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Ince
Jan 16, 2022 15:22:48 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 16, 2022 15:22:48 GMT
Holden stressed what a good pro he is and how he's been one of the best trainers at the club since he came in. Can only be confidence-related stuff that has been the issue and blighted his time at the club. I think he was over confident in his first couple of seasons, thinking he should walk into this side, that's why he was lazy, and lazy players tend to get noticed more when things aren't going your way!!! Maybe, just maybe, know he's been out of the side for so long, and no other clubs have been scrambling for his signature, he's finally woken up to the fact you have to work OFF the ball as well???
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 16, 2022 15:48:49 GMT
Holden stressed what a good pro he is and how he's been one of the best trainers at the club since he came in. Can only be confidence-related stuff that has been the issue and blighted his time at the club. I think he was over confident in his first couple of seasons, thinking he should walk into this side, that's why he was lazy, and lazy players tend to get noticed more when things aren't going your way!!! Maybe, just maybe, know he's been out of the side for so long, and no other clubs have been scrambling for his signature, he's finally woken up to the fact you have to work OFF the ball as well??? I think a lot of the squad were too confident in our first Championship season post-relegation, and Ince was one our better players that season for me. But I felt his confidence dropped like a bomb and that he wasn't enjoying his time at the club, which is totally understandable given the shambles and malaise about the place. He looked decent earlier this season, and I'm glad he's getting a run in the side. Hopefully he can keep this form up till the end of the season.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 16, 2022 15:51:35 GMT
I’ve never quite understood the accusation that Ince is lazy? It’s a bit like when folk used to batter Arnie for the same thing. Ince isn’t lazy, he’s been sadly lacking in the end product of assists and goals that we signed him to provide.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 16, 2022 16:02:25 GMT
I’ve never quite understood the accusation that Ince is lazy? It’s a bit like when folk used to batter Arnie for the same thing. Ince isn’t lazy, he’s been sadly lacking in the end product of assists and goals that we signed him to provide. Not sure I would say lazy but always thought he lacked a bit of bottle. Don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting him to tear around putting in tackles all over the place but he always struck me as a bit of a fanny for a bloke his size. The games I’ve seen him this season he’s been putting a foot in and being a bit harder to knock off the ball. I’ve been a huge critic of his and today he’s made me look stupid and that’s great!
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Post by salfordstokie on Jan 16, 2022 16:02:45 GMT
Where was this Tom Ince 2/3 years ago!? Looked more like the player we thought we were signing back in 2018. You'd have to say we would be daft to let him leave on this form.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 16, 2022 16:25:22 GMT
He is playing in a much different position in the last two games in my view. More central and deeper. It allows him to go right or left rather than the predictable cut inside. I prefer him as a deep number 10 or an advanced 8, I've never liked him out wide he gets in the way of the fullback and his tracking back isn't good there. I know that's where he's advertised to play and maybe when he was younger it made sense. Interesting today I thought Clucas played wider and that helped Ince. If anyone has one of those heatmap things of him today I'd be interested to see it perhaps it just looked that way. I just can't see how we keep him there with Vrancic, Sawyers and Powell fit. Edit found one here: Compare Ince and Clucas www.goal.com/en-gh/match/hull-city-v-stoke-city/commentary-result/4mnjgsnxnjs9528e2sxlo1mvo
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 16, 2022 17:34:24 GMT
I’ve never quite understood the accusation that Ince is lazy? It’s a bit like when folk used to batter Arnie for the same thing. Ince isn’t lazy, he’s been sadly lacking in the end product of assists and goals that we signed him to provide. Not sure I would say lazy but always thought he lacked a bit of bottle. Don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting him to tear around putting in tackles all over the place but he always struck me as a bit of a fanny for a bloke his size. The games I’ve seen him this season he’s been putting a foot in and being a bit harder to knock off the ball. I’ve been a huge critic of his and today he’s made me look stupid and that’s great! I've never thought he was lazy or that he didn't care (another accusation levelled at him on the Oatcake), but I think that bottle partly comes from confidence. He lacked a bit of bottle in the first place, and his loss of confidence led to that showing up even more. And I'm not criticising him for lacking a bit of bottle at times - no one can be perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 19:18:54 GMT
I think he is an annoying player
In terms of technical ability, he should be a premier League squad player ( 4 or 5 starts a season ?)
Or a championship first team player ( 20 plus starts a season )
He is neither , he is a squad player at stoke city , and that says a lot for someone with his ability on the ball
Fair play , today he was good
But for someone with his ability , being a squad player at stoke city suggests to an outsider , that something is amiss
Hopefully he will prove the sceptics wrong , but few will be surprised if he doesn't
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2022 21:29:35 GMT
I thought he was outstanding today. Work rate was exceptional, always looking to get involved in the play. Intelligent play throughout. Excellent goal.
He's got to stay in the team on his recent performances.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 16, 2022 22:47:51 GMT
I think If Ince can keep playing like this then he’s at last showing us how good he is. I’ve heard a lot of the players saying he’s really good, but we’ve rarely seen it on match day until now. He always seemed happy to be marked and when he did get the ball he’d look great for a few strides but as has been said before no end product. N Now he looks like a man on a mission …..I gotta say I’m liking the new Ince.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 16, 2022 23:02:57 GMT
Thought he was our MOM today, tackled back, worked his bollocks off and took his goal superbly. Frustrating as fuck though, it could be another 12 months before we see another like performance.
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 0:16:29 GMT
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Post by meggeth on Jan 17, 2022 0:16:29 GMT
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 0:22:30 GMT
Post by hotpot on Jan 17, 2022 0:22:30 GMT
Good 2-0 win against a semi-paralysed Hull side. Now maybe some other club might buy Ince.
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 0:30:10 GMT
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Post by pb1863 on Jan 17, 2022 0:30:10 GMT
Couldn’t fault his or anybody in the midfield’s workfare . Excellent team effort
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 0:35:10 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2022 0:35:10 GMT
Where was this Tom Ince 2/3 years ago!? Looked more like the player we thought we were signing back in 2018. You'd have to say we would be daft to let him leave on this form. He's played well for the last couple of weeks. but he's played poorly for the last couple of years before that- It's got to be taking more than a fine performance against a very weak Hull team to earn another contract. Let's see if he's still at the races when Powell returns and claims the spot Ince was in today. Then we'll see if Tom still is keeping up appearences.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 17, 2022 7:00:37 GMT
It's almost as if his gravy train is coming into the station isn't it?
I mean who knew that when a footballer is coming out of contract, and a good contract at that, he starts to perform?
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Post by oldschool on Jan 17, 2022 9:35:03 GMT
It's almost as if his gravy train is coming into the station isn't it? I mean who knew that when a footballer is coming out of contract, and a good contract at that, he starts to perform? Wow! So you call yourself a ‘supporter’ yeah? Ince was a scapegoat for a long time. Yes his decision making has been truly shit in the past few seasons and has appeared to be lazy. However go back to that first season after relegation, how many of those players are still starting for us? It’s easy to lay blame at one man’s door! He seems a confidence player. The atmosphere around the bet365 until more recently have been shit since late 2016! That’s nearly 6 fucking years. That’s toxic for anyone! Now when Ince has come on as a sub he’s trying to make things happen and forced his way in to the starting line up. The players had already said that in training, Ince is the best at the club. Now it’s showing on the pitch! Why the fucking hell are we having this debate? We have a player who’s literally championship royalty and people still have their own agendas! You honestly couldn’t make this shit up! I am more than happy with his performances and long May it continue! Absolutely no agenda, maybe, just maybe his confidence is back, he’s enjoying his football and it’s now showing?
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 10:02:03 GMT
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Post by stokie223 on Jan 17, 2022 10:02:03 GMT
He's been superb of late, which is fantastic. I think the position he played in yesterday suited him much better and he was involved in almost all of our positive play.
I think it's difficult to ignore the last 2-3 years, however, when someone has cost c. £12m and played almost 100 matches for you. Previously I have seen someone with plenty of ability seemingly lack the desire and/or bottle to really flourish. He's had more than enough chances in my eyes and never really delivered.
'One swallow doesn't make a summer' and all that, but it was certainly encouraging and he deserves a run in the team based on his recent performances. I have reservations but I really, really, really hope he makes me eat my words.
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 10:12:17 GMT
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Post by BuckRogers on Jan 17, 2022 10:12:17 GMT
He had a decent game, against probably the worst championship team I've seen in a long time. See how he performs against Fulham. For me he disappears too much when playing.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 17, 2022 10:13:56 GMT
It's almost as if his gravy train is coming into the station isn't it? I mean who knew that when a footballer is coming out of contract, and a good contract at that, he starts to perform? Wow! So you call yourself a ‘supporter’ yeah? Ince was a scapegoat for a long time. Yes his decision making has been truly shit in the past few seasons and has appeared to be lazy. However go back to that first season after relegation, how many of those players are still starting for us? It’s easy to lay blame at one man’s door! He seems a confidence player. The atmosphere around the bet365 until more recently have been shit since late 2016! That’s nearly 6 fucking years. That’s toxic for anyone! Now when Ince has come on as a sub he’s trying to make things happen and forced his way in to the starting line up. The players had already said that in training, Ince is the best at the club. Now it’s showing on the pitch! Why the fucking hell are we having this debate? We have a player who’s literally championship royalty and people still have their own agendas! You honestly couldn’t make this shit up! I am more than happy with his performances and long May it continue! Absolutely no agenda, maybe, just maybe his confidence is back, he’s enjoying his football and it’s now showing? Supporter of 30+ years, home and away. I'll be here long after Tom Ince has rinsed the club of his vast salary and disappeared off into the sunset, and I was here long before he came too. Fair play to him for finally stepping up to the mark for a few games but lets not pretend it's confidence or any other bollocks. It's because he needs a new deal here or elsewhere and he's finally woken up to the fact that Luton Town, where he ended up last January, might actually be one of the better options he ends up with.
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Ince
Jan 17, 2022 10:20:04 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 17, 2022 10:20:04 GMT
Wow! So you call yourself a ‘supporter’ yeah? Ince was a scapegoat for a long time. Yes his decision making has been truly shit in the past few seasons and has appeared to be lazy. However go back to that first season after relegation, how many of those players are still starting for us? It’s easy to lay blame at one man’s door! He seems a confidence player. The atmosphere around the bet365 until more recently have been shit since late 2016! That’s nearly 6 fucking years. That’s toxic for anyone! Now when Ince has come on as a sub he’s trying to make things happen and forced his way in to the starting line up. The players had already said that in training, Ince is the best at the club. Now it’s showing on the pitch! Why the fucking hell are we having this debate? We have a player who’s literally championship royalty and people still have their own agendas! You honestly couldn’t make this shit up! I am more than happy with his performances and long May it continue! Absolutely no agenda, maybe, just maybe his confidence is back, he’s enjoying his football and it’s now showing? Supporter of 30+ years, home and away. I'll be here long after Tom Ince has rinsed the club of his vast salary and disappeared off into the sunset, and I was here long before he came too. Fair play to him for finally stepping up to the mark for a few games but lets not pretend it's confidence or any other bollocks. It's because he needs a new deal here or elsewhere and he's finally woken up to the fact that Luton Town, where he ended up last January, might actually be one of the better options he ends up with. Correct and as well as he played yesterday we are daft enough to give him one .
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 13:32:33 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2022 13:32:33 GMT
Wow! So you call yourself a ‘supporter’ yeah? Ince was a scapegoat for a long time. Yes his decision making has been truly shit in the past few seasons and has appeared to be lazy. However go back to that first season after relegation, how many of those players are still starting for us? It’s easy to lay blame at one man’s door! He seems a confidence player. The atmosphere around the bet365 until more recently have been shit since late 2016! That’s nearly 6 fucking years. That’s toxic for anyone! Now when Ince has come on as a sub he’s trying to make things happen and forced his way in to the starting line up. The players had already said that in training, Ince is the best at the club. Now it’s showing on the pitch! Why the fucking hell are we having this debate? We have a player who’s literally championship royalty and people still have their own agendas! You honestly couldn’t make this shit up! I am more than happy with his performances and long May it continue! Absolutely no agenda, maybe, just maybe his confidence is back, he’s enjoying his football and it’s now showing? Supporter of 30+ years, home and away. I'll be here long after Tom Ince has rinsed the club of his vast salary and disappeared off into the sunset, and I was here long before he came too. Fair play to him for finally stepping up to the mark for a few games but lets not pretend it's confidence or any other bollocks. It's because he needs a new deal here or elsewhere and he's finally woken up to the fact that Luton Town, where he ended up last January, might actually be one of the better options he ends up with. To be fair to Ince, he lost form under MON, but he always tracked back. His reputation here was hampered by the fact that he didn’t used to do this prior to MON and that his efforts never matched those of McClean. Ince has one major asset, shooting from outside the box. When he’s in form and they go in, he is a major asset. Otherwise he isn’t. For most of his time here, we haven’t played a formation we can use him in/they wanted to use him in. I desperately hope his form continues (as we need it to). If it does, I’m sure we will offer him a new contract on much reduced terms. I’m also fairly sure he will reject it and be playing for Newcastle (or Burnley) next season.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 13:40:27 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 18, 2022 13:40:27 GMT
If he continues playing well and scoring, a new deal at on reduced terms would seem prudent. For that money, we are unlikely to get any better value with a proven championship scoring record. Over to you Tom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 13:43:25 GMT
I’ve never quite understood the accusation that Ince is lazy? It’s a bit like when folk used to batter Arnie for the same thing. Ince isn’t lazy, he’s been sadly lacking in the end product of assists and goals that we signed him to provide. Same here, he's always looked to me like he's putting the work in. Like you say, he's just been woeful on the creativity side of things other than the odd game here and there.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 13:45:35 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 18, 2022 13:45:35 GMT
It's almost as if his gravy train is coming into the station isn't it? I mean who knew that when a footballer is coming out of contract, and a good contract at that, he starts to perform? You could also see this mentality when he was starting regularly a couple of years ago. Having done bugger all before, from about 60 minutes he would run his bollocks off chasing everything, taking his man on and generally being the player we thought we were getting. It was almost as if he knew that our substitutions were normally made on 70 minutes. I’m happy that he’s eventually stepped back up to the plate but I’m under no illusion it’s anything other than a means of getting a contract renewal here or a move away somewhere else.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 14:00:53 GMT
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Post by apb1 on Jan 18, 2022 14:00:53 GMT
There's always a sense with some people that they'd rather an objectively bad thing happen (Ince to turn out useless) than a good one (he fires us to promotion ) just because it would confirm an opinion formed a while ago. I'd love it if he got good, and I did think he's been awful for us at times. However, even as late as WBA when we won away in MON's first season, he made the goal on a plate for Tyrese, and in our first season down he was the only one of the new signings who looked anywhere near what we thought we were getting. He's got a football brain, is quite quick, and can finish. Three things which could be great if we can exploit them for 10-15 appearances at the business end of the season
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 14:12:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:12:12 GMT
O'Neill has always spoken well of him and not given up. Good to see his faith in him paying off and him scoring goals. Seems to have a few noses out of joint though. Personally just pleased he's playing as well as he is.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 14:21:49 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 18, 2022 14:21:49 GMT
Obviously he can only play centrally in the 3412 we’ve played quite regularly so the question is what we do with him when Powell is fit?
Allen, Clucas, Thompson, Baker, Sawyers, Vrancic, Powell, Ince.
That’s a lot of competition for 3 positions. Of course some can play both in the 2 DM/CM and the one CAM.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 14:36:18 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 18, 2022 14:36:18 GMT
I think he's a classic example of how confidence effects players. In his first season it seemed as if every shot he had on target either got blocked or deflected not always intentionally. Then he started trying too hard to get his shots in the corners and started missing the target and I seem to remember a shot that looked like a certain goal being stopped by an outstanding save. You could almost see the frustration on his face and his body language was far from cocky, it was really down. He didn't seem to enjoy playing and didn't talk to other players but because of the pro he is he kept himself trying. Now having had a break from the limelight he is smiling again, talking to players, enjoying celebrating, in other words his confidence is back and if things go wrong on the field he can shrug his shoulders and get on with it. If he has got over his confidence crisis I would definitely like to see him here for another two seasons. It would be nice to think he's found a home here as I always felt sorry for him being touted around clubs by his dad. Contrast that to the Campbell and Wright Phillips families. It must have been hard for Ince having to live up to his dad's hype and moving on to another club every two or three years.
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Ince
Jan 18, 2022 15:11:32 GMT
Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2022 15:11:32 GMT
There's always a sense with some people that they'd rather an objectively bad thing happen (Ince to turn out useless) than a good one (he fires us to promotion ) just because it would confirm an opinion formed a while ago. I'd love it if he got good, and I did think he's been awful for us at times. However, even as late as WBA when we won away in MON's first season, he made the goal on a plate for Tyrese, and in our first season down he was the only one of the new signings who looked anywhere near what we thought we were getting. He's got a football brain, is quite quick, and can finish. Three things which could be great if we can exploit them for 10-15 appearances at the business end of the season agreed fair play to Ince he's kept going & earned his place just don't play him wide ever again!
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