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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 12, 2021 9:25:28 GMT
Surely there has to be something in the rules about this?
Stuttered run ups, hop skip and jump run ups, running on the spot run ups.
Its like watching a David Attenborough series on mating birds doing the dance to attract a mate.
About time we went back to days of old, where you ran up to it at top speed without breaking your stride and leather the ball as hard as possible, hoping that the net will prevent anyone behind the goal from being seriously injured.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2021 9:33:10 GMT
I don't get why they all started so straight either?
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Post by bucknall67 on Jul 12, 2021 9:40:04 GMT
Rashford didn't,he took about 3 steps to the left then started to run as though he was going to leather it then got the football equivalent of the yips.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 12, 2021 9:45:50 GMT
Should be banned. Rules should be set that a player has to maintain a constant speed on entering the penalty box on the 18 yd line and up to the ball. Any significant speeding or slowing down equates to a voided penalty. It would stop all the messing about.
Or they could make it interesting and do blind fold football for the taker and keeper using a ball with bells in it. It would all be in slow motion and entertaining to watch. Who hears best wins.😂
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 12, 2021 9:53:28 GMT
When I had trials I was taught that the speed of the ball plays a significant part in whther a keepr improves his chances of saving it.
Take Sakas and Maguires penalties as examples
Maguire absolutely leathered it straight into the top corner. The speed of the ball diminished Donnarumas chances of getting a hnad to it.
Sakas penalty was considerably weaker and with curl on it. Vital split seconds are at stake here and the trajectory of the ball can be read a little easier.
In simple terms, pick a corner and leather it with everything youve got.
Its a proper shit way to lose but it takes balls to step up in those situations.
Rashford, Sancho and Saka shouldnt be pilloried for this.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 12, 2021 9:58:53 GMT
When I had trials I was taught that the speed of the ball plays a significant part in whther a keepr improves his chances of saving it. Take Sakas and Maguires penalties as examples Maguire absolutely leathered it straight into the top corner. The speed of the ball diminished Donnarumas chances of getting a hnad to it. Sakas penalty was considerably weaker and with curl on it. Vital split seconds are at stake here and the trajectory of the ball can be read a little easier. In simple terms, pick a corner and leather it with everything youve got. Its a proper shit way to lose but it takes balls to step up in those situations. Rashford, Sancho and Saka shouldnt be pilloried for this. Rashford just took his penalty the way he always does, he waited for the keeper to go the wrong way but unfortunately his connection wasn't clean. The other two just looked nervous as hell and Donnarumma must have looked 10 foot tall as they ran up, I think in that situation just go for sheer power............... |
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Post by franklin on Jul 12, 2021 10:01:21 GMT
Harry's penalty was one of the best I've ever seen bravo Harry 👏 take note the rest.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Jul 12, 2021 10:05:38 GMT
When I had trials I was taught that the speed of the ball plays a significant part in whther a keepr improves his chances of saving it. Take Sakas and Maguires penalties as examples Maguire absolutely leathered it straight into the top corner. The speed of the ball diminished Donnarumas chances of getting a hnad to it. Sakas penalty was considerably weaker and with curl on it. Vital split seconds are at stake here and the trajectory of the ball can be read a little easier. In simple terms, pick a corner and leather it with everything youve got. Its a proper shit way to lose but it takes balls to step up in those situations. Rashford, Sancho and Saka shouldnt be pilloried for this. The social media abuse is appalling and its ridiculous the abuse pro sports people receive on these platforms. Rashford’s penalty was embarrassing. Yes, it’s great to have the courage to step up and take a penalty, but he’s a professional sportsman, stepping up to do a job for the team and frankly, that penalty wasn’t professional. The other 2 were down to the manager. Calm head and then totally goes to mush near the end. Bonkers decision to make a double sub before a corner and then to ask 2 players to take penalties having not touched the ball at all. Compound that with asking 2 teenagers with no previous international experience to take 2 pressure penalties despite not being accomplished penalty takers. Was asking to lose! |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 12, 2021 10:12:24 GMT
I don’t get why they can’t just run up to the ball normally.
God knows what rashford was thinking that was a terrible run up
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 12, 2021 10:19:41 GMT
I don’t get why they can’t just run up to the ball normally. God knows what rashford was thinking that was a terrible run up It worked. The keeper committed and he just had to roll it in. Unfortunately he overcooked it due to the pressure. As did Jorginio. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 12, 2021 10:23:37 GMT
When I had trials I was taught that the speed of the ball plays a significant part in whther a keepr improves his chances of saving it. Take Sakas and Maguires penalties as examples Maguire absolutely leathered it straight into the top corner. The speed of the ball diminished Donnarumas chances of getting a hnad to it. Sakas penalty was considerably weaker and with curl on it. Vital split seconds are at stake here and the trajectory of the ball can be read a little easier. In simple terms, pick a corner and leather it with everything youve got. Its a proper shit way to lose but it takes balls to step up in those situations. Rashford, Sancho and Saka shouldnt be pilloried for this. The social media abuse is appalling and its ridiculous the abuse pro sports people receive on these platforms. Rashford’s penalty was embarrassing. Yes, it’s great to have the courage to step up and take a penalty, but he’s a professional sportsman, stepping up to do a job for the team and frankly, that penalty wasn’t professional. The other 2 were down to the manager. Calm head and then totally goes to mush near the end. Bonkers decision to make a double sub before a corner and then to ask 2 players to take penalties having not touched the ball at all. Compound that with asking 2 teenagers with no previous international experience to take 2 pressure penalties despite not being accomplished penalty takers. Was asking to lose! I don't think coming on at that point and missing the penalty had much to do with it. By that logic Jorginho should definitely have scored, but he missed and he had been on the pitch for 120 minutes and never usually misses penalties and has a ridiculous run up. It happens. If Rashford's pen had been 6 inches the other way its a masterstroke. All if, buts and maybes. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 12, 2021 11:49:36 GMT
I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on the percentage chance you have of scoring with different techniques?
Pick right or left and thump the damn thing as hard as you can surely gives you a better chance than trying to place it either side.
The way I see it, if you sidefoot a penalty, then unless you get it right in the corner, the keeper has at least a 50/50 chance of saving it based on him guessing the right/wrong way, and even better if he's able to read the way the taker's going (Sorenson used to be brilliant at that for Stoke). However, if you twat it as hard as you can, then even if the keeper goes the right way, there's still a good chance he'll be beaten by the speed of the ball. The odd one will fly over the bar, but it's still a much better method.
Donnorumma is what 6'5?, Even the penalty Kane took, which was thumped and aimed right into the corner, he got pretty close to. You'd have hoped that this supposedly meticulous preparation England do now for penalties would have identified that a keeper with the reach he's got would love to face a couple of wimpy side-footers...even if they're well-placed he'll have a great chance of getting to them just because of his size.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 12, 2021 11:54:44 GMT
Keepers have restrictions put on them, why not the taker?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:14:35 GMT
Surely there has to be something in the rules about this? Stuttered run ups, hop skip and jump run ups, running on the spot run ups. Its like watching a David Attenborough series on mating birds doing the dance to attract a mate. About time we went back to days of old, where you ran up to it at top speed without breaking your stride and leather the ball as hard as possible, hoping that the net will prevent anyone behind the goal from being seriously injured. It used to be banned, right? I remember a Champions League Final where they were forced to retake because of a stuttered run up. |
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Post by theoptimist on Jul 12, 2021 12:58:47 GMT
Surely there has to be something in the rules about this? Stuttered run ups, hop skip and jump run ups, running on the spot run ups. Its like watching a David Attenborough series on mating birds doing the dance to attract a mate. About time we went back to days of old, where you ran up to it at top speed without breaking your stride and leather the ball as hard as possible, hoping that the net will prevent anyone behind the goal from being seriously injured. It used to be banned, right? I remember a Champions League Final where they were forced to retake because of a stuttered run up. Yes. I remember John Aldridge using it for Tranmere back in 90s before it was outlawed. Not sure when current law came in. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 12, 2021 13:14:56 GMT
I don’t get why they can’t just run up to the ball normally. God knows what rashford was thinking that was a terrible run up This was Rashford, in the 93rd minute to take his team through to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League against Buffon after a 2 minute delay and a load of spoiling tactics from the PSG players. Note in his career he has taken 19 penalties including last night and missed 3, most of his successes have come using the same technique: He did exactly what he wanted to last night by committing Donnarumma to go the wrong way, unfortunately his contact wasn't clean and he scuffed it slightly against the post. It happens...... |
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Post by Widget123 on Jul 12, 2021 13:16:18 GMT
For me its all about perception.
A player picking a spot and doing a quick run up and shot gets plaudits for scoring and commiserations for the percentage of time the goalie guesses correctly and saves it.
A player doing an impression of a duck, with heavy shopping, desperately in need of a piss scoring looks arrogant and when they miss or the goalie saves it they look like a cock.
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Post by desman2 on Jul 12, 2021 13:47:17 GMT
They do it also in front of an open goal too. How many times do you see a player with an open shot rather than leather it try to side foot it usually straight at the keeper. Seen our own players do it
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Post by AlliG on Jul 12, 2021 14:25:36 GMT
Surely there has to be something in the rules about this? Stuttered run ups, hop skip and jump run ups, running on the spot run ups. Its like watching a David Attenborough series on mating birds doing the dance to attract a mate. About time we went back to days of old, where you ran up to it at top speed without breaking your stride and leather the ball as hard as possible, hoping that the net will prevent anyone behind the goal from being seriously injured. It used to be banned, right? I remember a Champions League Final where they were forced to retake because of a stuttered run up. The relevant part of Law 14 states that play will be stopped and restarted with an indirect free kick will be awarded "feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker " So that is as clear as mud then.  Basically the only thing you can't do is to pause while you are in the process of kicking the ball. |
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Post by onionman on Jul 12, 2021 14:53:10 GMT
Why is it that whenever an opposing player does the stuttering run-up against Stoke or England, they never ever miss? Watching it is always a long, agonising death as our keeper slowly slumps the wrong way and the ball trickles safely into the net, and the stuttering run-up bloke smugly runs away wagging his finger in the air.
Yet whenever you see an England player try it, you know with cast iron certainty he's going to miss.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 12, 2021 14:59:24 GMT
The best technique nowadays, by far, is Rashford and Jorginho's - wait for the keeper to go and roll it the other side. The leather it technique is a nice idea but you're far more likely to blast it over or wide, or for the keeper to get in the way of it. But it takes nerves of steel and flawless technique, and the intense pressure of a final can disrupt that.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 12, 2021 15:02:04 GMT
Why is it that whenever an opposing player does the stuttering run-up against Stoke or England, they never ever miss? Watching it is always a long, agonising death as our keeper slowly slumps the wrong way and the ball trickles safely into the net, and the stuttering run-up bloke smugly runs away wagging his finger in the air. Yet whenever you see an England player try it, you know with cast iron certainty he's going to miss. Jorginho missed last night |
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Post by onionman on Jul 12, 2021 15:07:39 GMT
Why is it that whenever an opposing player does the stuttering run-up against Stoke or England, they never ever miss? Watching it is always a long, agonising death as our keeper slowly slumps the wrong way and the ball trickles safely into the net, and the stuttering run-up bloke smugly runs away wagging his finger in the air. Yet whenever you see an England player try it, you know with cast iron certainty he's going to miss. Jorginho missed last night Oh yeh. |
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Post by baystokie on Jul 12, 2021 15:08:01 GMT
Should be banned. Rules should be set that a player has to maintain a constant speed on entering the penalty box on the 18 yd line and up to the ball. Any significant speeding or slowing down equates to a voided penalty. It would stop all the messing about. Or they could make it interesting and do blind fold football for the taker and keeper using a ball with bells in it. It would all be in slow motion and entertaining to watch. Who hears best wins.😂 'Any significant speeding up or slowing down' - what is 'significant' how do you measure it and who does the measuring? Similarly. 'maintain a constant speed' - how do you check if it's constant and who does the checking? We already have arguments over VAR and it's interpretation - how many extra 4th, 5th and 6th referees are needed for such rule checks? As with many rule change suggestions, they often sound reasonable until you get into the specifics of the rule proposed. The devil is always in the detail |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 12, 2021 15:52:07 GMT
Rashford didn't,he took about 3 steps to the left then started to run as though he was going to leather it then got the football equivalent of the yips. I thought the pub TV had flicked over to Saturday Night Fever. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 12, 2021 16:32:47 GMT
I don’t get why they can’t just run up to the ball normally. God knows what rashford was thinking that was a terrible run up This was Rashford, in the 93rd minute to take his team through to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League against Buffon after a 2 minute delay and a load of spoiling tactics from the PSG players. Note in his career he has taken 19 penalties including last night and missed 3, most of his successes have come using the same technique: He did exactly what he wanted to last night by committing Donnarumma to go the wrong way, unfortunately his contact wasn't clean and he scuffed it slightly against the post. It happens...... Fair enough. But the run up wasn’t quite as bad as last night. Just to add that I know pens are scored and missed I’m just not a fan of them sort of run ups. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 12, 2021 16:34:32 GMT
I don’t get why they can’t just run up to the ball normally. God knows what rashford was thinking that was a terrible run up It worked. The keeper committed and he just had to roll it in. Unfortunately he overcooked it due to the pressure. As did Jorginio. But it didn’t work he missed. I’m just saying I’m not a fan of that sort of run up that’s all |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2021 17:31:24 GMT
Maguire and Kane showed how penalties and surprise surprise they both scored. The rest bottled it.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 12, 2021 21:16:48 GMT
The Rashford penalty is as bad as any other I've witnessed in international football, if he'd have buried it the pressure would have been less for Sancho and Saka and more on the Italians. Gouranga.  |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2021 22:25:48 GMT
If everyone started to just "run up fast and twat it" I think there would be a parallel universe where we are saying why don't we start using more technique and guile in our penalties |
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