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Post by thebet365 on Oct 27, 2021 11:14:41 GMT
Because it would have been prohibitively expensive and completely impractical to alter timetables for 25 days a year. What would have been a good idea is to have a bus service from an existing station a couple of miles away, oh yes that is already in place. Should have been built from the start. No excuse not to do it. Just laziness and shortsighted. At the time we could barely afford the new (Cheap) ground let alone a multi million pound station that would only be used about 25 times a year.
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Post by sheds1862 on Oct 27, 2021 11:28:38 GMT
When I lived in Church Lawton my Vale supporting next door neighbour got home from Walsall away quicker than I got home from the Brit . Unbelievable really,I no longer will drive as it's always been shambolic.
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Post by borges on Oct 27, 2021 11:29:55 GMT
Because it would have been prohibitively expensive and completely impractical to alter timetables for 25 days a year. What would have been a good idea is to have a bus service from an existing station a couple of miles away, oh yes that is already in place. Should have been built from the start. No excuse not to do it. Just laziness and shortsighted. The question is where would trains from a station at the Brit actually run to? To the best of my understanding, trains from 'south' of the Brit (Longton, Blythe Bridge) would have to call at Stoke station to get to the line that runs past the ground anyway, as would everything 'north' of Stoke station. Adding an extra stop close to the ground would be convenient, but it's only practically going to operate as a replacement for the buses that run to Stoke station anyway. If you wanted more people using the local rail network to get to games you may as well increase the frequency/running times for those buses, but ultimately you're always going to be limited by the relative infrequent local services running through the city once you get to Stoke station.
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Post by smalleypotter on Oct 27, 2021 11:42:58 GMT
I realise that this has been raised before but a one-way two lane operation of Stanley Matthews Way all the way towards Hem Heath/Trentham Road would improve exit times quite a bit. Previously it was said that contractual/site lease issues prevented it but can this be re-visited/renegotiated? A 2 hour window of operation would seem to be ample.
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 12:08:57 GMT
And I’ve started missing games already because of the parking issues, which is a great shame after all the decades of hardly missing a home match. This needs to be addressed urgently by the club. Park in Stoke, have a pint, get a cheap pie from the Wright's shop and get the bus. Where's the problem? I don’t drink, the GP won’t let me eat pies and I’ve seen the huge queues for buses at the end of the game. It’s a great idea, mate, but my body is too old and knackered for it.
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Post by eddyclamp on Oct 27, 2021 12:19:30 GMT
car parking cannot improve as Modwyn own all the land around the ground except for what Stoke sit on now. Things will only get worse if we get back up. i wonder how planning permission was ever granted to build a stadium where they have with the access issues.
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2021 12:33:29 GMT
car parking cannot improve as Modwyn own all the land around the ground except for what Stoke sit on now. Things will only get worse if we get back up. i wonder how planning permission was ever granted to build a stadium where they have with the access issues. The car park we used throughout the Prem period is no longer there. However, the club commandeering multiple car parks has now reduced the parking capacity to ridiculous levels. We should be trying to get supporters back, not putting in a barrier which will stop them attending.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 27, 2021 12:52:33 GMT
Is the Michelin car park open for football parking tonight. ?
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Post by kev1060 on Oct 27, 2021 13:35:41 GMT
Car Parking has got considerably worse this season in terms of actual spaces available. I parked on Autoneum for the past few seasons, but you can't get on there unless you arrive close on 2 hours prior to kick off. The Trent car park has now been replaced with a Land Rover garage and another warehouse so that's removed around 500 spaces. The Pets at home car park was closed for the Bournemouth match, although I have been using that on Saturdays and getting away is much easier now that the South Car Park is used as a Covid test centre. The car park on the opposite side of Trentham rugby club is OK, but at the Forest game, I was stuck trying to get away after the match for over an hour. I tried Trentham rugby club f0or the Bournemouth game, and although I got parked up, there were limited spaces due to there being about 50 or more Amazon delivery vans taking up most of the spaces. All in all, spaces are becoming rarer by the week.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 27, 2021 13:47:08 GMT
One main way in & way out for traffic (for home and away fans) was always going to be an issue from the design stage up to final build! Nothings changed and will likely change significantly going forwards. Nailed it. Not sure how incoming traffic (Leisure/Business/Housing) could have been catered for, however it was a greenfield site. The main car parks around the ground should have been designed to exit straight onto the A50 during its construction.
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Post by klingon on Oct 27, 2021 15:29:42 GMT
Couldn't someone adapt a fleet of massive barges, and why weren't trams considered at the design stage?
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Post by s8to on Oct 27, 2021 16:03:46 GMT
Car Parking has got considerably worse this season in terms of actual spaces available. I parked on Autoneum for the past few seasons, but you can't get on there unless you arrive close on 2 hours prior to kick off. The Trent car park has now been replaced with a Land Rover garage and another warehouse so that's removed around 500 spaces. The Pets at home car park was closed for the Bournemouth match, although I have been using that on Saturdays and getting away is much easier now that the South Car Park is used as a Covid test centre. The car park on the opposite side of Trentham rugby club is OK, but at the Forest game, I was stuck trying to get away after the match for over an hour. I tried Trentham rugby club f0or the Bournemouth game, and although I got parked up, there were limited spaces due to there being about 50 or more Amazon delivery vans taking up most of the spaces. All in all, spaces are becoming rarer by the week. Spot on here!!! In the early Prem days we were parking in the South car park, as time wore on and as pointed out the barriers went up to prevent you leaving until a good deal of time after the final whistle, we moved to that one further down which at least allowed you to get away in reasonable time. That is now a Landrover dealership and housing estate, and the parking for us now even further down the road at Screwfix... On a busy game you have to be there early enough or risk missing a space which isn't helpful considering we have to come up the M5 and M6 and often the motorway deals unexpected delays to add to the stress of where to park. My biggest concern is the obvious one though. Given the relentless utilisation of the St Modwen land for buildings, the Amazon depot using spare parking spaces for their drivers and vans, and the other businesses clearly now there hoovering up other spaces. Where on earth will we all park if we do get back to the Prem with nigh on 30000 people in the stadium, plus stewards, etc.? Year on Year it is clear the number of available spaces is shrinking, so how on earth will it all work if we get back to the Premier League, seriously the club needs to be planning for this. I would be very interested to hear of any strategy or plan for this for sure!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2021 16:07:40 GMT
Car Parking has got considerably worse this season in terms of actual spaces available. I parked on Autoneum for the past few seasons, but you can't get on there unless you arrive close on 2 hours prior to kick off. The Trent car park has now been replaced with a Land Rover garage and another warehouse so that's removed around 500 spaces. The Pets at home car park was closed for the Bournemouth match, although I have been using that on Saturdays and getting away is much easier now that the South Car Park is used as a Covid test centre. The car park on the opposite side of Trentham rugby club is OK, but at the Forest game, I was stuck trying to get away after the match for over an hour. I tried Trentham rugby club f0or the Bournemouth game, and although I got parked up, there were limited spaces due to there being about 50 or more Amazon delivery vans taking up most of the spaces. All in all, spaces are becoming rarer by the week. Spot on here!!! In the early Prem days we were parking in the South car park, as time wore on and as pointed out the barriers went up to prevent you leaving until a good deal of time after the final whistle, we moved to that one further down which at least allowed you to get away in reasonable time. That is now a Landrover dealership and housing estate, and the parking for us now even further down the road at Screwfix... On a busy game you have to be there early enough or risk missing a space which isn't helpful considering we have to come up the M5 and M6 and often the motorway deals unexpected delays to add to the stress of where to park. My biggest concern is the obvious one though. Given the relentless utilisation of the St Modwen land for buildings, the Amazon depot using spare parking spaces for their drivers and vans, and the other businesses clearly now there hoovering up other spaces. Where on earth will we all park if we do get back to the Prem with nigh on 30000 people in the stadium, plus stewards, etc.? Year on Year it is clear the number of available spaces is shrinking, so how on earth will it all work if we get back to the Premier League, seriously the club needs to be planning for this. I would be very interested to hear of any strategy or plan for this for sure! Don't worry Scholsey will definitely have a plan. He always does
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Post by s8to on Oct 27, 2021 16:10:00 GMT
Spot on here!!! In the early Prem days we were parking in the South car park, as time wore on and as pointed out the barriers went up to prevent you leaving until a good deal of time after the final whistle, we moved to that one further down which at least allowed you to get away in reasonable time. That is now a Landrover dealership and housing estate, and the parking for us now even further down the road at Screwfix... On a busy game you have to be there early enough or risk missing a space which isn't helpful considering we have to come up the M5 and M6 and often the motorway deals unexpected delays to add to the stress of where to park. My biggest concern is the obvious one though. Given the relentless utilisation of the St Modwen land for buildings, the Amazon depot using spare parking spaces for their drivers and vans, and the other businesses clearly now there hoovering up other spaces. Where on earth will we all park if we do get back to the Prem with nigh on 30000 people in the stadium, plus stewards, etc.? Year on Year it is clear the number of available spaces is shrinking, so how on earth will it all work if we get back to the Premier League, seriously the club needs to be planning for this. I would be very interested to hear of any strategy or plan for this for sure! Don't worry Scholsey will definitely have a plan. He always does ... Exactly!!! That's why I am worried!!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2021 16:13:06 GMT
Don't worry Scholsey will definitely have a plan. He always does ... Exactly!!! That's why I am worried!! I used to try and park up at the ground but sacked it off as it is simply too infuriating. Generally park in Penkhull nowadays, have a pint or 2 up there and take a 25 minute stroll up to the ground. Much less stressful and takes any reliance upon scholes out of the equation.
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Post by sd22 on Oct 27, 2021 16:58:15 GMT
I’ve recently started taking the train. £5.10 return, stop for one pint on the way.
30mins walk from my house to Kidsgrove station 30 mins from Stoke station to the ground
Same again afterwards. Maybe just a tiny bit more expensive than driving to the match, but I lose some of my carbon footprint and gets some steps in to keep the chub off!
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2021 17:36:14 GMT
Couldn't someone adapt a fleet of massive barges, and why weren't trams considered at the design stage? £££££££££££££
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 27, 2021 23:57:57 GMT
Entire access and egress to the ground is a joke. It needs entirely ripping up and starting again but it’s not an option so we’ve got what we’ve got. The best thing the club have is the A50, it can be almost a non stop flow of traffic, but the buses and pedestrians make this a non starter. The ground is next to a railway line! It needs a station, it’s not called mass transit for nothing. You can move hundreds/thousands of people in seconds. I’ve always wondered why the road over the “new” bridge wasn’t designed in a way it can be alternated for incoming and outgoing traffic. I.e 2 lanes in before the match. 2 lanes out after. All it would need is a modification to the kerb and using correctly by the traffic company and it could make a world of difference. All of a sudden we can have a dual carriageway leaving the ground all for removing the kerbs and lamppost! Given parking elsewhere, again we have allowed the site to be blocked in and unless we are investing in a park and ride or multi story I’m not sure what else can be done. Ideal the site needs a dedicated exit/entrance over the railway but that won’t be happening anytime soon…
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Post by loosestools on Oct 28, 2021 7:51:12 GMT
Exiting the South car park is a free for all but it would help if all of the cars parked on the front row, both on your left and on your right as you enter the car park weren't the last one to leave. You have to fight your way out through restrictions caused by these parked vehicles. And its the same vehicles every match, are they staff?
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Post by stokemark on Oct 28, 2021 9:26:51 GMT
Spot on here!!! In the early Prem days we were parking in the South car park, as time wore on and as pointed out the barriers went up to prevent you leaving until a good deal of time after the final whistle, we moved to that one further down which at least allowed you to get away in reasonable time. That is now a Landrover dealership and housing estate, and the parking for us now even further down the road at Screwfix... On a busy game you have to be there early enough or risk missing a space which isn't helpful considering we have to come up the M5 and M6 and often the motorway deals unexpected delays to add to the stress of where to park. My biggest concern is the obvious one though. Given the relentless utilisation of the St Modwen land for buildings, the Amazon depot using spare parking spaces for their drivers and vans, and the other businesses clearly now there hoovering up other spaces. Where on earth will we all park if we do get back to the Prem with nigh on 30000 people in the stadium, plus stewards, etc.? Year on Year it is clear the number of available spaces is shrinking, so how on earth will it all work if we get back to the Premier League, seriously the club needs to be planning for this. I would be very interested to hear of any strategy or plan for this for sure! Don't worry Scholsey will definitely have a plan. He always does His plan came into effect 4 years ago and continues to be more and more succesful Get relegated, spend years outside the Prem, get shitter and shitter and eventually hardly any one will attend Problem solved
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 28, 2021 16:34:25 GMT
During our Prem days we used to be sure of a parking at our regular place (about 25 minutes walk to the ground) as long as we got there around 50 minutes before KO.
Now, thousands fewer people go and we can't get our regular spot unless we get there at least 75 minutes before KO.
However, given where the ground is, I can't envisage where any new matchday car parks could be located. It's a big problem.
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2021 17:50:34 GMT
What would the parking be like at the Vic in 2021,you cannot park anywhere in the day time neither mind match days.Can anyone who goes away matches by car tell us how clubs with 25000 plus stadiums cope.
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Post by misterj on Oct 28, 2021 19:41:13 GMT
OK not suitable for very young fans or very old fans or those with mobility issues BUT for the 80% (??) majority, what about an arrangement to use spare land (or street parking) in Hanford and pave/concrete/tarmac that muddy path down to the canal (+ lighting + cameras) for fans arriving from South & West of city and for those arriving from North of city, , similar idea using spare land (or street parking) in Stoke town. Benefits = climate issues tick greater physical exercise tick better dispersal of fans + traffic after game tick (piss give free programmes to fans using this facility as an incentive?)
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Post by Scouse on Oct 29, 2021 11:01:16 GMT
IMO On-site parking is magnified and preferred by many due to the position of the ground ..in the middle of nowhere for many encourages not discourages car use
A park and ride scheme may help .. but who funds that ? Not least when the club could argue they already provide adequate official parking ( all be it limited ) and other businesses providing additional parking The cost of securing the land , changing the use of the land , the detrimental impact on neighbours at the site (, would you want a park and ride scheme in your backyard especially late at night after night games, ) together with the cost of turning it into a car park and indeed running the service wouldn’t come cheap
if a park and ride scheme is only used on matchdays then any increased revenue together with fans ( perceived or real ) improved experience aren’t likely to be enough to persuade the club to cover the costs alone ..and if for matchday use only , the council are unlikely to agree to part funding giving the ever increasing demands on their budget that all councils remind us of
To be effective as a park and ride schemes and attractive to the council , Id suggest it needs to be for multi purpose use ..
on matchdays that’s for use by the club ..but during the week this could be with a link to both Stoke and Hanley ..and indeed other towns .. multi destinations required to increase use and avoid claims that Hanley are getting everything and indeed so other towns don’t get what small footfall they receive now further diminished by a scheme that serves just Hanley..that might receive multiple avenues of funding
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 29, 2021 18:11:44 GMT
Forget extra car parking, why not look to improve footpaths around the ground, from all directions, encouraging people to park away from the ground and make use of local amenities...let's face it, there are precious few amenities clos to the Bet 365. The more folk who park and walk the easier it becomes for the less mobile to park close to the stadium...win/win.
For away games we always look to find a decent pub(s) up to 1.5 miles away from the ground, and park near by. Best of both worlds: good beer and exercise!
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 30, 2021 1:02:01 GMT
I parked in the south car park once….whilst joining the mad “free for all” exit strategy, I noticed the couple parked adjacent to me had a full picnic on the go …flasks, sandwiches, etc . I realised at that point they knew it was going to be along wait to get off the car park , and had settled in for the evening…I wish I’d known a cuppa and a butty would have been most welcome..
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 8:59:07 GMT
During our Prem days we used to be sure of a parking at our regular place (about 25 minutes walk to the ground) as long as we got there around 50 minutes before KO. Now, thousands fewer people go and we can't get our regular spot unless we get there at least 75 minutes before KO. However, given where the ground is, I can't envisage where any new matchday car parks could be located. It's a big problem. Exactly!! Some of us aren’t fit enough to walk miles or queue for a bus. Adequate car parking is no longer available.
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