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Sept 26, 2021 0:07:28 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2021 0:07:28 GMT
I’m amazed after nearly four years you still don’t understand the league tbh. How many games did you enjoy when we got promoted? Half a dozen at a push? And I’m talking good performances not good results because the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand. It’s a grind, always has been and always will. Get the win and move on swiftly to the next one. I do. I thought you were on about football in general tbh. The Championship is indeed shite. However, I do think MON himself in his first season showed you can make it fun. And tbh this season has had some crackers. And most of the goals we have scored have been very good. Today was like last season but with a moment of magic thrown in. Hull are crap and I want to say they looked better but I’m not sure I believe that tbh but I don’t think they were far off. It was an odd game. We were never going to lose it but they got into better attacking areas far more often. But might as well have had me up front.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 1:42:50 GMT
You surely know we’ve got more than three injuries? Yes of course However if the website got ours wrong it's reasonable to assume they got others wrong too There is a bizarre agenda of unfounded negativity Today have seen that the manager would be under pressure if we are lose,that we have been lucky with our wins that the two defeats are a more accurate reflection than the five wins, we will only get 3 points in October and this nonsense that we are more susceptible to injuries Also: Brown is crap, Tymon has been found out, the midfield don't protect the defence, both keepers are dodgy and fuck knows what else For some people Stoke winning, and winning comfortably like today must come as a complete shock I like this assessment lordb. I personally am tired of reading general misery at a team who have been successful this season. We are not steamrolling the league, but it’s a damn site of an improvement than we have been since we got here. Last season we did well until Campbell got injured. The difference was that the most of our attack was based on Campbell. This year we are generally better than the opposition on the day and yet we still have our star striker to return. Even if he doesn’t come back like he was, if we keep up what we have been doing, we are still generally better than the teams we have played.
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Souttar
Sept 26, 2021 1:46:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2021 1:46:47 GMT
Yes of course However if the website got ours wrong it's reasonable to assume they got others wrong too There is a bizarre agenda of unfounded negativity Today have seen that the manager would be under pressure if we are lose,that we have been lucky with our wins that the two defeats are a more accurate reflection than the five wins, we will only get 3 points in October and this nonsense that we are more susceptible to injuries Also: Brown is crap, Tymon has been found out, the midfield don't protect the defence, both keepers are dodgy and fuck knows what else For some people Stoke winning, and winning comfortably like today must come as a complete shock I like this assessment lordb. I personally am tired of reading general misery at a team who have been successful this season. We are not steamrolling the league, but it’s a damn site of an improvement than we have been since we got here. Last season we did well until Campbell got injured. The difference was that the most of our attack was based on Campbell. This year we are generally better than the opposition on the day and yet we still have our star striker to return. Even if he doesn’t come back like he was, if we keep up what we have been doing, we are still generally better than the teams we have played. Is it too much to say we’ve regressed since we last played Hull at home? I mean I’m not sure why it’d be unfair but I’m sure loads of you will think of something. They’re still one of the worst sides in this league. So the measuring stick was pretty similar. The March 2020 Stoke side would imo beat this current one pretty easily. And last seasons.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 26, 2021 3:00:56 GMT
You surely know we’ve got more than three injuries? Yes of course However if the website got ours wrong it's reasonable to assume they got others wrong too There is a bizarre agenda of unfounded negativity Today have seen that the manager would be under pressure if we are lose,that we have been lucky with our wins that the two defeats are a more accurate reflection than the five wins, we will only get 3 points in October and this nonsense that we are more susceptible to injuries Also: Brown is crap, Tymon has been found out, the midfield don't protect the defence, both keepers are dodgy and fuck knows what else For some people Stoke winning, and winning comfortably like today must come as a complete shock I agree mate. Some people look for problems everywhere. Standard situations which happen at every club become points of intense speculation. Injuries are a part of football. An unpleasant part, at times a distressing part but a part all the same. And that's that.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 26, 2021 7:01:03 GMT
Yes of course However if the website got ours wrong it's reasonable to assume they got others wrong too There is a bizarre agenda of unfounded negativity Today have seen that the manager would be under pressure if we are lose,that we have been lucky with our wins that the two defeats are a more accurate reflection than the five wins, we will only get 3 points in October and this nonsense that we are more susceptible to injuries Also: Brown is crap, Tymon has been found out, the midfield don't protect the defence, both keepers are dodgy and fuck knows what else For some people Stoke winning, and winning comfortably like today must come as a complete shock I like this assessment lordb. I personally am tired of reading general misery at a team who have been successful this season. We are not steamrolling the league, but it’s a damn site of an improvement than we have been since we got here. Last season we did well until Campbell got injured. The difference was that the most of our attack was based on Campbell. This year we are generally better than the opposition on the day and yet we still have our star striker to return. Even if he doesn’t come back like he was, if we keep up what we have been doing, we are still generally better than the teams we have played. I think only when we see Sima and Campbell playing together (fingers crossed) will we really see how good we can be. We still haven’t seen our best 11 on the pitch yet. For me I’d say it’s Davies Ostigard Souttar Wilmott Allen Smith Vrancic Powell Tymon Campbell Sima
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Post by wherty on Sept 26, 2021 7:33:00 GMT
We are no different to any other club Not sure who else we've got (Fox?) but Souttar and Allen are both knocks which you can't legislate for. Allen's initial injury came playing for Wales. It then got aggravated against Huddersfield (I think) when he kicked the bottom of the other players boot. Nothing to do with Stokes training, physios, medical team etc.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 26, 2021 8:08:02 GMT
Surely Allen will miss the upcoming internationals? Same applies to Souttar
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Post by jeycov on Sept 26, 2021 8:09:45 GMT
We are no different to any other club A quick look at the Championship injury table says that only Reading currently have more players out injured than ourselves. Not all of those are injuries that have happened since the season began?
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Souttar
Sept 26, 2021 8:54:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 8:54:25 GMT
Apart from that ball over the top 1st half that beat him I thought he played very well again today and hopefully his injury is nothing to serious🤞 My perception was that this was the fault of the right CB (wilmot?) for being deeper than the other two.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 26, 2021 8:59:04 GMT
Apart from that ball over the top 1st half that beat him I thought he played very well again today and hopefully his injury is nothing to serious🤞 My perception was that this was the fault of the right CB (wilmot?) for being deeper than the other two. If you look at the replay Wilmot is definitely at fault playing their player on by miles.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 27, 2021 8:49:35 GMT
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 8:56:43 GMT
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 27, 2021 8:56:43 GMT
But that's dated 28th September 2020!
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 9:11:32 GMT
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Post by walrus on Sept 27, 2021 9:11:32 GMT
But that's dated 28th September 2020! It also features a player who currently plays in Qatar!
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 10:04:09 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 27, 2021 10:04:09 GMT
Unfortunately he’ll be gone in January, need to start looking for a replacement. Collins is not happy at Burnley, could get him back on loan.
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2021 11:03:32 GMT
Unfortunately he’ll be gone in January, need to start looking for a replacement. Collins is not happy at Burnley, could get him back on loan. Who has told you he'll be gone in January? be very surprised if that happened summer 2022 different story mind
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 11:24:40 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 27, 2021 11:24:40 GMT
Unfortunately he’ll be gone in January, need to start looking for a replacement. Collins is not happy at Burnley, could get him back on loan. Who has told you he'll be gone in January? be very surprised if that happened summer 2022 different story mind With his performances he’s not going be here much longer unless we go up. Collins would be the perfect replacement if we can get him back on loan.
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 11:26:12 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2021 11:26:12 GMT
Who has told you he'll be gone in January? be very surprised if that happened summer 2022 different story mind With his performances he’s not going be here much longer unless we go up. Collins would be the perfect replacement if we can get him back on loan. I see Can't see that in January Next summer yes of course
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Post by moon on Sept 27, 2021 11:27:17 GMT
Unfortunately he’ll be gone in January, need to start looking for a replacement. Collins is not happy at Burnley, could get him back on loan. I can't see why he'd go anywhere just yet, Souttar needs regular football and there is no better place for him this season than at the back for us. Collins left a season too early, he needed regular football too and he'd have been playing every game if he was in the Championship. I guess we needed the money, I'd welcome him back but we don't really need him right now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2021 11:29:02 GMT
No chance at all we'll sell him in January.
As lord says, if we don't go up, the summer could be a very different story sadly.
I don't think Collins expected to play this season with the captain Mee and Tarkowski in position. It was reported they were basically buying him a season early as a Tarkowski replacement as he's leaving on a Bosman.
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 11:29:50 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 27, 2021 11:29:50 GMT
Who has told you he'll be gone in January? be very surprised if that happened summer 2022 different story mind With his performances he’s not going be here much longer unless we go up. Collins would be the perfect replacement if we can get him back on loan. The transfer window closed four weeks ago. No one seemed to want him then so what’s changed?
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2021 11:36:19 GMT
With his performances he’s not going be here much longer unless we go up. Collins would be the perfect replacement if we can get him back on loan. The transfer window closed four weeks ago. No one seemed to want him then so what’s changed? Even more impressive and consistent performances
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 11:59:11 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 27, 2021 11:59:11 GMT
The transfer window closed four weeks ago. No one seemed to want him then so what’s changed? Even more impressive and consistent performances He’s not without fault defensively. He looks good, but he’s got a long way to go before he’s a PL standard defender in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2021 11:59:19 GMT
Still think he's a bit of a gamble for a PL club with the stuff he isn't so good at.
Will take a brave manager to sign him for the sort of money we will want.
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2021 12:07:04 GMT
Even more impressive and consistent performances He’s not without fault defensively. He looks good, but he’s got a long way to go before he’s a PL standard defender in my opinion. not seen any defensive faults , he's too good for this league however he's got a good contract & is playing for a good side every week, he'll not be pushing for a move just yet he should score some goals though
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2021 12:09:03 GMT
Still think he's a bit of a gamble for a PL club with the stuff he isn't so good at. Will take a brave manager to sign him for the sort of money we will want. what's he not good at? positioning, tackling, heading ,interceptions, reading of the game, calmness, leadership, passing, control of the ball it's all there
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2021 12:16:03 GMT
O'Neill said: "We'll wait and see whether Harry can train today. He's been with the medical team all morning. Mario similar but should be ok.
"We don't really anticipate any of the ones who missed Saturday to be available just yet. Fletch was with the medical team today out on the grass so hopefully that's the start of him making progress.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2021 12:16:25 GMT
Still think he's a bit of a gamble for a PL club with the stuff he isn't so good at. Will take a brave manager to sign him for the sort of money we will want. what's he not good at? positioning, tackling, heading ,interceptions, reading of the game, calmness, leadership, passing, control of the ball it's all there 1 on 1 vs players with fast feet. And like on Saturday, he got a bit lost and the ball over the top (but equally bad that situation from the midfield, Chester and Tymon).
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Souttar
Sept 27, 2021 12:17:50 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 27, 2021 12:17:50 GMT
He’s not without fault defensively. He looks good, but he’s got a long way to go before he’s a PL standard defender in my opinion. not seen any defensive faults , he's too good for this league however he's got a good contract & is playing for a good side every week, he'll not be pushing for a move just yet he should score some goals though Against the better forwards with decent movement he can switch off and I think top flight clubs have been put off so far by an alleged lack of pace but I’m not sure if that’s deceptive in a Shawcross type way due to his size.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 27, 2021 13:49:23 GMT
what's he not good at? positioning, tackling, heading ,interceptions, reading of the game, calmness, leadership, passing, control of the ball it's all there 1 on 1 vs players with fast feet. And like on Saturday, he got a bit lost and the ball over the top (but equally bad that situation from the midfield, Chester and Tymon). That ball over the top was 100% on Wilmot who'd dropped off 5 yards and played their forward onside. If he'd been up with Souttar their lad would have been 4 yards offside. I can't remember a nippy forward turning him inside out once this season. For a streak of piss he's got quite quick feet. Yes he makes mistakes and misjudgements but nothing that leaps out at you and some of his passing would be jizzed over if he was a Premier League midfielder and not just a Championship 'clogger'.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2021 13:56:54 GMT
1 on 1 vs players with fast feet. And like on Saturday, he got a bit lost and the ball over the top (but equally bad that situation from the midfield, Chester and Tymon). That ball over the top was 100% on Wilmot who'd dropped off 5 yards and played their forward onside. If he'd been up with Souttar their lad would have been 4 yards offside. I can't remember a nippy forward turning him inside out once this season. For a streak of piss he's got quite quick feet. Yes he makes mistakes and misjudgements but nothing that leaps out at you and some of his passing would be jizzed over if he was a Premier League midfielder and not just a Championship 'clogger'. Did he drop? Souttar stepped forward with no need I thought and without knowing Chester wasn't there. Tymon I thought needed to cover and cover the gap that Chester had left. I don't think he has at this level but when we've played the PL sides and I watched him against Spain for Aus too and he did. And that's the level he'd be at.
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