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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 21, 2021 19:54:40 GMT
Bring him home MON for the defensive coaching set up Why not. He must have a future here in some capacity I hope Course he could just settle in the US with plenty of money and who could blame him. Be great to see him back coaching though.
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Post by a on Oct 21, 2021 20:07:30 GMT
Why not. He must have a future here in some capacity I hope Course he could just settle in the US with plenty of money and who could blame him. Be great to see him back coaching though. I’m not sure, suppose it depends on what him And his family fancy. I’d be very happy to settle over there but maybe he fancies coming back to stoke…. Can understand if he doesn’t 😂
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Post by franklin on Oct 21, 2021 20:17:15 GMT
Course he could just settle in the US with plenty of money and who could blame him. Be great to see him back coaching though. I’m not sure, suppose it depends on what him And his family fancy. I’d be very happy to settle over there but maybe he fancies coming back to stoke…. Can understand if he doesn’t 😂 I'm glad Smithy never managed us it very rarely ends well and I would have hated one of my all time hero's being tarnished and I feel the same way for Ryan.
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Post by a on Oct 21, 2021 20:57:05 GMT
I’m not sure, suppose it depends on what him And his family fancy. I’d be very happy to settle over there but maybe he fancies coming back to stoke…. Can understand if he doesn’t 😂 I'm glad Smithy never managed us it very rarely ends well and I would have hated one of my all time hero's being tarnished and I feel the same way for Ryan. I’m not suggesting management, certainly not yet, but would be nice to have him around, a bit like John Terry at villa, modern player who knows the game. Good place to learn the good and bad at stoke 😂
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Post by franklin on Oct 21, 2021 21:04:39 GMT
I'm glad Smithy never managed us it very rarely ends well and I would have hated one of my all time hero's being tarnished and I feel the same way for Ryan. I’m not suggesting management, certainly not yet, but would be nice to have him around, a bit like John Terry at villa, modern player who knows the game. Good place to learn the good and bad at stoke 😂 Oh I know you weren't I'm not sure I'd want him involved with coaching either I'd prefer him as an ambassador or some honoury role, I can see him being club president or such.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2021 22:21:43 GMT
It'll be a sad day for me when Ryan knocks it on the head, but we're definitely near. He was never the same after that back injury, was it Leicester at home? I seem to remember it being so innocuous, just landed very heavily on his standing leg which must have just jarred something. He broke his leg in pre season against Leicester is that’s what your thinking about? Almost certain it was Leicester at home where he did his back as well the first time. Might be wrong mind.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2021 22:25:47 GMT
It'll be a sad day for me when Ryan knocks it on the head, but we're definitely near. He was never the same after that back injury, was it Leicester at home? I seem to remember it being so innocuous, just landed very heavily on his standing leg which must have just jarred something. He broke his leg in pre season against Leicester is that’s what your thinking about? amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/25/ryan-shawcross-out-for-month-back-injury-stokeTurns out it was just another.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 22, 2021 7:42:18 GMT
Interesting read on Rowett
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 22, 2021 11:16:11 GMT
He broke his leg in pre season against Leicester is that’s what your thinking about? Almost certain it was Leicester at home where he did his back as well the first time. Might be wrong mind. It was definitely a home game as I commented to a mate that was how I did my back in.I had to have surgery also but it didn’t affect me as a player as I was still shit on my return.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 22, 2021 11:49:21 GMT
Interesting read on Rowett Great interview & some ideas as to what was going on within the confines of the club at that time. Love the way Ryan still says 'we' alot when referring to SCFC. Yes of course he spent most of his career & did have some great occasions and times with us but I love the way he has totally engrossed himself in us and clearly always will. Along the way we've done that to a few players and despite some having played more games for other clubs than us, once they've been at Stoke it becomes their home and we become part of their larger family! Johnny Walters, Liam Lawrence, Ricardo Fuller, Mama Sidibe, Andy Griffin, Wilko, Dicko, Bertie Biggins & George Berry to name but a few. Interesting that alot are players linked to our Premier League promotion campaign, TP definitely created the mentality that being at Stoke meant far more than simply being their employer at that time & I think that sometimes goes under the radar abit. Not only did TP create a winning and effective team on the field but he also created a dressing room harmony and togetherness we'll unlikely see again.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 22, 2021 12:13:11 GMT
At least we got him off the payroll at the right time! Great player for Stoke, but after the Leicester game where he broke his leg/ancle he was never going to be the same player again unfortunately. "at least we got him off the payroll at the right time" What an odd thing to say about one of the greatest and most loyal players to ever play for the club
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 22, 2021 14:41:12 GMT
At least we got him off the payroll at the right time! Great player for Stoke, but after the Leicester game where he broke his leg/ancle he was never going to be the same player again unfortunately. "at least we got him off the payroll at the right time" What an odd thing to say about one of the greatest and most loyal players to ever play for the club Still we couldn't afford paying him PL wages as we struggled with FFP, so I still think that was the only right thing to do. I was a fan of Ryan when he was fit and able to play, but paying him PL wages in our financial situation at the time was really something we couldn't keep doing for much longer.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2021 8:19:02 GMT
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Post by march4 on Oct 29, 2021 8:25:15 GMT
He broke his leg in pre season against Leicester is that’s what your thinking about? Almost certain it was Leicester at home where he did his back as well the first time. Might be wrong mind. Leicester away - he just sat on the ground and then walked off. At the time we were all mystified.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 29, 2021 8:41:38 GMT
Almost certain it was Leicester at home where he did his back as well the first time. Might be wrong mind. Leicester away - he just sat on the ground and then walked off. At the time we were all mystified. Games against Leicester sure weren’t kind for him (apart from the one where we sent them down and we went up!).
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 29, 2021 10:28:30 GMT
Here's Shawcross helping attach the promotion banner to the bus:
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 29, 2021 10:57:15 GMT
Almost certain it was Leicester at home where he did his back as well the first time. Might be wrong mind. Leicester away - he just sat on the ground and then walked off. At the time we were all mystified. I think that was the first proper sign wasn't it. I think I recall some story once about him having sugar injections in his back, but I think it was early on in his time with us when his growth and size were the problem. He played many, many games without an issue and then it just seemed the Leicester away was the start of the deterioration in his body. Nevertheless, what a top, top player and bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 10:57:33 GMT
Despite the fact that I do feel agents are not great for football, Pulis’ apparent treatment of Ryan in that interview does not sound great. Basically strongarmed a young boy into making the life decision that suited him before letting him speak to anyone else.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 29, 2021 10:58:10 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 29, 2021 13:44:41 GMT
Articles by former players are usually really banal and pointless. I'm pleasantly surprised in being able to say that I'm really enjoying reading what Ryan has to say.
I admit that it's as much about the things that go unsaid than the content itself, and the things left for the reader to infer. He clearly didn't think much of Rowett last week.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2021 14:06:19 GMT
Articles by former players are usually really banal and pointless. I'm pleasantly surprised in being able to say that I'm really enjoying reading what Ryan has to say. I admit that it's as much about the things that go unsaid than the content itself, and the things left for the reader to infer. He clearly didn't think much of Rowett last week. He's been refreshingly honest about Pulis, Hughes and Rowett, has been a really interesting to column to read, agree.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 29, 2021 19:32:52 GMT
Articles by former players are usually really banal and pointless. I'm pleasantly surprised in being able to say that I'm really enjoying reading what Ryan has to say. I admit that it's as much about the things that go unsaid than the content itself, and the things left for the reader to infer. He clearly didn't think much of Rowett last week. He's been refreshingly honest about Pulis, Hughes and Rowett, has been a really interesting to column to read, agree. Yes, he had all the usual platitudes about how he moulded him into the person he is today - which is probably true - but I thought it came through strongly that he really burned his bridges after leaving. In fact, the Pulis-Hughes spat seems to have seeped through to the whole squad. Goodness knows what both managers were telling their dressing rooms because I don't believe it was one way traffic by any means. Just look at how wound up Bojan got while on the bench. I can't wait to see his assessment of Jones, there could be enough in there to squeeze out a few publications in Psychology journals.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 29, 2021 23:47:46 GMT
He's been refreshingly honest about Pulis, Hughes and Rowett, has been a really interesting to column to read, agree. Yes, he had all the usual platitudes about how he moulded him into the person he is today - which is probably true - but I thought it came through strongly that he really burned his bridges after leaving. In fact, the Pulis-Hughes spat seems to have seeped through to the whole squad. Goodness knows what both managers were telling their dressing rooms because I don't believe it was one way traffic by any means. Just look at how wound up Bojan got while on the bench. I can't wait to see his assessment of Jones, there could be enough in there to squeeze out a few publications in Psychology journals. I don't think he'll go much further on recent activities as he'll probably want to come back here as manager at some point.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2021 11:17:31 GMT
Yes, he had all the usual platitudes about how he moulded him into the person he is today - which is probably true - but I thought it came through strongly that he really burned his bridges after leaving. In fact, the Pulis-Hughes spat seems to have seeped through to the whole squad. Goodness knows what both managers were telling their dressing rooms because I don't believe it was one way traffic by any means. Just look at how wound up Bojan got while on the bench. I can't wait to see his assessment of Jones, there could be enough in there to squeeze out a few publications in Psychology journals. I don't think he'll go much further on recent activities as he'll probably want to come back here as manager at some point. I hope he doesn't. Managers have a very short shelf life. How many genuine club heroes have the Vale appointed who have then been on the receiving end of terrible abuse? Foyle, Glover, Aspin off the top of my head...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2021 18:56:10 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 4, 2021 19:45:39 GMT
Oooh. I'm actually excited to read that, so hopefully it won't be a letdown! I thought we'd have to wait for Charlie Adam's autobiography to get the scoops on where it went wrong with Hughes, Rowett and Jones. We were very unlucky at times under Jones which didn't help, so I wonder if that'll be mentioned.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 5, 2021 8:59:53 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 9:35:09 GMT
Good read, and a fair summary of Jones' reign. To be clear his spell at Stoke was a disaster but he's obviously a good manager and despite people taking the piss out of his religious beliefs and his chest thumping a likeable guy around the club. But it failed around recruitment as simple as that, a dynamic diamond formation without the fullbacks and DM to play it was criminal beyond belief. If they were the players Jones actually wanted then his mind was clearly scrambled, if he got lumbered with them then the recruitment team failed him badly. Either way let's hope we've learned from it and it never happens again.......
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 5, 2021 10:00:29 GMT
‘The key will be to not get too high when we’re winning and not get too low when we’re losing.’
Someone should pin that quote to the top of the message board.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 5, 2021 13:00:13 GMT
Another really interesting article and marked contrast to his thoughts on Rowett and even, to an extent, Pulis.
The failure of Jones was a failure at all levels of the club from top to bottom. My feeling is that we will come to regret it over the coming years. His performance last year in taking comfortably the worst side in the division to finish just above the most expensively assembled squad in the history of the Championship was Manager of the Year stuff.
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