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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 21:49:16 GMT
Saka looked impressive v CR and deserves to start. The only one with any creativity. England have scored twice and to be fair they haven't looked like scoring any more. We've seen what Germany can do in one game despite not being their greatest team,. Tough one to call. Grealish was creative,and we have hit the post 3 times with very good chances, so those two statements are off the mark. Yes we have been well below our best, but your constant down putting of our national side is really tiresome mate. I'm not too sure exactly what it is that you don't like about the English football team but you come across like you have a real dislike for us for some reason. Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses
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Post by thehoof on Jun 24, 2021 22:29:30 GMT
I agree with Jesus. I said at the start of a similar thread that we have a talented squad, but that it could be held back by Southgate’s negative tactics. Our problem may come if we fall behind - especially if it’s only with something like 20 minutes to go, because it isn’t easy for a team to shake off the way it has been set up to play over the previous 6 or 7 games. Germany are not the force that they were, apart from the Portugal game they’ve been poor for several games now, but if our approach is to try and eke out a one goal to nil victory, we do run a fair chance of coming unstuck. When you look at how the draw has fallen, Germany eminently beatable with the right approach, and then there is a great chance to reach the final. I don’t think Jesus was being negative or anti the team, he’s raised a genuine concern that Southgate’s conclusion from his studies of successful recent tournament winning teams is that they were built on defence- France scored 4 in the World Cup Final!
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Post by steinosjockstrap on Jun 24, 2021 22:34:23 GMT
Grealish was creative,and we have hit the post 3 times with very good chances, so those two statements are off the mark. Yes we have been well below our best, but your constant down putting of our national side is really tiresome mate. I'm not too sure exactly what it is that you don't like about the English football team but you come across like you have a real dislike for us for some reason. Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses 2 goals in 3 games scored, I reckon there is a good chance we will have to score at least 2 in this game. I can't see us keeping a clean sheet. Another worry is that in the 3 group games, yes we had 3 clean sheets, but we conceded decent chances, that I reckon a better class of opposition would score from.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2021 22:39:56 GMT
going to have to disagree with the suggestion that 'none of our back 4 look comfortable on the ball' > the exact opposite is the case (unless Mings is playing) not playing the positive pass (quickly) is a different matter, they are capable of it & do it for their clubs regular & have done it for England before- last time out Shaw was very positive (Walker still too negative) whilst both Maguire &b Stones drove forward (second half anyway) with the ball the extra cautiousness we've seen so far isn't set in stone, would expect the management to instruct the team to get the ball quicker to the forwards for this game, don't doubt it what happens later when we play France, Belgium, Italy or even Holland is another matter would anticipate the caution to come right back in Yeah well it will all come out in the wash.......it just seems to me that whenever any of the back 4 get the ball its a case of "fuck that you have it", "no I dont want it, you have it", "no fuck off I aint havin it - there you go"", "shiiiit there you go "...... they just seem so nervous to me. I agree that the manager will instill a bit of "dare to be brave" attitude and positive thinking in the lead up and the day of the game. ( You wtach now, we'll go and wallop them 5-1 like we did in 2001 and Stones will bag a brace) And remember, when we walloped them 5-1 Germany still qualified and reached the final.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 22:47:16 GMT
Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses 2 goals in 3 games scored, I reckon there is a good chance we will have to score at least 2 in this game. I can't see us keeping a clean sheet. Another worry is that in the 3 group games, yes we had 3 clean sheets, but we conceded decent chances, that I reckon a better class of opposition would score from. Germany have scored goals to be fair despite conceding a few. Some cracking games in the next round r. Netherlands and Denmark certainly been most entertaining for me, Italy the best set up and capable of beating anyone. one of 5 or 6 could realistically win it.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 25, 2021 10:01:44 GMT
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 25, 2021 12:19:46 GMT
Tough game to predict ! 50-50 for me but the winner will advance directly to semi-final.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 25, 2021 13:01:23 GMT
As much as I would.like to see us get past Germany (and I strongly believe that we have the squad to do that) based on the current managerial style of trying to play out for a 1 nil win will see us watching from the sidelines along side our Scottish friends come Late Tuesday evening.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 25, 2021 13:30:34 GMT
In my mind every game is fifty fifty, no cockiness, no inferiority complex.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2021 13:38:10 GMT
Tough game to predict ! 50-50 for me but the winner will advance directly to semi-final. Long time no see, good to have you back
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 25, 2021 14:26:17 GMT
Tough game to predict ! 50-50 for me but the winner will advance directly to semi-final. Long time no see, good to have you back Thank you I always check the news here every few weeks but obviously there is no will from the management board in Stoke to come back to the EPL. Looks like Coates family lost the desire in football suddenly for no apparent reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 14:55:04 GMT
Tough game to predict ! 50-50 for me but the winner will advance directly to semi-final. really? Wouldn't go that far. I'm sure Sweden for example will be equally happy and confident if they get through
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2021 15:04:18 GMT
Tough game to predict ! 50-50 for me but the winner will advance directly to semi-final. really? Wouldn't go that far. I'm sure Sweden for example will be equally happy and confident if they get through Is this Sweden team vastly superior to the one England brushed aside with a minimum of fuss at the World Cup?
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Post by stokefc on Jun 25, 2021 15:22:16 GMT
really? Wouldn't go that far. I'm sure Sweden for example will be equally happy and confident if they get through Is this Sweden team vastly superior to the one England brushed aside with a minimum of fuss at the World Cup? nah he just being obtuse I've always wanted to say that i'll sleep well tonight
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Post by femark on Jun 25, 2021 15:22:41 GMT
Grealish was creative,and we have hit the post 3 times with very good chances, so those two statements are off the mark. Yes we have been well below our best, but your constant down putting of our national side is really tiresome mate. I'm not too sure exactly what it is that you don't like about the English football team but you come across like you have a real dislike for us for some reason. Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%).
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Post by fca47 on Jun 25, 2021 15:27:01 GMT
Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%). But he's won more of the games that actually matter.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 15:49:54 GMT
It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%). But he's won more of the games that actually matter. The games won percentage is very misleading in international football. Never had it been so uncompetitive. When the commentator said the other night that Italy hadn’t lost for 30 games I was amazed at first but then thought probably 25 of them were against poor opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 15:57:45 GMT
It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%). But he's won more of the games that actually matter. absolutely. You can win friendlies in easy qualifying groups but it's where it matters. World Cup Winner, Euro runner up ,semi finalist not bad. In England a manager hailed as a national hero 30 plus years later for losing a semi final, that's the difference between England and Germany
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Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2021 16:08:35 GMT
It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%). But he's won more of the games that actually matter. not lately reminds me of Wenger, top manager who loses touch with what's going on & ends up a parody of their previous selves Germany will improve again for the World Cup qualifiers but right now they a juicy plum ripe to be picked
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Post by klingon on Jun 25, 2021 16:21:23 GMT
Letter to the Guardian suggests England have a massive advantage in that Germany will play another gruelling game two days later whereas England can just sit back and take it easy........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 16:47:10 GMT
Are we allowed to have Matt le tissier , Alan shearer and Danny Murphy on the bench , to come on for the last minute of extra time ?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 16:57:07 GMT
Are we allowed to have Matt le tissier , Alan shearer and Danny Murphy on the bench , to come on for the last minute of extra time ? There will be loads of “have you been practising penalties in training” questions in the build up. To which Gareth will reply “we always practice penalties in training but you can’t replicate a match situation”. He needs to get Eileen Drury in sharpish👀
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 16:58:50 GMT
Letter to the Guardian suggests England have a massive advantage in that Germany will play another gruelling game two days later whereas England can just sit back and take it easy........ I wouldn’t have bothered writing a letter to the guardian mate, they’re far too busy reporting issues nobody cares about....
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Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2021 17:09:42 GMT
Are we allowed to have Matt le tissier , Alan shearer and Danny Murphy on the bench , to come on for the last minute of extra time ? There will be loads of “have you been practising penalties in training” questions in the build up. To which Gareth will reply “we always practice penalties in training but you can’t replicate a match situation”. He needs to get Eileen Drury in sharpish👀 at the last world cup England practised penalties so much the penalty spot was repeatedly worn out on the training pitches, that's a lot of practice Southgate is the bang on with absolutely everything off the pitch, imho best England manager in terms or preparation & dealing with off field bollocks (e.g how we ended the endless bullshit re how should be the captain) Pickford, in part, is the England keeper precisely because he's better at penalty saving than other keepers
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Post by musik on Jun 25, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
really? Wouldn't go that far. I'm sure Sweden for example will be equally happy and confident if they get through Is this Sweden team vastly superior to the one England brushed aside with a minimum of fuss at the World Cup? Will you possibly play 3-1-4-2 again?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 17:23:35 GMT
There will be loads of “have you been practising penalties in training” questions in the build up. To which Gareth will reply “we always practice penalties in training but you can’t replicate a match situation”. He needs to get Eileen Drury in sharpish👀 at the last world cup England practised penalties so much the penalty spot was repeatedly worn out on the training pitches, that's a lot of practice Southgate is the bang on with absolutely everything off the pitch, imho best England manager in terms or preparation & dealing with off field bollocks (e.g how we ended the endless bullshit re how should be the captain) Pickford, in part, is the England keeper precisely because he's better at penalty saving than other keepers I don’t really get it. Practising penalties I mean. It’s all about bottle in a shoot out rather than technique. For example, if Sterling stepped up I wouldn’t be confident at all. But Kane despite looking awful, I would be confident
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2021 17:31:10 GMT
Letter to the Guardian suggests England have a massive advantage in that Germany will play another gruelling game two days later whereas England can just sit back and take it easy........ Typical Grauniad
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2021 17:32:37 GMT
Scored 2 goals in 3 games, they're the facts. No dislike, I think the prob is that if you don't buy into all the hype and face facts you get upset . Ukraine won't win it either. There you go. I just don't go with this false hope that England will win it and they won't. Just the way it is. Be very naive to think that team can compete with the best in Europe with Southgate in charge. Maybe just not blinkered and sorry if the truth gets your back up . hope they do but be a massive shock. Maybe I just don't have the rose very very tinted glasses It's a very negative viewpoint if you think we can't beat this German side. One of the worst German sides for a good while and I'd pick many of our players over theirs. Coincidentally Southgate and Low have got the exact same international win percentage (63%). Well unlike Southgate as least Löw has a set of bollocks to sniff
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 17:39:15 GMT
Tell you what really irritates me. Ok I’ll tell you. When the commentators keep looking for an excuse to pronounce Yogi Love, not a bad porn star name mind
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2021 17:48:20 GMT
Is this Sweden team vastly superior to the one England brushed aside with a minimum of fuss at the World Cup? Will you possibly play 3-1-4-2 again? Probably not.
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