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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 29, 2021 6:41:36 GMT
Only 19 fees were paid by Chanpionship clubs this season? What we spent on Surridge will then automatically make it one of the bigger deals this summer. With what Brown gives you I’d expect to get that on a free. He’s no better than Lee Gregory for instance. Both League One strikers really. He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… Not sure I’d agree PP. finishing wise I’d say they are roughly the same . Brown had more pace but Gregory is better in the air and has far better hold up play and control. Brown will make way for Campbell once he’s back in the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 6:48:25 GMT
Only 19 fees were paid by Chanpionship clubs this season? What we spent on Surridge will then automatically make it one of the bigger deals this summer. With what Brown gives you I’d expect to get that on a free. He’s no better than Lee Gregory for instance. Both League One strikers really. He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… Brown? Gregory was way better at holding it up. It’s not even close is it with that side of the game? Brown is a better a finisher but they both miss way too many.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 29, 2021 6:50:04 GMT
Brown cost £2m, which (all things being equal) tends to buy an average Championship striker. He's improved a lot already and is probably about that level now. Not the best signing in the world, but not an awful one either. I'd say the same for Surridge- £2m for a bloke who's a decent finisher but pretty average across the board is the going rate. Not every signing we make is going to hit the jackpot. I'm not sure he's a good finisher particularly. If he was he'd have scored 2 last night. What he is is great movement and reading in the box creating and finding pockets of space leading to chances which he doesn't always finish. Credit where it's due though he gets far more chances than any other player. (Although I probably count some chances which fall to Clucas as watching on the red button last night I couldn't tell them apart😊😊)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 6:53:20 GMT
Brown cost £2m, which (all things being equal) tends to buy an average Championship striker. He's improved a lot already and is probably about that level now. Not the best signing in the world, but not an awful one either. I'd say the same for Surridge- £2m for a bloke who's a decent finisher but pretty average across the board is the going rate. Not every signing we make is going to hit the jackpot. I'm not sure he's a good finisher particularly. If he was he'd have scored 2 last night. What he is is great movement and reading in the box creating and finding pockets of space leading to chances which he doesn't always finish. Credit where it's due though he gets far more chances than any other player. (Although I probably count some chances which fall to Clucas as watching on the red button last night I couldn't tell them apart😊😊) They do look so similar😳
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 7:00:01 GMT
Seen on another thread the Preston manager claims we are the best side he's seen down here.
Incredible really, considering we only had 10 genuine footballers on the pitch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 7:01:32 GMT
Seen on another thread the Preston manager claims we are the best side he's seen down here. Incredible really, considering we only had 10 genuine footballers on the pitch. 9, the goalie forgot to turn up 👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 7:04:28 GMT
Seen on another thread the Preston manager claims we are the best side he's seen down here. Incredible really, considering we only had 10 genuine footballers on the pitch. 9, the goalie forgot to turn up 👍 Yeah he should have saved it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 7:10:26 GMT
Getting really fucking boring isn’t it? What is boring is the overegging of a player because he runs a lot. I don’t get where it comes from. Let me guess..... You think it's weird? If you can't get your head around why fans like a player who puts in a shift then you're thick as fuck, and no matter how many times you say its "strange" or "weird" won't hide the fact that you are indeed thick as fuck. I know a few Liverpool fans and they used to love Dirk Kuyt because he ran around and worked his bollocks off for the team, didn't score shit loads of goals, and compared to many others around him lacked in quality (obviously he was a better player than Brown is, but it's all relative). It doesn't matter what level of football you are at, fans, fellow professionals and managers alike will always have a fondness for players who work hard and give 100% for the team every game. It's not that hard to understand, and gobbing off on here about him not being a footballer just negates any good points that you might have about the abilities of Jacob Brown as a player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 7:14:02 GMT
What is boring is the overegging of a player because he runs a lot. I don’t get where it comes from. Let me guess..... You think it's weird? If you can't get your head around why fans like a player who puts in a shift then you're thick as fuck, and no matter how many times you say its "strange" or "weird" won't hide the fact that you are indeed thick as fuck. I know a few Liverpool fans and they used to love Dirk Kuyt because he ran around and worked his bollocks off for the team, didn't score shit loads of goals, and compared to many others around him lacked in quality (obviously he was a better player than Brown is, but it's all relative). It doesn't matter what level of football you are at, fans, fellow professionals and managers alike will always have a fondness for players who work hard and give 100% for the team every game. It's not that hard to understand, and gobbing off on here about him not being a footballer just negates any good points that you might have about the abilities of Jacob Brown as a player. Kuyt could also play football. I’m talking about when it’s the only attribute. Effort is a given and most players do it. We’ve seen in the recent past when too many don’t but on the whole most players put 100% effort in. It’s not something to be lauded. Brown has no abilities as a player. Disappointing that hasn’t come across. 😂😂
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 29, 2021 7:18:04 GMT
I thought last night was one of his better games in terms of his hold up play. He has very little quality though and you have zero faith that he’s going to produce anything when put in good positions.
With Campbell, Fletcher and Sima all back after the international break, hopefully we’ll be seeing a lot less of Brown.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 7:40:23 GMT
He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… Not sure I’d agree PP. finishing wise I’d say they are roughly the same . Brown had more pace but Gregory is better in the air and has far better hold up play and control. Brown will make way for Campbell once he’s back in the team. He gives so much more for team, we were on the front foot from the off yesterday and Brown running the channels and linking up with others was a big part of that. Gregory is a straight up poached who offers little else, as long as we continue to share the goals around Brown will play a key role. He’s still relatively young and still learning as well…..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 7:42:29 GMT
He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… Brown? Gregory was way better at holding it up. It’s not even close is it with that side of the game? Brown is a better a finisher but they both miss way too many. Gregory was awful, a goal poacher that couldn’t even do that in a Stoke shirt…..
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 29, 2021 8:00:04 GMT
If you have a dig at MON, the Oatcake firm start bouncing up and down Yo u don't just have a dig though do you? You use every opportunity to call him inept . Sometimes he is. Like it or not, no ones always perfect.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 8:03:15 GMT
Brown? Gregory was way better at holding it up. It’s not even close is it with that side of the game? Brown is a better a finisher but they both miss way too many. Gregory was awful, a goal poacher that couldn’t even do that in a Stoke shirt….. Goal poacher? Since when? His hold up play was/is streets ahead of what Brown does. Both are crap in front of goal. 7 in 51 (Brown) plays 7 in 46 (Gregory) and guessing it's almost identical for when Brown actually hit his 7th goal. I'm guessing Brown has it in more minutes though but played more out wide.
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Post by caine on Sept 29, 2021 8:49:22 GMT
If you have a dig at MON, the Oatcake firm start bouncing up and down And start telling you 2m for a player like Brown is actually ok. Mad. Brown has done ok this season… I will put it down to there being 3 games this week and Surridge being tested for West Brom seeing as Fletcher and Sima are out injured. It is baffling sometimes the tactics. Doughty not being used is another one. Prefect game for him to come on last 20….
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Post by pez75 on Sept 29, 2021 8:59:07 GMT
Brown is in the team for his workrate, I don't think anyone is under the illusion that he won't miss a fuckload more than he scores, but for fucks sake sometimes the ball HAS TO STICK! His control and hold up play is atrocious. It just bounces off him every time. Surridge came on and immediately dealt with a tricky ball from defence, held off two defenders and started an attacking move - He did more for build up play in 2 mins than what Brown acheived all game.
And don't mention that attempt at goal when Clucas was open and screaming for it...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 9:13:27 GMT
Brown is in the team for his workrate, I don't think anyone is under the illusion that he won't miss a fuckload more than he scores, but for fucks sake sometimes the ball HAS TO STICK! His control and hold up play is atrocious. It just bounces off him every time. Surridge came on and immediately dealt with a tricky ball from defence, held off two defenders and started an attacking move - He did more for build up play in 2 mins than what Brown acheived all game. And don't mention that attempt at goal when Clucas was open and screaming for it... Second half I agree, first half his control and link up play was excellent. First 30 minutes especially.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 9:16:10 GMT
Gregory was awful, a goal poacher that couldn’t even do that in a Stoke shirt….. Goal poacher? Since when? His hold up play was/is streets ahead of what Brown does. Both are crap in front of goal. 7 in 51 (Brown) plays 7 in 46 (Gregory) and guessing it's almost identical for when Brown actually hit his 7th goal. I'm guessing Brown has it in more minutes though but played more out wide. You ask defenders who they would rather play against and it would be Gregory all day long. His hold up play at Stoke was fairly non-existent other than during a fairly bright but brief start to his career that ultimately went to rat shit very quickly......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 9:18:37 GMT
Yo u don't just have a dig though do you? You use every opportunity to call him inept . Sometimes he is. Like it or not, no ones always perfect. 99% of your posts are negative, you've barely acknowledged the turnaround of the squad and our improved situation if at all........
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Post by pez75 on Sept 29, 2021 9:22:18 GMT
Brown is in the team for his workrate, I don't think anyone is under the illusion that he won't miss a fuckload more than he scores, but for fucks sake sometimes the ball HAS TO STICK! His control and hold up play is atrocious. It just bounces off him every time. Surridge came on and immediately dealt with a tricky ball from defence, held off two defenders and started an attacking move - He did more for build up play in 2 mins than what Brown acheived all game. And don't mention that attempt at goal when Clucas was open and screaming for it... Second half I agree, first half his control and link up play was excellent. First 30 minutes especially..... I think 'excellent' is stretching it. That's the problem, I can't recall ever seeing a game and thinking his performance was 'excellent', more 'useful' on the odd occasion. He cocks up so many forward moves... Comparing him & Gregory reminds me of the old website "ratemypoo.com" - if they're both shit, does it matter?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 9:40:29 GMT
Goal poacher? Since when? His hold up play was/is streets ahead of what Brown does. Both are crap in front of goal. 7 in 51 (Brown) plays 7 in 46 (Gregory) and guessing it's almost identical for when Brown actually hit his 7th goal. I'm guessing Brown has it in more minutes though but played more out wide. You ask defenders who they would rather play against and it would be Gregory all day long. His hold up play at Stoke was fairly non-existent other than during a fairly bright but brief start to his career that ultimately went to rat shit very quickly...... Brown has been in the defender's back pocket for most of the season. Neither are good enough. But Gregory's hold up play was far superior. Again though, we're comparing shit with shit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 9:43:27 GMT
Second half I agree, first half his control and link up play was excellent. First 30 minutes especially..... I think 'excellent' is stretching it. That's the problem, I can't recall ever seeing a game and thinking his performance was 'excellent', more 'useful' on the odd occasion. He cocks up so many forward moves... Comparing him & Gregory reminds me of the old website "ratemypoo.com" - if they're both shit, does it matter? Swansea away, Watford away and Huddersfield at home this season he was "excellent", there's three without thinking too hard. Saying someone is "shit" without seeing what he brings to the team doesn't tell the full story though in the same way that Sidibe was "shit" but allowed Fuller the freedom to play his natural game......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2021 9:46:59 GMT
You ask defenders who they would rather play against and it would be Gregory all day long. His hold up play at Stoke was fairly non-existent other than during a fairly bright but brief start to his career that ultimately went to rat shit very quickly...... Brown has been in the defender's back pocket for most of the season. Neither are good enough. But Gregory's hold up play was far superior. Again though, we're comparing shit with shit. He's been in the defenders back pocket yet we've lost one game in the ten he's started all season......
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 29, 2021 10:22:00 GMT
Sometimes he is. Like it or not, no ones always perfect. 99% of your posts are negative, you've barely acknowledged the turnaround of the squad and our improved situation if at all........ I salute what he’s done getting rid of the crap and said it numerous times, I disagree with his tactics, not all the time but most, also his team selection, again, not all the time.
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 29, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
Only 19 fees were paid by Chanpionship clubs this season? What we spent on Surridge will then automatically make it one of the bigger deals this summer. With what Brown gives you I’d expect to get that on a free. He’s no better than Lee Gregory for instance. Both League One strikers really. He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… He fucking isn’t
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 29, 2021 10:42:06 GMT
He’s far far better than Lee Gregory…… He fucking isn’t He fucking is
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 29, 2021 10:45:45 GMT
99% of your posts are negative, you've barely acknowledged the turnaround of the squad and our improved situation if at all........ I salute what he’s done getting rid of the crap and said it numerous times, I disagree with his tactics, not all the time but most, also his team selection, again, not all the time. Which tactics, out of interest, as this year's aren't the same as last year's? How would you set up?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 10:55:32 GMT
Car has a Good engine, pity he cant Drive it.
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 29, 2021 10:57:15 GMT
Simple, high press constantly instead of slowing the game down. I know you have to have players who can play that way but they need to be coached that way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 11:03:29 GMT
If you have a dig at MON, the Oatcake firm start bouncing up and down And start telling you 2m for a player like Brown is actually ok. Mad. I’m not saying it’s ok in the sense that it’s value for money or the best we could’ve done for the prices, but just pointing out that I think there’s some definite confusion as to what a £2m striker at this level represents. If it was 2004 then you’d expect to be getting a top level championship class striker for that money, but it’s 2021 and you’re looking at squad players when you buy a striker for £2m. I still think there must’ve been better value out there though, definitely in Brown’s case as he still has a lot of deficits. Surridge is still very early days and harder to judge. If he’s working his bollocks off and improves his weaknesses as well as getting better at his strengths then he might become a very good championship striker. There were two moments of Brown’s in the 2nd half where he had the opportunity to play fairly simple passes that would’ve led to a good chance, but both time shot at a defender’s legs when shots clearly weren’t on. It’s a complete lack of football intelligence. Toney went from Peterborough to Brentford for £5m rising to £10m (and I guess it’s closer to £10m given his and Brentford’s success) So like I say, less than £5m for two strikers will buy you attributes, not a complete player.
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