at least an hour and a half before kick off to park. I’m in the ground before 2pm on a Saturday.
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Post by Veritas on Oct 27, 2021 8:33:22 GMT
For the life of me I don't understand why we never built a train station next to the ground. It could have solved many issues and it's surely more eco-friendly than thousands of cars turning up every other week. Because it would have been prohibitively expensive and completely impractical to alter timetables for 25 days a year. What would have been a good idea is to have a bus service from an existing station a couple of miles away, oh yes that is already in place. |
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Post by zerps on Oct 27, 2021 8:40:51 GMT
Get an uber. Support local business.
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 8:46:32 GMT
And I’ve started missing games already because of the parking issues, which is a great shame after all the decades of hardly missing a home match.
This needs to be addressed urgently by the club.
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 8:47:14 GMT
Get an uber. Support local business. And after the game? 5,000 Ubers needed? |
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Post by zerps on Oct 27, 2021 8:59:04 GMT
Get an uber. Support local business. And after the game? 5,000 Ubers needed? One big one |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 27, 2021 9:02:29 GMT
And I’ve started missing games already because of the parking issues, which is a great shame after all the decades of hardly missing a home match. This needs to be addressed urgently by the club. Park in Stoke, have a pint, get a cheap pie from the Wright's shop and get the bus. Where's the problem? |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 27, 2021 9:04:09 GMT
Get an uber. Support local business. Don't get one and avoid supporting exploitative zero hours contracts |
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Post by zerps on Oct 27, 2021 9:08:07 GMT
Get an uber. Support local business. Don't get one and avoid supporting exploitative zero hours contracts I’d rather get one mate my knee hurts. Support my knee. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 27, 2021 9:12:10 GMT
I just park for free on Penkhull Bank where I always did for the Vic, takes about 20 minutes to walk from there and when you get back to your car you are off without delay. Its a bit of light exercise too and if you have more time you can call in to the pub on route for a sharpener! Same for me mate but I park just past the new houses off Campbell Road, 20 minutes walk and straight through the town and on to the A500 without a single delay. The problem is and always will be where the stadium was built, out of the way of anywhere, and a poor road network leading into it |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 27, 2021 9:17:04 GMT
Being disabled it was a pain in the arse not being able to park at the ground though this may have changed by now as I’ve only attended the first two home games this season.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 27, 2021 9:59:50 GMT
And I’ve started missing games already because of the parking issues, which is a great shame after all the decades of hardly missing a home match. This needs to be addressed urgently by the club. Park in Stoke, have a pint, get a cheap pie from the Wright's shop and get the bus. Where's the problem? That's great and what we do but for night matches it's difficult as people all finish work at different times and can't get into Stoke early enough unless you want to miss 20 minutes of the first half and the buses have all gone. |
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 27, 2021 10:01:36 GMT
My understanding is, and I could be wrong, that when the Brit was first built there was actually too many on-site parking spaces.
On-site parking is not the issue - look at most large stadia, there are not adjacent large car parks, and where there are exit delays are the norm.
Parking needs to be scattered around a 2-3 mile radius - this would allow easier exit.
In London - they even sometimes close the nearest tube station - to force people to disperse rather than queue.
In short less car parking on Trentham lakes, and more areas required in Stoke/Blurton/Trentham/Fenton.
Could a park and ride be set-up somewhere Fenton direction? Buses on Gordon Banks Way, direct access down through Heron Cross?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 27, 2021 10:08:15 GMT
I have to park on the North car park as my mum is nearly 90 and would struggle to walk from any where else. My main issues are leaving the ground but with the volume of traffic I guess it would be impossible to please everyone. Having been to Derby several times it's even worse there.
The main problem on arriving is the amount of time we have to wait on the slip road and Stanley Matthew's Way. It seems someone receives a message that a coach is arriving so we immediately get stopped and then sit and wait for the coach to arrive which has sometimes taken 10 minutes while I've been sat at the fron of the queue on the roundabout with nothing moving. I understand the need to get coaches parked quickly but the time that the cars are stopped seems excessive.
After the match has improved greatly while the South car park has been closed as traffic hasn't been allowed up Stanley Matthews. Previous seasons though it has been disastrous as we sit and wait to take it in turns on the roundabout and on a couple of occasions I have seen the stewards being put at risk of injury by impatient drivers (once by a driver who kept creeping up until he was virtually touching the back of the stewards legs and once by a driver who just drove round him when he was stopping two lanes of traffic). I have never understood why traffics exiting car parks south of the ground can't just be directed away from the ground and A50 as there are several alternative routes that way access to the M6 is probably just as easy.
Again on leaving the car parks I can understand why walking fans should be given time to clear before cars and why coaches need priority but in recent weeks they have changed the system so that cars can't exit until the coaches have left which means that if someone is late getting on the first coach nobody can move while we wait. At the beginning of the season cars were allowed to exit until the coaches were ready to leave which led to a far more orderly departure. Perhaps I am being selfish but I can't understand why the coaches when loaded can't be kept on the car park while they clear the exit to the A50 for them to make a swift departure. They used to have the police holding traffic back on the A50 to allow for this but I haven't noticed that this season.
All told though I think Stoke's system works as well as anywhere else and most problems are caused by discourteous drivers rather than the system. I love the ones who sit with their eyes fixed permanently in front of the pretending there are no other cars on either side when their intention is just to make sure nobody gets into the queue in front of them and they get on the A50 at least 30 seconds earlier because they didn't let that car out in front of them.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 27, 2021 10:10:42 GMT
One main way in & way out for traffic (for home and away fans) was always going to be an issue from the design stage up to final build! Nothings changed and will likely change significantly going forwards.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 27, 2021 10:20:28 GMT
My thoughts , first question are peoples expectations unreasonable , several thousand cars exiting on limited road capacity equals delay
First 2 seasons I had a ST for the South car park .. stopped because it didn’t fulfil the needs I was looking for .. if I arrived early my options around the ground for food & drink were limited , they still are , my expectations on exiting weren’t unreasonable I expected delays ..good job because I got them .. however the manner of exiting safetly was a major concern ..basically it was Everyman for them-self , with little quarter given , cars often just the thickness of paint apart.. meaning exiting was not only uneconomical in terms of time and fuel but importantly safety , from either damage or road rage ..have safety matters improved in the last 20 years? Additions and access to the site have been improved over the years , but with it the capacity of the South car park has I understand been reduced several times since ..with some of that shortfall being taken up by offsite parking , provided by both the club and private business ..whilst providing additional capacity , that means many cars are now parked in areas not originally catered for during the original planning and road building stage , perhaps adding to delays from the clubs car parks in any review , aims need to be realistic , several thousand cars exiting with limited road capacity takes time ..the question I guess is , is the time needed to clear the site above or below industry standards ..the club have arranged countless studies over the years , so I presume they have the data giving them the fully clear times over the years ..has this changed for the better or worse ( with weighting allowed for increased , reduced gates over the years ..which I presume traffic flow experts can model in ) is there a capacity of cars at which the surrounding road infrastructure becomes clogged and exiting times increase above industry flow standards ..do mid week , Saturday games differ in times , safety ( darker nights I presume also equals slower exit times ) ..indeed is there an industry standard , how do we compare For me , if I used the car parks the main issue wouldn’t be time , but safety ..the lack of which builds frustration and makes the waiting seem longer ..have the wacky races Everyman for himself issues been resolved , it certainly hasn’t when using the away coaches , so I very much doubt home matchdays are any better ( they seldom are at other grounds I’ve visited by car and used match day parking ( Barnsley is just one example ) is speedy exiting the impossible dream For me I park away from the ground , in Stoke . Exiting is quicker , healthier , safer and cheaper ..though it does mean a 20 minute brisk walk , not everyone is so able ..but to be honest I come from an era we’re you walked for the paper , not get in your car to go 2-300 yards I had thst exact same experience when parking on that car park back in the day. It wasn't only unsafe but incredibly stressful. You could even tell the difference when we lost (which we usually did). Finishing the day with a fight to survive was not fun. I now also park further away and walk. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 10:53:29 GMT
For the life of me I don't understand why we never built a train station next to the ground. It could have solved many issues and it's surely more eco-friendly than thousands of cars turning up every other week. Because it would have been prohibitively expensive and completely impractical to alter timetables for 25 days a year. What would have been a good idea is to have a bus service from an existing station a couple of miles away, oh yes that is already in place. Should have been built from the start. No excuse not to do it. Just laziness and shortsighted. |
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 27, 2021 11:00:45 GMT
This season the parking has been good and the get away has been very good
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Post by marrer on Oct 27, 2021 11:05:47 GMT
I park in my own drive and follow the match on the oatcake. It's hassle-free!
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