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Post by noustie on Sept 16, 2021 10:21:12 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 16, 2021 10:21:19 GMT
Let me see..
Penalty, yep you've seen em given and if Surridge hadn't leapt out of the way - it would have been an injured keeper rather than one saving a penalty. You have seen them not given also. Red Card, yep we've seen these time and time again given. Smith is out of control and studs are up - no complaints. Chaos - well, who knows. Ref had probably given up at that stage with the lack of football and just told people to piss off. But it was hardly 70s right hooks was it?
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Post by butlerstreetbertie on Sept 16, 2021 10:55:55 GMT
The penalty, the law states 'attempts' as well as actual contact, therefore as Surridge has to evade the tackle probably the right decision. Smith's red, as someone points out the ref took advice from the assistant who didn't appear to make another decision all night. My view, no contact from Smith's studs and he clearly won the ball but contact with his leg. Probably looked at the force at which he made the tackle and classed as 'excessive'. Lot's of refs would class this as an 'amber' so it could go both ways, me personally, a yellow. Touchline bust up - referee, had to do something but why 2 reds for us I don't know. Never saw the board go up, additional time never announced, ref just wanted to get himself off the pitch.
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Post by yyy on Sept 16, 2021 11:16:53 GMT
Nothing more than handbags, it happens in competitive professional sport, nothing to see here
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Post by westgatelakes on Sept 16, 2021 12:01:34 GMT
Ok there wasn't enough added time but i for one was glad to hear the final whistle as it was Barnsley doing the most pressing in the closing stages.
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Post by marwood on Sept 16, 2021 12:35:26 GMT
Im not one for discussing fighting and how 'hard' people are - juveline and should be left in the playground
But in real life, Holden WOULD HAVE BATTERED HIM SENSELESS AND WALKED OFF CASUALLY
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 16, 2021 12:49:44 GMT
A clear cut penalty to me! If Surridge doesn't jump the goalie would go straight through him. You shouldn't need to risk your health to get the penalty, should you!? I can understand why Smith got the red even though he is on the ball first, but he comes up with his studs and it is dangerous play without doubt. Certainly a yellow, but probably right to give the red as well. The handbags came as a result of their manager trying to stop us from starting the play quickly, and the moron who attacked Holden was the real culprit in my opinion. Never seen Rory so angry by the way!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 15:59:27 GMT
I find it baffling that people don't think that it was a red card. He went flying in studs up.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2021 16:01:08 GMT
I find it baffling that people don't think that it was a red card. He went flying in studs up. Did he bollocks,open your eyes man
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:01:44 GMT
I find it baffling that people don't think that it was a red card. He went flying in studs up. Did he bollocks,open your eyes man Perfectly wide open. Take off your red and white glasses.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2021 16:03:12 GMT
Did he bollocks,open your eyes man Perfectly wide open. Take off your red and white glasses. I’m as fair as fair can be and I’d have said exactly the same the other way round.Football is dead if refs send off players for that
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2021 16:10:51 GMT
Unfortunately Holden started it all by going into their technical area and pushing their assistant out of the way so I can see why he got sent off. In the end it all boils down to a weak ref who let them waste time on their own free kicks, throw ins and continually stop us taking things quickly by kicking the ball away. I reckon he forgot to stop his watch for the fracas so just added on the time they'd wasted. My bug bear is ref's who tap their watch to show they are adding on the time but that's not the point. They are doing it to slow down the momentum of the opposition and spoiling the game for fans. I don't go to football to watch a player stroll 50 yards to take a free kick and ask the linesman exactly which blade of grass to put the ball on before carefully placing it and rolling it about to make sure it's in exactly the right place. I can understand why Holden was so frustrated. I even suspect the gk aimed his clearance to the bench so they could keep the ball out of play for longer. The only thing Holden did was encroach and push the manager to get the ball. A yellow but not a red. It’s something that often happens without punishment. He got the red because of what happened afterwards. The guy who slapped him on the back of the head and the asst who completely lost it should have got reds. Didn’t see enough of what Delap did to comment on his. For Smiths red the reaction of the Barnsley player got him sent off. Going down like he’d had his leg broken. The refs performance in the second half was woeful total loss of control. The reason technical areas were introduced was to stop the benches confronting each other or the officials. A booking can be given for leaving your team's area so it follows that probably entering the opposition's area can be punished with a red especially when it sparks a melee like that. I am surprised that there weren't more Barnsley men sent off though and I'm still not sure what Rory did that was worse than punching someone. As technical areas are there to keep benches apart I am surprised that they don't have to be further apart as it seems some verbal slanging matches were going on before the handbags.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 16, 2021 16:19:16 GMT
Perfectly wide open. Take off your red and white glasses. I’m as fair as fair can be and I’d have said exactly the same the other way round.Football is dead if refs send off players for that I've seen it several times including live and I don't see it as a red card. I'm not even sure Smith touched him from the highlights I've seen. The ref was holding his ear as if he was getting advice from elsewhere before he reached for the red. The massive over reaction of the Barnsley players didn't help either. Didn't seem like it was high, out of control or even touch him with his studs. But if anyone's got any footage to contradict this I'm prepared to be convinced.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2021 16:20:23 GMT
With regard to Smith's red card, just watched the replay and it was clearly the liner who said something to the ref. Ridiculous decision. For 90 mins these liners can't even decide which way to give a throw in unless the ref tells them, then, all of a sudden, they are telling him to send someone off...ludicrous Assistant referees my arse, they are liners and not even doing that properly That linesman totally ignored the fact that the centre half grabbed hold of Brown's arm every time he received the ball, was getting abuse for it from the Tile Mountain so probably loved getting a Stoke player sent off. He was awful.
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Post by stokie63 on Sept 16, 2021 16:39:25 GMT
What pissed me off was the way their player 17 stayed down as if his leg had been amputated, then as soon as the decision was made he made a remarkable recovery the cheating twat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:55:05 GMT
Never a penalty. Never a red card. The fight was mildly amusing, in that it wasn't even a fight.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2021 17:07:46 GMT
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 16, 2021 17:14:29 GMT
The only thing Holden did was encroach and push the manager to get the ball. A yellow but not a red. It’s something that often happens without punishment. He got the red because of what happened afterwards. The guy who slapped him on the back of the head and the asst who completely lost it should have got reds. Didn’t see enough of what Delap did to comment on his. For Smiths red the reaction of the Barnsley player got him sent off. Going down like he’d had his leg broken. The refs performance in the second half was woeful total loss of control. The reason technical areas were introduced was to stop the benches confronting each other or the officials. A booking can be given for leaving your team's area so it follows that probably entering the opposition's area can be punished with a red especially when it sparks a melee like that. I am surprised that there weren't more Barnsley men sent off though and I'm still not sure what Rory did that was worse than punching someone. As technical areas are there to keep benches apart I am surprised that they don't have to be further apart as it seems some verbal slanging matches were going on before the handbags. Just have the technical areas opposite sides of the pitch. Problem solved!
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Post by callas12 on Sept 16, 2021 18:04:39 GMT
The reason technical areas were introduced was to stop the benches confronting each other or the officials. A booking can be given for leaving your team's area so it follows that probably entering the opposition's area can be punished with a red especially when it sparks a melee like that. I am surprised that there weren't more Barnsley men sent off though and I'm still not sure what Rory did that was worse than punching someone. As technical areas are there to keep benches apart I am surprised that they don't have to be further apart as it seems some verbal slanging matches were going on before the handbags. Just have the technical areas opposite sides of the pitch. Problem solved! They should give the opposition a dug out on opposite side of the pitch in the same fashion Sammy Chung had his own dug out at the Victoria Ground! Keeps potential warring factions at more than arms length then!
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 16, 2021 18:59:41 GMT
So that was "an ugly touch line melee?" Looked more like a Rugby scrum.
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Post by TheElusiveTramp on Sept 17, 2021 12:29:02 GMT
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 17, 2021 12:53:09 GMT
I thought the 3-game ban would have been reduced to 2... But then again, it is Stoke the F.A. were dealing with, so I should've known better I s'pose
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Sept 17, 2021 12:53:38 GMT
Looks like Delap got sent off for a "headbutt"... so that'll be a three match touchline ban. Holden's red card may get overturned though 🤔
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